except for that pesky 15-7 drubbing of Pitt by Penn State....................
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That’s true - they sure did beat up that first year program :/
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Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 12:59 pm
That’s true - they sure did beat up that first year program :/
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Does it matter that it was a first year program? You said the last 5 of the ACC would beat up the Big10 last 5. I was jus pointing out head to head that did not happen.Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 12:59 pm
That’s true - they sure did beat up that first year program :/
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Type below the last bracket backslash quote bracket for separated quotesLaxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 12:45 pmYes ^ you said it for me “UNC has had a tougher schedule than MD” all I am saying is that yes Morenos numbers are less than MD goalie but you have to take into consideration the teams and players they are up against . After NU big drop off .hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:56 amSure, UNC has had a tougher schedule than MD this year. I don't think that is in question. But to say MD hasn't played even a fraction of the tough teams Carolina has is an exaggeration.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:47 amI don’t care about the numbers. They’re all skewed in one way or another anyway. If we’re all being honest, we know that Maryland has had a weaker schedule this year – and that by design. As I said, we’ll see how they do from the Big 10 championship into the later rounds of the big dance.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:28 amNot even a fraction? Not a huge difference in SOS. Outside of BC, and maybe Syracuse with all their injuries, none of the ACC teams are markedly better than most of the Big Ten. There is no Louisville, Pitt or Va Tech in the Big Ten. The worst team in the Big Ten has an RPI of 24. Va Tech is at 34, Louisville is 42 and Pitt is 49. The worst team in the Big Ten beat JMU this year and beat Pitt 15-7.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:20 amWell said, Laxfan. That’s why numbers in and of themselves mean Jimmy Jack squat. Maryland hasn’t played even a fraction of the tough teams Carolina has. We’ll see how Sterling and the rest of the turtles do from the Big 10 finals and on into the teeth of the later rounds in the Big Rodeo. Until then, they’re numbers with an asterisk.Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:21 amBig10 is not the ACC so there’s a difference in competition . Not saying that to be arrogant ….but Maryland basically has one “tough” team to play and played them once . Moreno has already had to play the ACC gauntlet and played a few of those teams twice.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:13 amAre we just ignoring the fact that Sterling has been better than Moreno this year? She has a 63% save percentage in Big Ten play and leads the nation in Save % and GAALax101 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:38 pm Correct - Sterling over Moreno because they don't want 3 UNC players. There is always a defender and/or goalie and I just don't think there is a clear defender to pick. Think it is good to have a middie and AM is the logical choice based on her impact on both ends of field and on the draw - even if subbed sometimes by Aldave. She still has 100+ DC's.
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Lol nope it doesn’t matter . You got me there .Bart wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:10 pmDoes it matter that it was a first year program? You said the last 5 of the ACC would beat up the Big10 last 5. I was jus pointing out head to head that did not happen.Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 12:59 pm
That’s true - they sure did beat up that first year program :/
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You never asked me for the fractionhmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:56 amSure, UNC has had a tougher schedule than MD this year. I don't think that is in question. But to say MD hasn't played even a fraction of the tough teams Carolina has is an exaggeration.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:47 amI don’t care about the numbers. They’re all skewed in one way or another anyway. If we’re all being honest, we know that Maryland has had a weaker schedule this year – and that by design. As I said, we’ll see how they do from the Big 10 championship into the later rounds of the big dance.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:28 amNot even a fraction? Not a huge difference in SOS. Outside of BC, and maybe Syracuse with all their injuries, none of the ACC teams are markedly better than most of the Big Ten. There is no Louisville, Pitt or Va Tech in the Big Ten. The worst team in the Big Ten has an RPI of 24. Va Tech is at 34, Louisville is 42 and Pitt is 49. The worst team in the Big Ten beat JMU this year and beat Pitt 15-7.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:20 amWell said, Laxfan. That’s why numbers in and of themselves mean Jimmy Jack squat. Maryland hasn’t played even a fraction of the tough teams Carolina has. We’ll see how Sterling and the rest of the turtles do from the Big 10 finals and on into the teeth of the later rounds in the Big Rodeo. Until then, they’re numbers with an asterisk.Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:21 amBig10 is not the ACC so there’s a difference in competition . Not saying that to be arrogant ….but Maryland basically has one “tough” team to play and played them once . Moreno has already had to play the ACC gauntlet and played a few of those teams twice.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:13 amAre we just ignoring the fact that Sterling has been better than Moreno this year? She has a 63% save percentage in Big Ten play and leads the nation in Save % and GAALax101 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:38 pm Correct - Sterling over Moreno because they don't want 3 UNC players. There is always a defender and/or goalie and I just don't think there is a clear defender to pick. Think it is good to have a middie and AM is the logical choice based on her impact on both ends of field and on the draw - even if subbed sometimes by Aldave. She still has 100+ DC's.
