Johns Hopkins 2022

[HopFan16]

-PM was aggressive in rebuilding the d.
-What we learned in 2009-2013 is that when you start with the "wait until next year, the incoming class will have the answers, and it's ok that we're struggling right now" stuff is that all you do is put more pressure on younger kids to deliver which in a social media environment where 24/7/365 tape, commitments, comments, and message board words are parsed and over analyzed in full view of student athletes isn't the best mix. I think Gait has made a terrible mistake in coming into syracuse basking in the tradition and his own personal success telling students, alumni, parents and fans that the kids he brings in are going to recreate the level of success he had. The moment that doesn't happen it's going to get ugly for them and assuming we don't make a run the next 2 weekends you're going to enter year 3 with a new set of very young kids expected to return us to the ncaa tournament and take a conference away from a maryland juggernaut pushing towards one of the best eras in lacrosse. Tall task.

So you admit he tried to rebuild the D (and, apparently, did a decent job of it, based on both stats and eye test). And yet your assumption for some reason is still that he thought the offensive talent was perfectly fine and did nothing. Don't you think it's more likely that he also made a similar evaluation of the offense, but was just less able to "rebuild" it in such a short time frame? The portal is a two-way street, and the top guys didn't pick Hopkins. You have no clue who he had communication with and who he didn't. They did bring in a kid from UVA known as a skilled dodger in high school, but he promptly got injured, which is not their fault. You want instant gratification, and it isn't realistic. Cornell's current talent on offense should be all the evidence you need that PM is perfectly capable of evaluating his roster and bringing in good players. He has barely had the opportunity to even get started doing that.

On the second point, are we to believe you suddenly care about student-athlete mental health and the pressure that's put on them? Please.

[HappyGilmore]

How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

So the players not recruited by Mailman are not regular? Maybe if he treated all players, his recruits and his non recruits, the same the team would be performing better.

[HopFan16]

Question about match ups. I've watched a few JHU games this year, and I'm wondering how the close D will match up. I saw that Szuluk didn't start but played this last week. So McManus, Lyne, and Szuluk or Smith will be the starting close unit?

I'd guess that McManus would guard Khan, with Lyne marking Malever. Leaving one of the other two to cover Wisnauskas.

The defense looks like they have great size and really good mobility. Just curious as to how you all see the deployment of defenders happening.

I also operate on the theory that limiting Khan and Malever is the key to slowing down MD's offense, and both Syracuse and Princeton did a good job of that. Limiting the attack dodgers makes Maryland go to the invert, which takes them longer to set up. It slows down the game and forces the Terps to grind on offense. I know Hop's had struggles in the defensive midfield, but they do look like they have good pieces at close to replicated what Cuse and Princeton did.

If Maryland does go to the invert, Owen Murphy is going to see a ton of good match ups. When the second MF line comes in, he and Malever switch, so one of the two nearly always gets a shorty or LSM to dodge instead of a close defender. It's why Brennan and Koras have come on strong of late.

Smith will probably cover your primarily ball-carrier and initiator. He did a good job on Jack Myers when he was covering him and did even better on Ross Scott the week before. For you I guess that'd be Khan or Malever. I do think he's our best and most impactful overall defender so maybe they put him on Wisnauskas even though he's not exactly the "quarterback" of the offense with the hopes of disrupting his rhythm. Smith has done a good job matching feet with guys dodging from X and fighting through picks so that might be a waste of one of his strengths given where Wisnauskas primarily operates on the wing.

No clue if Lyne will play LSM or close D. He's floated between the two all season. It seems to depend both on his health and the specific matchup.

[HopFan16]

Callahan wins Big Ten specialist of the week and freshman of the week https://bigten.org/news/2022/4/19/gener ... onors.aspx

[flalax22]

Question about match ups. I've watched a few JHU games this year, and I'm wondering how the close D will match up. I saw that Szuluk didn't start but played this last week. So McManus, Lyne, and Szuluk or Smith will be the starting close unit?

