holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:58 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:42 pm
All this spin on both sides. Left is appalled that immigrants are being split from families and sent home. Right is appalled that states are providing sanctuary to obvious law breakers.
Meanwhile nothing has improved and no changes have occurred. Anywhere. The US remains an open border free for all, with infrastructure, schools and programs being sopped dry by non citizens. In the meantime the deficits grows exponentially.
Immigrants are the lifeblood of this country and needed. But the system needs to be fixed ASAP. The country can’t continue down this path. How does it get fixed?
You have a few good points, but illegal immigrants aren't sopping the country dry money-wise, nor are they the cause of exploding deficits. Please show your work on why you think that if we're to believe it. It's more spin that you've fallen for.
In terms of payroll and payroll taxes, illegals have lots to do with financials in terms of revenue stream. The CBO (congressional budget office ) estimates that 50% to 75% of illegals pays taxes. You've got to be kidding with this estimate. According to the IRS, in 2015, 4.35 million people paid over 13.7 billion in net taxes using an ITIN. (ITIN should go away) That"s roughly $3,300 per person filing taxes. That means these illegals are making $28k a year, or roughly $14 dollars an hour (very close to the pathetically low "living wage" that some are advocating for. Should be $20 ) Who thinks illegals are getting paid this much?
No one knows the real number, ranging anywhere from 15 to 30 million illegals , but if even if you took the low end (15 million) those that pay taxes (illegals using ITIN) comes out to only 28%. Not even close to the CBO's claim of 50 to 70 percent.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0201193
And, of course, we are talking about illegals that have a moral compass. You know the drill, the vast majority are paid under the table. With no OT or any benefits.
Of course illegals take more than they give. Case in point, the kids detained at the border live in Mexico, but attend a school in the US. (mentioned this a few posts ago ) I am assuming these kids families are not paying rent, property tax or other taxes that fund the school districts they attend. While not sopping the country dry, how does a school district get it's revenue from an untaxed student base? From the sales or meals tax ? Sure, that will cover the cost per pupil. 45 states do NOT tax food purchases, so you ain't getting revenue from that. Clothing isn't taxed in about a bakers dozen states either. (mostly in the northeast)
I really don't know why the benefits of hiring illegals isn't discussed. It's so obvious. Anyone on here own a company? Would you rather pay a good worker $5 an hour, zero benefits and have them work 60-80 hours a week, with no overtime, sick or vacation days.Oh, and no FICA, workmans comp and zero chance of getting sued for abuse, harrassment, etc. Or, would you rather pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits?