What a game !
Shipley,
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Ivy League 2022
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it's one game.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:12 pmHang on St. Joes can pull it off. Will deflate some of that Ivy RPI.
shipley with the winner. roll, bouncer off hip.
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Does anyone know how many TOTAL OOC games the Ivy League has lost?
I think the number is like an astonishing 9.
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I think the number is like an astonishing 9.
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Man, Penn came on like gangbusters at the end there. One of the better comebacks this year, especially considering St. Joe’s has the best faceoff guy in the country.
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It’s ten, with three of them from Dartmouth, and two from Brown. All of the others have one. Which is insane.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:21 pm Does anyone know how many TOTAL OOC games the Ivy League has lost?
I think the number is like an astonishing 9.
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Good game. Sj letting Furey dance around the entire fourth quarter is a head scratcher
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Nice 3-0 OOC night for the Ivy League on the strength of that great Penn comeback.
But count me in the ranks of those who think the Ivies will be limited to 4 slots in the NCAAs; really hoping Yale will make the ILT and the NCAAs. Maybe 5 teams if the stars align but I think it would kill the selectors.
But count me in the ranks of those who think the Ivies will be limited to 4 slots in the NCAAs; really hoping Yale will make the ILT and the NCAAs. Maybe 5 teams if the stars align but I think it would kill the selectors.
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Yup, and as of right now, Penn, Yale, Princeton, Brown are locks.The Orfling wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:26 pm Nice 3-0 OOC night for the Ivy League on the strength of that great Penn comeback.
But count me in the ranks of those who think the Ivies will be limited to 4 slots in the NCAAs; really hoping Yale will make the ILT and the NCAAs. Maybe 5 teams if the stars align but I think it would kill the selectors.
Cornell and Harvard need a win next week to have a shot, otherwise those are the 4 slots for the Ivies.
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this is just impossible to handicap, even if we knew the winners of games the next few weeks.The Orfling wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:26 pm Nice 3-0 OOC night for the Ivy League on the strength of that great Penn comeback.
But count me in the ranks of those who think the Ivies will be limited to 4 slots in the NCAAs; really hoping Yale will make the ILT and the NCAAs. Maybe 5 teams if the stars align but I think it would kill the selectors.
the inclusion of jax as #10 by the committee has made it so.
folks wanted the elimination of rpi as the metric, they may get it.
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Looked up each team's out of conference record because I was wondering too.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:21 pm Does anyone know how many TOTAL OOC games the Ivy League has lost?
I think the number is like an astonishing 9.
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Cornell: 7-1 (W: Albany, Lehigh, Hobart, Ohio State, Penn State, Colgate, Syracuse / L: Army)
Princeton: 6-1 (W: Monmouth, Binghamton, Georgetown, Rutgers, Marist, Boston / L: Maryland)
Yale: 6-1 (W: Villanova, UMass, Denver, Boston, Albany, Quinnipiac / L: Penn State)
Harvard: 5-1 (W: NJIT, Fairfield, Michigan, Boston, Colgate / L: Ohio State)
Brown: 6-2 (W: Quinnipiac, Vermont, Villanova, Providence, Stony Brook, Bryant / L: North Carolina, UMass)
Penn: 4-1 (W: Duke, Penn State, Villanova, Saint Joseph's / L: Georgetown) [Still play Albany on Saturday]
Dartmouth: 4-3 (W: Bryant, Siena, Vermont, St. John's / L: Merrimack, Ohio State, Stony Brook)
So if my math is correct, Ivy is 38-10 with 1 OOC game remaining.
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The key for Penn,
no bad losses,
all 4 in top ten.
no bad losses,
all 4 in top ten.
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Based on the way things stand right now, if the Ivy only gets 4 slots I'd go so far as to say the NCAA tournament is an objectively rigged game. Everyone loved the RPI all those years that it favored the blue bloods; the media all nodded in agreement when it said the ACC was untouchable and when it said Hopkins belonged over a Rutgers team that beat them twice. But now that the Ivy League is dominating in the non-conference, all of a sudden the RPI is flawed even though it's backing up the results on the field. I just had a look at the resumes, and there are 5 Ivy League teams with inarguably superior resumes to ND and Duke, and a sixth (Harvard) who still compares favorably even though it is closer.
That's not to say Duke or ND couldn't make a deep run in May given the chance, but the results on the field should never come second to subjective judgments on potential and the eye test. Duke has more bad losses than wins of any merit, and they only have one win over a team that will make the tournament. ND has no bad losses but also has only one good win.
That's not to say Duke or ND couldn't make a deep run in May given the chance, but the results on the field should never come second to subjective judgments on potential and the eye test. Duke has more bad losses than wins of any merit, and they only have one win over a team that will make the tournament. ND has no bad losses but also has only one good win.
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Usual suspects power the Ivy wins.
For Brown, scoring was balanced among several players. Theriault (who dresses with full pads) had 19 saves for 68%.