I'd guess that McManus would guard Khan, with Lyne marking Malever. Leaving one of the other two to cover Wisnauskas.

The defense looks like they have great size and really good mobility. Just curious as to how you all see the deployment of defenders happening.

I also operate on the theory that limiting Khan and Malever is the key to slowing down MD's offense, and both Syracuse and Princeton did a good job of that. Limiting the attack dodgers makes Maryland go to the invert, which takes them longer to set up. It slows down the game and forces the Terps to grind on offense. I know Hop's had struggles in the defensive midfield, but they do look like they have good pieces at close to replicated what Cuse and Princeton did.

If Maryland does go to the invert, Owen Murphy is going to see a ton of good match ups. When the second MF line comes in, he and Malever switch, so one of the two nearly always gets a shorty or LSM to dodge instead of a close defender. It's why Brennan and Koras have come on strong of late.

Smith will probably cover your primarily ball-carrier and initiator. He did a good job on Jack Myers when he was covering him and did even better on Ross Scott the week before. For you I guess that'd be Khan or Malever. I do think he's our best and most impactful overall defender so maybe they put him on Wisnauskas even though he's not exactly the "quarterback" of the offense with the hopes of disrupting his rhythm. Smith has done a good job matching feet with guys dodging from X and fighting through picks so that might be a waste of one of his strengths given where Wisnauskas primarily operates on the wing.

No clue if Lyne will play LSM or close D. He's floated between the two all season. It seems to depend both on his health and the specific matchup.

I’ll say this if the plan is to put McManus on Khan we are going to get torched. It better be Smith

[jhu06]

-PM was aggressive in rebuilding the d.
-What we learned in 2009-2013 is that when you start with the "wait until next year, the incoming class will have the answers, and it's ok that we're struggling right now" stuff is that all you do is put more pressure on younger kids to deliver which in a social media environment where 24/7/365 tape, commitments, comments, and message board words are parsed and over analyzed in full view of student athletes isn't the best mix. I think Gait has made a terrible mistake in coming into syracuse basking in the tradition and his own personal success telling students, alumni, parents and fans that the kids he brings in are going to recreate the level of success he had. The moment that doesn't happen it's going to get ugly for them and assuming we don't make a run the next 2 weekends you're going to enter year 3 with a new set of very young kids expected to return us to the ncaa tournament and take a conference away from a maryland juggernaut pushing towards one of the best eras in lacrosse. Tall task.

So you admit he tried to rebuild the D (and, apparently, did a decent job of it, based on both stats and eye test). And yet your assumption for some reason is still that he thought the offensive talent was perfectly fine and did nothing. Don't you think it's more likely that he also made a similar evaluation of the offense, but was just less able to "rebuild" it in such a short time frame? The portal is a two-way street, and the top guys didn't pick Hopkins. You have no clue who he had communication with and who he didn't. They did bring in a kid from UVA known as a skilled dodger in high school, but he promptly got injured, which is not their fault. You want instant gratification, and it isn't realistic. Cornell's current talent on offense should be all the evidence you need that PM is perfectly capable of evaluating his roster and bringing in good players. He has barely had the opportunity to even get started doing that.

On the second point, are we to believe you suddenly care about student-athlete mental health and the pressure that's put on them? Please.

they added people. it wasn't successful and part of the reason was the offense. Maher Narewski Fernandez health is not why we're 20th in rpi right now. It's the inability to coach what they have. He's had 2 years, look at what rutgers did in one offseason. "Top guys" is a fascinating term, look at all xanders "top guys" over the last 15 years who were busts.

[HopFan16]

-PM was aggressive in rebuilding the d.
-What we learned in 2009-2013 is that when you start with the "wait until next year, the incoming class will have the answers, and it's ok that we're struggling right now" stuff is that all you do is put more pressure on younger kids to deliver which in a social media environment where 24/7/365 tape, commitments, comments, and message board words are parsed and over analyzed in full view of student athletes isn't the best mix. I think Gait has made a terrible mistake in coming into syracuse basking in the tradition and his own personal success telling students, alumni, parents and fans that the kids he brings in are going to recreate the level of success he had. The moment that doesn't happen it's going to get ugly for them and assuming we don't make a run the next 2 weekends you're going to enter year 3 with a new set of very young kids expected to return us to the ncaa tournament and take a conference away from a maryland juggernaut pushing towards one of the best eras in lacrosse. Tall task.

