Ivy League 2022
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Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be pissed, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Comparisons with OSU, Duke, ND; those 3 and Harvard are likely competing for the last 2 ALs (with the first 6 going to Rutgers, Virginia, and 4 Ivies).
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Head-to-head against OSU could be one factor. Though it’s looking like OSU is the clearcut best bubble team, so probably comes down to Harvard vs. Duke or ND. Interestingly, LaxNumbers has Harvard having a 56% chance of making the tournament. Their quality wins are clearly better than either Duke or ND.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:47 pmwhat's likely to push Harvard out?Chousnake wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:43 pmThat is current.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:36 pm Current RPI correct?
https://lacrossereference.com/stats/rpi-d1-men/
I can see a couple of scenarios, but seems to me there's also someone which, at least if the NCAA follows what they've said, Harvard slips in.
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Possible.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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No way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Agreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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With Brown having the League's newest lacrosse venue, Bruno is doubly deserving of hosting this year's ILT.
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As Connor Theriault goes, so goes Brown. If he's 60-65% in saves, Brown wins. I wonder if, with more film, to opponents, if he'll be targeted... Or if he simply has cat-like reflexes that can't be predicted effectively.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:52 pmThis is a good point, didn’t occur to me. Tough to beat a team twice, especially when all four are so close to each other.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 3:47 pm Brown's 3-0 against the field, so the emotional incentive is with the field.
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Watching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_lawGSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Wow, please avoid looking at my new top25 when it comes out.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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.... Maybe... this is an unusual year for the Ivies. Eligibility requirements have been relaxed due to the Covid Pandemic, and there are fifth years, and (I think) that there might older players competing in the Ivies for the next few years as the Covid issues cycle through the system. It would be interesting to see a Brown vs UNC rematch at this point in the season. Looking at Yale and Brown, I'm not sure that your argument about teams managing late season "peaking" is exclusively an ACC attribute.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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YOUR top25? WOW! Not only did I fail to realize you published a top25, but I never even heard of who you.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:09 pmWow, please avoid looking at my new top25 when it comes out.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Joewillie78
Unless, that is, you are that guy who invented that "Willie and the Hand Jive" dance back in the 60's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEeeGMpM_Nk
If that is the case, I stand corrected. I will, never the less, "avoid looking at your top25," as you request, "when it comes out."
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YOUR top25? WOW! Not only did I fail to realize you published a top25, but I never even heard of you.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:09 pmWow, please avoid looking at my new top25 when it comes out.GSP wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 7:36 pmWatching the UNC /Duke game (the 3rd and 4th best ACC teams). Either of these teams would beat any of the IVY League squads 7 or 8 times out of 10 games. Quality simply, not even close athletically and skill wise. RPI is just catnip bait for the Jock-Sniffing denizens glued to their computers playing fantasy lax and fantasy football. UNC has already bounced Brown 14 to 11 and that was early in the year. ACC Teams are built to peak at Tourney time. No wonder you guys are begging to pack the bracket with 6 IVY League squads and not just your own school's team. Anything to avoid having to get exposed by those ACC teams. Full disclosure- I am an alum of the Wharton Grad School and a Penn Lax fan and will tell you that Penn would lose to any ACC team except possibly 'Cuse.nms wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:20 pmAgreed. Any 'eye test' that would be used to favor the also-ran ACC teams would have to look even more favorably at Brown.MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 5:05 pmNo way Brown gets left out. Too many top 5 and top 10 wins. They are the Ivy League analog of previous seasons where an ACC team started slow, but got rolling late and did some damage in the NCAA’s.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
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Joewillie78
Unless, that is, you are that guy who invented that "Willie and the Hand Jive" dance back in the 60's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvOuTInrue0
If that is the case, I stand corrected. I will, however, at your request, "avoid looking at your new top25."
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GSP coming in hot with the trolling. If you aren’t familiar, this site has a its own rankings, and there are a number of posters here like JW who contribute. He is kind enough to share his list each Sunday evening. It might be too late for this year but you can also contribute and add all of the ACC teams you would like to your own personal ranking. And to be clear, I prefer my rankings to be based on quality wins (which the ACC is lacking) over “eye tests”.
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The Ivies and the Patriot League have been generous contributors to ACC and B1G talent over the past few years...
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GSP, way to cut down RPI when the ACC is below norm vs the Ivies and the Big 10. Yes, you are right, it's all about the better more skilled (then underachieving) athletes in the ACC (one team in the top ten by most polls) and the 5th year seniors in the Ivies (no matter the freshmen). Luckily, none of the Ivies will be facing 'also-ran' ACC teams, since most of them will be watching on the tely. I would say your eye test hasn't fairly evaluated Brown and its goalie in the last month. ILT is on Friday and Sunday if you want to watch some top-notch lacrosse.
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Thank you, you seem to be the only one who's figured it out. (And glad to see you're still around! )
GSP's post fooled me too, until I looked at his past posts:
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I'd prefer a reprise from the rapper on the Dartmouth thread....
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I think both Brown and Cornell need to worry if they lose in the first round, especially if there are any upsets in conference tourneys (eg: Georgetown; Jacksonville).bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 4:54 pm Brown's best OOC win is... Villanova? Vermont? Bryant? Pr, P, C, Y, H all have better OOC wins. I think H is out solely because at least one of the usual suspects will get in deserving or no, but if Brown loses Friday I can imagine only the other 3 tourney teams + Pr getting bids. I'll be ticked, but I'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario/committee reasoning for not getting 5 teams.
Their resumes are rock solid, but I don't trust the committee not to sacrifice one of the two if things get tight.