For Yale, the starting attack combined for 11 goals. Brandau (7,4), Lyons (3,3) and Johnson (1,5). Jack Starr received playing time.
For Penn, Furey lead scoring with 5 points (3,2). Hanley was held to 2 points (1,1). My guess is that he was closely guarded.
For Brown, scoring was balanced among several players. Theriault (who dresses with full pads) had 19 saves for 68%.
For Yale, the starting attack combined for 11 goals. Brandau (7,4), Lyons (3,3) and Johnson (1,5). Jack Starr received playing time.
For Penn, Furey lead scoring with 5 points (3,2). Hanley was held to 2 points (1,1). My guess is that he was closely guarded.
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That's why the possibility of Cornell beating Princeton and/or Harvard beating Yale is so interesting.The Orfling wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:26 pm Nice 3-0 OOC night for the Ivy League on the strength of that great Penn comeback.
But count me in the ranks of those who think the Ivies will be limited to 4 slots in the NCAAs; really hoping Yale will make the ILT and the NCAAs. Maybe 5 teams if the stars align but I think it would kill the selectors.
No way they leave Princeton out if they lose to Cornell, even though it almost certainly means that they finish out of the ILT. Leave out a team with a top 5 RPI? Never gonna happen. Same with Harvard/Yale: Yale's RPI is too high, and their back-to-back title game appearances mean the committee wouldn't have the cahones to leave them out.
It's the only way I see the Ivies getting 5 - or even 6 - bids. But Cornell and Harvard have their work cut out for them to make it happen.
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Its looking more and more as if one of those ACCs will berandom observer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:42 pm Based on the way things stand right now, if the Ivy only gets 4 slots I'd go so far as to say the NCAA tournament is an objectively rigged game. Everyone loved the RPI all those years that it favored the blue bloods; the media all nodded in agreement when it said the ACC was untouchable and when it said Hopkins belonged over a Rutgers team that beat them twice. But now that the Ivy League is dominating in the non-conference, all of a sudden the RPI is flawed even though it's backing up the results on the field. I just had a look at the resumes, and there are 5 Ivy League teams with inarguably superior resumes to ND and Duke, and a sixth (Harvard) who still compares favorably even though it is closer.
That's not to say Duke or ND couldn't make a deep run in May given the chance, but the results on the field should never come second to subjective judgments on potential and the eye test. Duke has more bad losses than wins of any merit, and they only have one win over a team that will make the tournament. ND has no bad losses but also has only one good win.
left out - Duke or ND,
so you can bet there will be months of crying and moaning
over RPI.
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Massey gives Princeton a three goal advantage over Cornell. Massey gives Yale a two goal advantage over Harvard. Anything can happen in these rivalry games. Both Princeton and Yale have shown that they can be vulnerable. However, Cornell and Harvard certainly have their work cut out for them.ICGrad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:45 pmThat's why the possibility of Cornell beating Princeton and/or Harvard beating Yale is so interesting.The Orfling wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:26 pm Nice 3-0 OOC night for the Ivy League on the strength of that great Penn comeback.
But count me in the ranks of those who think the Ivies will be limited to 4 slots in the NCAAs; really hoping Yale will make the ILT and the NCAAs. Maybe 5 teams if the stars align but I think it would kill the selectors.
No way they leave Princeton out if they lose to Cornell, even though it almost certainly means that they finish out of the ILT. Leave out a team with a top 5 RPI? Never gonna happen. Same with Harvard/Yale: Yale's RPI is too high, and their back-to-back title game appearances mean the committee wouldn't have the cahones to leave them out.
It's the only way I see the Ivies getting 5 - or even 6 - bids. But Cornell and Harvard have their work cut out for them to make it happen.
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The Brown Bears remain ridiculously hot. Until proven otherwise, they must be the favorites to win the ILT, especially should they host it.
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by who? there's no duke or nd fans on here. quint and carc? who cares?10stone5 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:49 pmIts looking more and more as if one of those ACCs will berandom observer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:42 pm Based on the way things stand right now, if the Ivy only gets 4 slots I'd go so far as to say the NCAA tournament is an objectively rigged game. Everyone loved the RPI all those years that it favored the blue bloods; the media all nodded in agreement when it said the ACC was untouchable and when it said Hopkins belonged over a Rutgers team that beat them twice. But now that the Ivy League is dominating in the non-conference, all of a sudden the RPI is flawed even though it's backing up the results on the field. I just had a look at the resumes, and there are 5 Ivy League teams with inarguably superior resumes to ND and Duke, and a sixth (Harvard) who still compares favorably even though it is closer.
That's not to say Duke or ND couldn't make a deep run in May given the chance, but the results on the field should never come second to subjective judgments on potential and the eye test. Duke has more bad losses than wins of any merit, and they only have one win over a team that will make the tournament. ND has no bad losses but also has only one good win.
left out - Duke or ND,
so you can bet there will be months of crying and moaning
over RPI.
and months is better than years. jax is #10 by the committee. watch out.