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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:45 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
Exactly this:

"But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal."
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:45 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
Exactly this:

"But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal."
Yep… BTW, had a chance to attend a John McWhorter event, a couple of months ago. He’s a good guy and some of his views are distorted in right wing media. Like a lot of academicians, he can narrowly define a situation and analysis that particularly construct. Others often make inferences or extrapolate into a broader context, even if its not his position….. he said this, therefore that. Happens all the time.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:45 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
Exactly this:

"But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal."
I was more concerned not with the the railroading portion (although it is open for debate), but moreso the outcomes of their work. For instance, has his work been disproven in the Houston Police stats, where the claim is police target black people ?

Isn't it oddly coincidental, that when someone starts pushing back against the norms, suddenly innuendo, claims or some wrong-doing begin to surface....like drugs or infidelity as an attempt to shut them up. You even did it above about Loury...ever so subtly, but still flew the black cloud out there; oddly coincidental.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:01 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:45 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
Exactly this:

"But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal."
I was more concerned not with the the railroading portion (although it is open for debate), but moreso the outcomes of their work. For instance, has his work been disproven in the Houston Police stats, where the claim is police target black people ?

Isn't it oddly coincidental, that when someone starts pushing back against the norms, suddenly innuendo, claims or some wrong-doing begin to surface....like drugs or infidelity as an attempt to shut them up. You even did it above about Loury...ever so subtly, but still flew the black cloud out there; oddly coincidental.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:01 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:45 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
Exactly this:

"But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal."
I was more concerned not with the the railroading portion (although it is open for debate), but moreso the outcomes of their work. For instance, has his work been disproven in the Houston Police stats, where the claim is police target black people ?

Isn't it oddly coincidental, that when someone starts pushing back against the norms, suddenly innuendo, claims or some wrong-doing begin to surface....like drugs or infidelity as an attempt to shut them up. You even did it above about Loury...ever so subtly, but still flew the black cloud out there; oddly coincidental.
... the right wing has enough information to make a video. They should be able to get the data and draft from Fryer. The video claims that Fryer said this would assure that he published his paper. Seems to me the folks believing the video should be the ones answering these questions. Hell this kind of nonsense is right up the alley of the Heartland Institute - get them involved. :)
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:01 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:45 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:15 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
Curious....did you watch the youtube video that was embedded in the article?
I did; Glenn Loury, who the piece opens with was a similarly popular, conservative economist who was embraced by Harvard...until, at the age of 39 he was accused of assault in a 'lover's quarrel' by a 23 year old woman; those charges were eventually dropped, but he was then caught and charged with cocaine possession; left Harvard, became 'born-again' and has been a successful, very socially conservative economist, now at Brown I believe.

I think Fryer made serious errors and his celebrity actually protected him for awhile, but it caught up to him. Again, I think these guys' success in espousing theories that run dramatically contrary to various orthodoxy is a testament to the openness of these schools to such challenging thought and work. Doesn't make him right or wrong about his conclusions and theories, but he does ask interesting questions.

But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal.
Exactly this:

"But I don't buy for an instant that either of these guys was railroaded because they were conservative blacks. Indeed, it looks more to me like they felt somewhat immune to accountability, too much so. Of course, that's likely true of lots of white professors as well....conservative or liberal."
I was more concerned not with the the railroading portion (although it is open for debate), but moreso the outcomes of their work. For instance, has his work been disproven in the Houston Police stats, where the claim is police target black people ?

Isn't it oddly coincidental, that when someone starts pushing back against the norms, suddenly innuendo, claims or some wrong-doing begin to surface....like drugs or infidelity as an attempt to shut them up. You even did it above about Loury...ever so subtly, but still flew the black cloud out there; oddly coincidental.
Not coincidental at all, he was the guy who led off the piece exaggerating multiple aspects of the story...and his leaving Harvard had much the same dynamics, not because they were black conservatives, but because they'd actually done things that were a problem.

My objection is to the promotion of Freyer as some sort of victim because of his work; it's quite the contrary, he's received tremendous attention and support because of the work, and its ideological bent, yes, at an Ivy...whereas the piece tried to say the exact opposite.
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
You can look it up. The app is called Newsbreak. Oddly enough it is owned by a Chinese business man. Hell for all I know I've been brainwashed by the ChiComs for the past 2 years.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:21 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
You can look it up. The app is called Newsbreak. Oddly enough it is owned by a Chinese business man. Hell for all I know I've been brainwashed by the ChiComs for the past 2 years.
I am certain of it.
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:21 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
You can look it up. The app is called Newsbreak. Oddly enough it is owned by a Chinese business man. Hell for all I know I've been brainwashed by the ChiComs for the past 2 years.
I am certain of it.
The way I understand it that type of brainwashing is most effective on college graduates. Us blue collar folk are too dumb to comprehend.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:21 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
You can look it up. The app is called Newsbreak. Oddly enough it is owned by a Chinese business man. Hell for all I know I've been brainwashed by the ChiComs for the past 2 years.
I am certain of it.
The way I understand it that type of brainwashing is most effective on college graduates. Us blue collar folk are too dumb to comprehend.
Just so you know, here's how News Break rates: https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/newsbreak.com

take a look at what most folks say about it...
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:16 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:21 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
You can look it up. The app is called Newsbreak. Oddly enough it is owned by a Chinese business man. Hell for all I know I've been brainwashed by the ChiComs for the past 2 years.
I am certain of it.
The way I understand it that type of brainwashing is most effective on college graduates. Us blue collar folk are too dumb to comprehend.
Just so you know, here's how News Break rates: https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/newsbreak.com

take a look at what most folks say about it...
Thats is some algori…..I mean that is some app.
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Re: Progressive Ideology

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:16 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:21 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:40 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:23 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:18 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:25 pm Re Fryer:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... uspension/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... o-harvard/

Very interesting guy, all sorts of interesting work...much of it controversial, sure, but Harvard, like other Ivies, actually embraces that sort of thing, including from conservative perspectives, much as that reality runs counter to the narrative of Ivies being bastions of solely hyper-liberal orthodoxy.

Especially untrue in many of the Economics departments, including Harvard's.
So, are we now agreed that the substack article that "came across (C&S's) phone" was complete journalistic malpractice, what we used to call bullsh*t?
So you think I'm lying about the article?? I receive dozens of different news blurbs on this app every day. I didn't look for it counselor, it showed up as one of many I get every day. I didn't realize it would cause so much chaos amongst some people on our forum. I certainly never thought so many of you would insinuate I'm lying about where I read it.
Who said you were lying? I am certain that article showed up on your phone. I am also not surprised that it’s dozens of articles every day delivered to you. That’s some app.
Those folks at Verizon know their chit. It is similar to something like the Drudge Report. They have national news, US news and even NYS news. It is a conglomeration of a bunch of different news organizations.
I am sure it does! I only get notifications from the Economist, Reuters, WSJ, CNN, Bloomberg, NYT, WP and my local Patch. I don’t have that app. Your app is better!
You can look it up. The app is called Newsbreak. Oddly enough it is owned by a Chinese business man. Hell for all I know I've been brainwashed by the ChiComs for the past 2 years.
I am certain of it.
The way I understand it that type of brainwashing is most effective on college graduates. Us blue collar folk are too dumb to comprehend.
Just so you know, here's how News Break rates: https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/newsbreak.com

take a look at what most folks say about it...
FTR MD, I never purchased the App. It was installed on my phone by Verizon when I purchased my phone. I have never spent a penny on this app. I suppose I support it every month when I pay my Verizon bill. That being said it is a resource I read because it is already on my phone and is free for me to use. I like free...
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