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Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 12:45 pmOk. So let's only look at the games against common opponents.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:56 amSure, UNC has had a tougher schedule than MD this year. I don't think that is in question. But to say MD hasn't played even a fraction of the tough teams Carolina has is an exaggeration.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:47 amI don’t care about the numbers. They’re all skewed in one way or another anyway. If we’re all being honest, we know that Maryland has had a weaker schedule this year – and that by design. As I said, we’ll see how they do from the Big 10 championship into the later rounds of the big dance.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:28 amNot even a fraction? Not a huge difference in SOS. Outside of BC, and maybe Syracuse with all their injuries, none of the ACC teams are markedly better than most of the Big Ten. There is no Louisville, Pitt or Va Tech in the Big Ten. The worst team in the Big Ten has an RPI of 24. Va Tech is at 34, Louisville is 42 and Pitt is 49. The worst team in the Big Ten beat JMU this year and beat Pitt 15-7.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:20 amWell said, Laxfan. That’s why numbers in and of themselves mean Jimmy Jack squat. Maryland hasn’t played even a fraction of the tough teams Carolina has. We’ll see how Sterling and the rest of the turtles do from the Big 10 finals and on into the teeth of the later rounds in the Big Rodeo. Until then, they’re numbers with an asterisk.Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:21 amBig10 is not the ACC so there’s a difference in competition . Not saying that to be arrogant ….but Maryland basically has one “tough” team to play and played them once . Moreno has already had to play the ACC gauntlet and played a few of those teams twice.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 9:13 amAre we just ignoring the fact that Sterling has been better than Moreno this year? She has a 63% save percentage in Big Ten play and leads the nation in Save % and GAALax101 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:38 pm Correct - Sterling over Moreno because they don't want 3 UNC players. There is always a defender and/or goalie and I just don't think there is a clear defender to pick. Think it is good to have a middie and AM is the logical choice based on her impact on both ends of field and on the draw - even if subbed sometimes by Aldave. She still has 100+ DC's.
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Yes ^ you said it for me “UNC has had a tougher schedule than MD” all I am saying is that yes Morenos numbers are less than MD goalie but you have to take into consideration the teams and players they are up against . After NU big drop off .
JMU:
Sterling - 8 Saves 9 GA 47%
Moreno - 4 Saves 8 GA 33%
Florida:
Sterling - 7 Saves 8 GA 47%
Moreno - 8 Saves 11 GA 42%
Northwestern:
Sterling - 16 Saves 9 GA 64%
Moreno - 11 Saves 9 GA 55%
UVA:
Sterling - 3 Saves 9 GA 25%
Moreno - 9 Saves 7 GA 56%
Totals:
Sterling - 34 Saves 35 GA 49.3%
Moreno - 32 Saves 35 GA 47.8%
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Incomplete comparison. Maryland hasn’t played Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Notre Dame...hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:45 pm Ok. So let's only look at the games against common opponents.
JMU:
Sterling - 8 Saves 9 GA 47%
Moreno - 4 Saves 8 GA 33%
UVA:
Sterling - 7 Saves 8 GA 47%
Moreno - 8 Saves 11 GA 42%
Northwestern:
Sterling - 16 Saves 9 GA 64%
Moreno - 11 Saves 9 GA 55%
UVA:
Sterling - 3 Saves 9 GA 25%
Moreno - 9 Saves 7 GA 56%
Totals:
Sterling - 34 Saves 35 GA 49.3%
Moreno - 32 Saves 35 GA 47.8%
(One of the above comparison games is Gainesville State, I’m guessing.)
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Yes my mistake. The second game is Florida. So by what metrics has Moreno had a better season than Sterling? If you're not a first team All-American should you be a Tewaaraton finalist?OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 2:29 pmIncomplete comparison. Maryland hasn’t played Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Notre Dame...hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:45 pm Ok. So let's only look at the games against common opponents.
JMU:
Sterling - 8 Saves 9 GA 47%
Moreno - 4 Saves 8 GA 33%
Florida:
Sterling - 7 Saves 8 GA 47%
Moreno - 8 Saves 11 GA 42%
Northwestern:
Sterling - 16 Saves 9 GA 64%
Moreno - 11 Saves 9 GA 55%
UVA:
Sterling - 3 Saves 9 GA 25%
Moreno - 9 Saves 7 GA 56%
Totals:
Sterling - 34 Saves 35 GA 49.3%
Moreno - 32 Saves 35 GA 47.8%
(One of the above comparison games is Gainesville State, I’m guessing.)
