Ivy League 2022
Re: Ivy League 2022
Yes, we need Georgetown, Jacksonville, and Duke to win.
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After his 2nd post, the word "troll" came to mind.CU77 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:48 pmThank you, you seem to be the only one who's figured it out. (And glad to see you're still around! )
GSP's post fooled me too, until I looked at his past posts:
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Re: Ivy League 2022
Wait, you never heard of me? I played QB for the NY JETS after being drafted #1 out of Alabama in the 60's and 70's. I threw to guys named Sauer an Maynard. Then I Matriculated to Ithaca.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:35 pmYOUR top25? WOW! Not only did I fail to realize you published a top25, but I never even heard of who you.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:09 pmWow, please avoid looking at my new top25 when it comes out.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Unless, that is, you are that guy who invented that "Willie and the Hand Jive" dance back in the 60's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeeGMpM_Nk
If that is the case, I stand corrected. I will, never the less, "avoid looking at your top25," as you request, "when it comes out."
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Re: Ivy League 2022
If Jacksonville doesn't win the SoCon they are definitely out. They're a nice story but their resume isn't nearly as strong as many think it is. Wins over Duke, Denver, and Richmond are solid, but not in the realm of Brown (Yale/Penn/Cornell) and Cornells' (Yale/Princeton/OSU/Harvard), and those losses to Hopkins and Utah aren't great either.
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LOLjoewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 7:02 amWait, you never heard of me? I played QB for the NY JETS after being drafted #1 out of Alabama in the 60's and 70's. I threw to guys named Sauer an Maynard. Then I Matriculated to Ithaca.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:35 pmYOUR top25? WOW! Not only did I fail to realize you published a top25, but I never even heard of who you.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:09 pmWow, please avoid looking at my new top25 when it comes out.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Joewillie78
Unless, that is, you are that guy who invented that "Willie and the Hand Jive" dance back in the 60's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeeGMpM_Nk
If that is the case, I stand corrected. I will, never the less, "avoid looking at your top25," as you request, "when it comes out."
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Re: Ivy League 2022
IMO Princ , Yale and PENN are definitely in the NCAA tournament . Brown and Cornell only in if they win the ILT .
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Regarding Brown's early season loss to UNC as some sort of "Ivys aren't good/athletic enough" argument...it was their 2nd game of the year, and third game in...two years? It was UNC's 6th game of the season, and at home? Game was tied with a few minutes to go? I'll throw it out there, I think Brown would roll UNC right now. Brown laid a couple eggs early season but are peaking at the right time.
Also, when UNC won in 2016, they had early season losses to UMass and Hofstra.
Also, when UNC won in 2016, they had early season losses to UMass and Hofstra.
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Non Ivy people forget that the Ivies aren't allowed to practice until February 1st, while everyone else starts on January 1st. Huge difference.middleAgedBear wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:31 am Regarding Brown's early season loss to UNC as some sort of "Ivys aren't good/athletic enough" argument...it was their 2nd game of the year, and third game in...two years? It was UNC's 6th game of the season, and at home? Game was tied with a few minutes to go? I'll throw it out there, I think Brown would roll UNC right now. Brown laid a couple eggs early season but are peaking at the right time.
Also, when UNC won in 2016, they had early season losses to UMass and Hofstra.
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With Cornell’s RPI now at 6, I still see it hard to imagine them not making it even with a loss to Yale, which itself would not be an RPI killer, unless Georgetown doesn’t win the Big East. And certainly a Cornell win over Yale would put them in regardless of what happens in the final.
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The picture is pretty straightforward at this time (even Quint is admitting it!). Let’s assume Maryland, Georgetown, and Yale (highest RPI ivy) win their AQs. Then Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Rutgers, and OSU are locks for at-large berths. That leaves two at large spots.
They will be chosen from Duke, Virginia, Harvard, and probably Notre Dame. At this point, Virginia is almost sure to get one of them, and it’s a toss-up between ND, Duke, and Harvard for the other one. They are really close in terms of RPI, SoS, and quality wins.