So you admit he tried to rebuild the D (and, apparently, did a decent job of it, based on both stats and eye test). And yet your assumption for some reason is still that he thought the offensive talent was perfectly fine and did nothing. Don't you think it's more likely that he also made a similar evaluation of the offense, but was just less able to "rebuild" it in such a short time frame? The portal is a two-way street, and the top guys didn't pick Hopkins. You have no clue who he had communication with and who he didn't. They did bring in a kid from UVA known as a skilled dodger in high school, but he promptly got injured, which is not their fault. You want instant gratification, and it isn't realistic. Cornell's current talent on offense should be all the evidence you need that PM is perfectly capable of evaluating his roster and bringing in good players. He has barely had the opportunity to even get started doing that.

On the second point, are we to believe you suddenly care about student-athlete mental health and the pressure that's put on them? Please.

they added people. it wasn't successful and part of the reason was the offense. Maher Narewski Fernandez health is not why we're 20th in rpi right now. It's the inability to coach what they have. He's had 2 years, look at what rutgers did in one offseason. "Top guys" is a fascinating term, look at all xanders "top guys" over the last 15 years who were busts.

You're not making any sense. I'm referring to the "top guys" in the portal, who were proven contributors at the college level. We're not projecting 9th graders here. We're talking about guys like Donville and Khan who are college All-Americans. There's no question about whether or not they can play.

"They added people." Huh? Who? We're still talking about offense, aren't we? They added 1 guy and he got hurt. You automatically assume that because they brought in fewer guys on offense than on defense that it must mean they were happy with the talent on offense. You have no clue. It very well may be the opposite, that they did try to bring in a difference-making talent like Donville, but just that he preferred to go elsewhere. The kid is on record as saying he wanted to go to Maryland's journalism program, which Hopkins doesn't offer. Syracuse should be wondering how the hell they couldn't land him with Gait and their media/journalism department. Given the willingness to bring in guys — and cut others — a logical person would deduce that our staff wanted to do the same thing on offense but that it wasn't entirely up to them.

[Ruffled_Feathers]

How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

So the players not recruited by Mailman are not regular? Maybe if he treated all players, his recruits and his non recruits, the same the team would be performing better.

Reading comprehension is apparently a lost art... "Regular players" as in, the guys who are regularly seeing the field during the course of the game. A large portion of the young men that are out there in the starting 10 and see the field for game action each week are still "Petro recruits". We're just talking about next year and beyond as those guys graduate and you can more readily see the "vision" of the new staff emerge with the kind of player they look to recruit and bring in rather than operating with the best of what they inherited. This is not to rag on what remains of the roster from the prior regime but the program was trending downward for many years before the coaching change and some component of it surely has to do with roster composition.

You can feel free to continue to grind your axe about the new staff having a Low EQ or whatever, but we cannot really call these first couple years of their tenure a team they actually "built".

[Ruffled_Feathers]

I'm referring to the "top guys" in the portal, who were proven contributors at the college level. We're not projecting 9th graders here. We're talking about guys like Donville and Khan who are college All-Americans. There's no question about whether or not they can play.

"They added people." Huh? Who? We're still talking about offense, aren't we? They added 1 guy and he got hurt. You automatically assume that because they brought in fewer guys on offense than on defense that it must mean they were happy with the talent on offense. You have no clue. It very well may be the opposite, that they did try to bring in a difference-making talent like Donville, but just that he preferred to go elsewhere. The kid is on record as saying he wanted to go to Maryland's journalism program, which Hopkins doesn't offer. Syracuse should be wondering how the hell they couldn't land him with Gait and their media/journalism department. Given the willingness to bring in guys — and cut others — a logical person would deduce that our staff wanted to do the same thing on offense but that it wasn't entirely up to them.