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She’s played superior competition. It’s that simple. The AA designation means nothing. Just someone’s opinion.hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 2:40 pmYes my mistake. The second game is Florida. So by what metrics has Moreno had a better season than Sterling? If you're not a first team All-American should you be a Tewaaraton finalist?OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 2:29 pmIncomplete comparison. Maryland hasn’t played Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Notre Dame...hmmm wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:45 pm Ok. So let's only look at the games against common opponents.
JMU:
Sterling - 8 Saves 9 GA 47%
Moreno - 4 Saves 8 GA 33%
Florida:
Sterling - 7 Saves 8 GA 47%
Moreno - 8 Saves 11 GA 42%
Northwestern:
Sterling - 16 Saves 9 GA 64%
Moreno - 11 Saves 9 GA 55%
UVA:
Sterling - 3 Saves 9 GA 25%
Moreno - 9 Saves 7 GA 56%
Totals:
Sterling - 34 Saves 35 GA 49.3%
Moreno - 32 Saves 35 GA 47.8%
(One of the above comparison games is Gainesville State, I’m guessing.)
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List to be released today or tomorrow . All reg season games played - so who is your top 5 deserving of the Tewaarton Award?
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Just going off of Lax101’s list - think Cordingly has a very strong case as a finalist. I don’t know how much consideration the committee puts in to factors like leading a team after there are injuries to other integral players (which would help Tyrrell’s case). I think North’s DCs give her enough of an edge to earn the nod. Moreno vs Sterling is also an interesting debate because sterling has the higher save percentage but UNC had the tougher SOS. So it again depends on how much the committee looks at factors beyond individual statistics. Ortega yes, Mastroianni probably. Idk if I’m misremembering past races but this year seems the tightest it’s been in a while. Definitely don’t envy the committee
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I think we can all agree that the final 5 should be Ortega, Growney, Wartzburger, Trenchard, and Moreno.[/unc fans]
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My thoughts:wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 11:08 amJust going off of Lax101’s list - think Cordingly has a very strong case as a finalist. I don’t know how much consideration the committee puts in to factors like leading a team after there are injuries to other integral players (which would help Tyrrell’s case). I think North’s DCs give her enough of an edge to earn the nod. Moreno vs Sterling is also an interesting debate because sterling has the higher save percentage but UNC had the tougher SOS. So it again depends on how much the committee looks at factors beyond individual statistics. Ortega yes, Mastroianni probably. Idk if I’m misremembering past races but this year seems the tightest it’s been in a while. Definitely don’t envy the committee
North
Ortega
Mastro
Cordingly
Sterling
Not sure what Tyrell has done to earn Tewaarton finalist status ? I mean good player puts up a lot of points . But a lot of kids do that …does she make others around her better ? I don’t know - they hve lost 5 games I dont feel that helps her case .
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That’s a pretty solid list. And yeah, I agree with you on Tyrrell, just not ruling out the fact that the committee’s selection process is obscure haha.Laxfan500 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:05 pmMy thoughts:wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 11:08 amJust going off of Lax101’s list - think Cordingly has a very strong case as a finalist. I don’t know how much consideration the committee puts in to factors like leading a team after there are injuries to other integral players (which would help Tyrrell’s case). I think North’s DCs give her enough of an edge to earn the nod. Moreno vs Sterling is also an interesting debate because sterling has the higher save percentage but UNC had the tougher SOS. So it again depends on how much the committee looks at factors beyond individual statistics. Ortega yes, Mastroianni probably. Idk if I’m misremembering past races but this year seems the tightest it’s been in a while. Definitely don’t envy the committee
North
Ortega
Mastro
Cordingly
Sterling
Not sure what Tyrell has done to earn Tewaarton finalist status ? I mean good player puts up a lot of points . But a lot of kids do that …does she make others around her better ? I don’t know - they hve lost 5 games I dont feel that helps her case .
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I guess that's funny to UNC fans, but to me...total nightmare. I lost respect for the Women's side of the T-Award many years ago, but then Meghan Taylor won it and I thought "maybe there's hope". If Cordingley's name is not on the list, it's bogus. And I can make a strong case for Stanford's Ashley Humphrey, who in 18 games has 120 total points(36 goals, 84 assists), that makes her one of the premier attackers in D1.
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Unfortunately Humphrey wasn’t on the list of 25 nominees so I don’t think she has a case to make. Almost positive she’ll make the list next year, thoughLarryGamLax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:24 pm
I guess that's funny to UNC fans, but to me...total nightmare. I lost respect for the Women's side of the T-Award many years ago, but then Meghan Taylor won it and I thought "maybe there's hope". If Cordingley's name is not on the list, it's bogus. And I can make a strong case for Stanford's Ashley Humphrey, who in 18 games has 120 total points(36 goals, 84 assists), that makes her one of the premier attackers in D1.
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Just announced:
Mastroianni
Cordingly
Tyrrell
North
Ortega
Mastroianni
Cordingly
Tyrrell
North
Ortega