Pretty much the only teams that can steal a spot are Hopkins (win the B1G), or any team winning the Big East tournament besides Georgetown. The crazy thing is, if both scenarios happen, UVa will not make the tournament!
They will be chosen from Duke, Virginia, Harvard, and probably Notre Dame. At this point, Virginia is almost sure to get one of them, and it’s a toss-up between ND, Duke, and Harvard for the other one. They are really close in terms of RPI, SoS, and quality wins.
Pretty much the only teams that can steal a spot are Hopkins (win the B1G), or any team winning the Big East tournament besides Georgetown. The crazy thing is, if both scenarios happen, UVa will not make the tournament!
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Same with a Brown win over Penn.laxjuris wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:42 amWith Cornell’s RPI now at 6, I still see it hard to imagine them not making it even with a loss to Yale, which itself would not be an RPI killer, unless Georgetown doesn’t win the Big East. And certainly a Cornell win over Yale would put them in regardless of what happens in the final.
I don't think either Cornell or Brown need to win the ILT to make the tourney; hell, they both have the resume for it now. But given the usual selection committee shenanigans, I don't think either should feel safe if they lose that first game.
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Re: Ivy League 2022
I'm not so sure Virginia is a lock.....Out of these 4 teams, which do you put in?MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:57 am The picture is pretty straightforward at this time (even Quint is admitting it!). Let’s assume Maryland, Georgetown, and Yale (highest RPI ivy) win their AQs. Then Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Rutgers, and OSU are locks for at-large berths. That leaves two at large spots.
They will be chosen from Duke, Virginia, Harvard, and probably Notre Dame. At this point, Virginia is almost sure to get one of them, and it’s a toss-up between ND, Duke, and Harvard for the other one. They are really close in terms of RPI, SoS, and quality wins.
Pretty much the only teams that can steal a spot are Hopkins (win the B1G), or any team winning the Big East tournament besides Georgetown. The crazy thing is, if both scenarios happen, UVa will not make the tournament!
Team SOS vs1-5 vs 6-10 vs 11-20 vs 21+
1 21 0-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
2 17 0-1 0-1 4-1 7-0
3 13 0-1 1-0 4-1 6-3
4 15 1-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
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#4 based on a top5 win.drunkmonkey30 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:25 amI'm not so sure Virginia is a lock.....Out of these 4 teams, which do you put in?MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:57 am The picture is pretty straightforward at this time (even Quint is admitting it!). Let’s assume Maryland, Georgetown, and Yale (highest RPI ivy) win their AQs. Then Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Rutgers, and OSU are locks for at-large berths. That leaves two at large spots.
They will be chosen from Duke, Virginia, Harvard, and probably Notre Dame. At this point, Virginia is almost sure to get one of them, and it’s a toss-up between ND, Duke, and Harvard for the other one. They are really close in terms of RPI, SoS, and quality wins.
Pretty much the only teams that can steal a spot are Hopkins (win the B1G), or any team winning the Big East tournament besides Georgetown. The crazy thing is, if both scenarios happen, UVa will not make the tournament!
Team SOS vs1-5 vs 6-10 vs 11-20 vs 21+
1 21 0-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
2 17 0-1 0-1 4-1 7-0
3 13 0-1 1-0 4-1 6-3
4 15 1-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
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Re: Ivy League 2022
agree on #4. Shoulda said to pick 2joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:35 am#4 based on a top5 win.drunkmonkey30 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:25 amI'm not so sure Virginia is a lock.....Out of these 4 teams, which do you put in?MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:57 am The picture is pretty straightforward at this time (even Quint is admitting it!). Let’s assume Maryland, Georgetown, and Yale (highest RPI ivy) win their AQs. Then Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Rutgers, and OSU are locks for at-large berths. That leaves two at large spots.
They will be chosen from Duke, Virginia, Harvard, and probably Notre Dame. At this point, Virginia is almost sure to get one of them, and it’s a toss-up between ND, Duke, and Harvard for the other one. They are really close in terms of RPI, SoS, and quality wins.