This years offensive group is basically the same core components as last year but without Cole Williams. In terms of "cuts" the only pieces that were let go were Zinn and Baskin right? In some capacity it might not be the worst thing to have a Baskin back this year on offense given he always seemed to be a steady but not spectacular source of production. The staff however can certainly be forgiven for making such a choice and believing that a year older McDermott, Evans, etc. would step up and fill that sort of production void left there and maybe they collectively have. Replacing a guy like Williams wasn't really going to be done from within, at least not in a way that you would probably manage to do by "coaching a guy up".

Lost in all of the turbulence of this season is how good of a player Degnon has matured into though. Bravo to whoever is responsible for that.

[Wheels]

Question about match ups. I've watched a few JHU games this year, and I'm wondering how the close D will match up. I saw that Szuluk didn't start but played this last week. So McManus, Lyne, and Szuluk or Smith will be the starting close unit?

I'd guess that McManus would guard Khan, with Lyne marking Malever. Leaving one of the other two to cover Wisnauskas.

The defense looks like they have great size and really good mobility. Just curious as to how you all see the deployment of defenders happening.

I also operate on the theory that limiting Khan and Malever is the key to slowing down MD's offense, and both Syracuse and Princeton did a good job of that. Limiting the attack dodgers makes Maryland go to the invert, which takes them longer to set up. It slows down the game and forces the Terps to grind on offense. I know Hop's had struggles in the defensive midfield, but they do look like they have good pieces at close to replicated what Cuse and Princeton did.

If Maryland does go to the invert, Owen Murphy is going to see a ton of good match ups. When the second MF line comes in, he and Malever switch, so one of the two nearly always gets a shorty or LSM to dodge instead of a close defender. It's why Brennan and Koras have come on strong of late.

Smith will probably cover your primarily ball-carrier and initiator. He did a good job on Jack Myers when he was covering him and did even better on Ross Scott the week before. For you I guess that'd be Khan or Malever. I do think he's our best and most impactful overall defender so maybe they put him on Wisnauskas even though he's not exactly the "quarterback" of the offense with the hopes of disrupting his rhythm. Smith has done a good job matching feet with guys dodging from X and fighting through picks so that might be a waste of one of his strengths given where Wisnauskas primarily operates on the wing.

No clue if Lyne will play LSM or close D. He's floated between the two all season. It seems to depend both on his health and the specific matchup.

Makes sense. Was wondering why Szuluk didn't start. When Lyne arrived on campus, I thought he'd be the next AA on the defensive end. Bummer that he's had injury issues. Overall, still a good group of long poles.

[HappyGilmore]

How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

So the players not recruited by Mailman are not regular? Maybe if he treated all players, his recruits and his non recruits, the same the team would be performing better.

Reading comprehension is apparently a lost art... "Regular players" as in, the guys who are regularly seeing the field during the course of the game. A large portion of the young men that are out there in the starting 10 and see the field for game action each week are still "Petro recruits". We're just talking about next year and beyond as those guys graduate and you can more readily see the "vision" of the new staff emerge with the kind of player they look to recruit and bring in rather than operating with the best of what they inherited. This is not to rag on what remains of the roster from the prior regime but the program was trending downward for many years before the coaching change and some component of it surely has to do with roster composition.

You can feel free to continue to grind your axe about the new staff having a Low EQ or whatever, but we cannot really call these first couple years of their tenure a team they actually "built".

My comprehension is fine. I guess we will see in a couple of years. Like you and others on this board have said once they get their regular guys in.

[FlyEaglesFly]

Baskin is having a very good year for Villanova - I think over 30 points as a midfielder.

[Sagittarius A*]

Baskin is having a very good year for Villanova - I think over 30 points as a midfielder.

Murphy has 20 pts (18 g) for UMD this year and is shooting .439
ZInn could have helped with the clearing woes.
If the staff hadn't ran off Baskin, Murphy and Zinn, maybe we would have beaten Navy and Delaware this year.
Maybe, just maybe, if they hadn't run off some of our most productive players, we would have made the playoffs this year.
Ex-Jays starring all over the league.

[HopFan16]

Baskin is having a very good year for Villanova - I think over 30 points as a midfielder.

Murphy has 20 pts (18 g) for UMD this year and is shooting .439
ZInn could have helped with the clearing woes.
If the staff hadn't ran off Baskin, Murphy and Zinn, maybe we would have beaten Navy and Delaware this year.
Maybe, just maybe, if they hadn't run off some of our most productive players, we would have made the playoffs this year.
Ex-Jays starring all over the league.

"I do think it's probably time to move on from players who are carrying the ball half the game and registering zero points." - Sagittarius A, March 2021

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[Rolldins]

Baskin is having a very good year for Villanova - I think over 30 points as a midfielder.

Murphy has 20 pts (18 g) for UMD this year and is shooting .439
ZInn could have helped with the clearing woes.
If the staff hadn't ran off Baskin, Murphy and Zinn, maybe we would have beaten Navy and Delaware this year.
Maybe, just maybe, if they hadn't run off some of our most productive players, we would have made the playoffs this year.
Ex-Jays starring all over the league.

Not too hard to score for Murphy when the defense has to worry about all of the options before him. I'm sure another forrest gump can be found in the portal or thru recruiting to replace Zinn, but I doubt he'd have made that much of an impact. Baskin definitely would've helped, but not sure as much as you'd think.

[flalax22]

Baskin is having a very good year for Villanova - I think over 30 points as a midfielder.

Murphy has 20 pts (18 g) for UMD this year and is shooting .439
ZInn could have helped with the clearing woes.
If the staff hadn't ran off Baskin, Murphy and Zinn, maybe we would have beaten Navy and Delaware this year.
Maybe, just maybe, if they hadn't run off some of our most productive players, we would have made the playoffs this year.
Ex-Jays starring all over the league.

Murphy would help. Baskin barely serviceable at the B10 level. Zinn we’ve been through that. Great athlete that didn’t give us much. I’m not sure he would now. I think the ssdm we have are better. He may have helped the clearing game if he was used in that capacity.

[DocBarrister]

Baskin is having a very good year for Villanova - I think over 30 points as a midfielder.

Murphy has 20 pts (18 g) for UMD this year and is shooting .439
ZInn could have helped with the clearing woes.
If the staff hadn't ran off Baskin, Murphy and Zinn, maybe we would have beaten Navy and Delaware this year.
Maybe, just maybe, if they hadn't run off some of our most productive players, we would have made the playoffs this year.
Ex-Jays starring all over the league.

Murphy would help. Baskin barely serviceable at the B10 level. Zinn we’ve been through that. Great athlete that didn’t give us much. I’m not sure he would now. I think the ssdm we have are better. He may have helped the clearing game if he was used in that capacity.

I’m glad to know some of the Hopkins diaspora are doing well on their new teams.

Murphy would have been quite helpful this season.

Baskin was productive for several seasons for the Blue Jays.

Zinn, I think would have been of help at SSDM, transition offense, and on the wings for faceoffs, with maybe a few runs on the second midfield thrown in.

I think the Blue Jays would have been a better team had those three stayed, but it was not meant to be.

DocBarrister

[jhu06]

I don't miss baskin concannon murphy or zinn. By all appearances Epstein loves Hopkins and seems to have a solid relationship with PM so what he does after this season along w/a lot of other folks remains to be seen. We need brand new attack midfield and goalie rooms.

[HillsLax]

The only "proof" that Murphy was run off comes from Murphy. Is it possible he soured on Hopkins due to the academic challenges he might have had? Relying on the statements from one 18-year-old kid to coach to a broadcaster is thin indeed.

[HopFan16]

We need brand new attack midfield and goalie rooms.

Garrett Degnon has 21 goals in 6 games (3.5 per game) since moving to attack. That would be tied for third in Division 1. If I'm PM/Junior I am begging him to come back as a grad student next year.

Why do you even post