Pretty much the only teams that can steal a spot are Hopkins (win the B1G), or any team winning the Big East tournament besides Georgetown. The crazy thing is, if both scenarios happen, UVa will not make the tournament!
Team SOS vs1-5 vs 6-10 vs 11-20 vs 21+
1 21 0-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
2 17 0-1 0-1 4-1 7-0
3 13 0-1 1-0 4-1 6-3
4 15 1-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
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Given the way Carolina has played down the stretch, I highly doubt they would beat Brown in a rematch (and possibly not any of the other top six Ivy teams) if they played at this point in the season.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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UVA is in.drunkmonkey30 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:25 amI'm not so sure Virginia is a lock.....Out of these 4 teams, which do you put in?MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:57 am The picture is pretty straightforward at this time (even Quint is admitting it!). Let’s assume Maryland, Georgetown, and Yale (highest RPI ivy) win their AQs. Then Princeton, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Rutgers, and OSU are locks for at-large berths. That leaves two at large spots.
They will be chosen from Duke, Virginia, Harvard, and probably Notre Dame. At this point, Virginia is almost sure to get one of them, and it’s a toss-up between ND, Duke, and Harvard for the other one. They are really close in terms of RPI, SoS, and quality wins.
Pretty much the only teams that can steal a spot are Hopkins (win the B1G), or any team winning the Big East tournament besides Georgetown. The crazy thing is, if both scenarios happen, UVa will not make the tournament!
Team SOS vs1-5 vs 6-10 vs 11-20 vs 21+
1 21 0-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
2 17 0-1 0-1 4-1 7-0
3 13 0-1 1-0 4-1 6-3
4 15 1-2 1-1 1-1 5-0
Just they’re not getting seeded.
That getting crushed by Duke hurt.
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Fun Fact #1: Duke is 1-4 against the Ivies since 2018. Fun Fact #2: Colgate has as many Tewaaraton Award winners over the past ten years as all of the ACC combined. Fun Fact #3: Chris Gray would have a better chance of playing in the post season if he had remained at BU. #karmaGSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
If Brown loses to Penn Friday and gets left out of the NCAA tournament, hats off to the Balto/ACC mafia for once again moving the goalposts. I don't have time to research this, but has there ever been a team ranked #5 in the media poll which gets left out of the big dance due to a loss to the #4 RPI team in the last game of the season? I doubt that has ever happened and hope that it won't happen this year. Even Coach Daly has said in a recent podcast that the regional advisory committees are going to apply an "eye test." That makes me very, very nervous.
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isn't the media poll an eye test?Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 10:23 amFun Fact #1: Duke is 1-4 against the Ivies since 2018. Fun Fact #2: Colgate has as many Tewaaraton Award winners over the past ten years as all of the ACC combined. Fun Fact #3: Chris Gray would have a better chance of playing in the post season if he had remained at BU. #karmaGSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
If Brown loses to Penn Friday and gets left out of the NCAA tournament, hats off to the Balto/ACC mafia for once again moving the goalposts. I don't have time to research this, but has there ever been a team ranked #5 in the media poll which gets left out of the big dance due to a loss to the #4 RPI team in the last game of the season? I doubt that has ever happened and hope that it won't happen this year. Even Coach Daly has said in a recent podcast that the regional advisory committees are going to apply an "eye test." That makes me very, very nervous.
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Brown is likely the only Ivy who would benefit from an "eye test" criteria.....as long as the "eye test" doesn't = preseason AA's or InsideLacrosse 5* recruits.Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 10:23 am If Brown loses to Penn Friday and gets left out of the NCAA tournament, hats off to the Balto/ACC mafia for once again moving the goalposts. I don't have time to research this, but has there ever been a team ranked #5 in the media poll which gets left out of the big dance due to a loss to the #4 RPI team in the last game of the season? I doubt that has ever happened and hope that it won't happen this year. Even Coach Daly has said in a recent podcast that the regional advisory committees are going to apply an "eye test." That makes me very, very nervous.