UVA at Duke 4/14 at 1

[JoeMauer89]

Every season is new and different, as is every game. No single program is superior looking forward. Duke could stay hot. UVA could get healthy or continue to nosedive. ND could run the table or fall short by one goal per game. Maryland could get struck dead by complacency or injuries. Rutgers could reignite or blow up. Georgetown could catch fire or choke. Any Ivy could throw flames or flame out. You with me? Just enjoy the ride, it's a bunch of early 20 somethings playing the game they love.

+1

+1000, we can all agree on that!!

Joe

[calourie]

Every season is new and different, as is every game. No single program is superior looking forward. Duke could stay hot. UVA could get healthy or continue to nosedive. ND could run the table or fall short by one goal per game. Maryland could get struck dead by complacency or injuries. Rutgers could reignite or blow up. Georgetown could catch fire or choke. Any Ivy could throw flames or flame out. You with me? Just enjoy the ride, it's a bunch of early 20 somethings playing the game they love.

+1

+1000, we can all agree on that!!

Joe

Of course we could all let reality in college lacrosse (and all things human and otherwise) run its' course without comment, judgement, analysis, prognostication or emotion, but that would seem to run counter to the tendencies and natures of a vast majority of us both here in this forum, and perhaps even in our culture at large . For better or worse, many of us delight in commenting on, judging, analyzing, predicting and emoting about almost any issue, particularly the sports and teams we feel most passionate about. I do all of the aforementioned, and will likely continue to do so, and still get an enormous kick out of watching a bunch of 20 somethings play the game they love, particularly when they do it well

[MDlaxfan76]

Every season is new and different, as is every game. No single program is superior looking forward. Duke could stay hot. UVA could get healthy or continue to nosedive. ND could run the table or fall short by one goal per game. Maryland could get struck dead by complacency or injuries. Rutgers could reignite or blow up. Georgetown could catch fire or choke. Any Ivy could throw flames or flame out. You with me? Just enjoy the ride, it's a bunch of early 20 somethings playing the game they love.

+1

+1000, we can all agree on that!!

Joe

Of course we could all let reality in college lacrosse (and all things human and otherwise) run its' course without comment, judgement, analysis, prognostication or emotion, but that would seem to run counter to the tendencies and natures of a vast majority of us both here in this forum, and perhaps even in our culture at large . For better or worse, many of us delight in commenting on, judging, analyzing, predicting and emoting about almost any issue, particularly the sports and teams we feel most passionate about. I do all of the aforementioned, and will likely continue to do so, and still get an enormous kick out of watching a bunch of 20 somethings play the game they love, particularly when they do it well

That, too, +1.

[Chousnake]

Didn’t Duke make the Final Four last year ?
And so then, they were the 4th or 5th best team last year
depending on your point of view.
No chance they were getting past either UVA or the Terps.

Before the season everyone was claiming there was no chance UVA or the Terps could get past them. They've had arguably the most talented roster in the country two years in a row.

Doesn’t Tillman do far more with far *advertised* less?

Top of my head #1 recruits:

Duke: O’Neill (#1 recruit), McAdory (#1 recruit),

UVA: Moore (#1 recruit), Shellenberger (#1 recruit)

UMD: ummmmmm?

UVA also has Griffen Schutz who is #1 for the freshman class. Maryland has never gotten a #1 recruit*, which is kind of amazing to think about, as good as Maryland has been traditionally and as good as Tillman is as a recruiter.

* Rambo was 2nd to Jordan Evans. Oops.

Forgot about Schutz. UVA/Lars really has had an embarrassment of riches. Ryan Conrad was #1 too.

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

But but but it's the ACC!!! They play each other! And they all have so many "good" losses against those top 10 teams!

You are correct. The ACC has a mediocre out of conference record and no wins OOC against top 10 teams. If the Ivies had a similar OOC record, the pundits would be talking about whether more than 1 or 2 teams should get at large bids into the tourney. It's time the ACC faces the same scrutiny this season.

[ICGrad]

If the Ivies had a similar OOC record, the pundits would be talking about whether more than 1 or 2 teams should get at large bids into the tourney.

What?!?

If the Ivies had the same record it would be AQ and nothing else, and there wouldn't even be any discussion.

[wgdsr]

Didn’t Duke make the Final Four last year ?
And so then, they were the 4th or 5th best team last year
depending on your point of view.
No chance they were getting past either UVA or the Terps.

Before the season everyone was claiming there was no chance UVA or the Terps could get past them. They've had arguably the most talented roster in the country two years in a row.

Doesn’t Tillman do far more with far *advertised* less?

Top of my head #1 recruits:

Duke: O’Neill (#1 recruit), McAdory (#1 recruit),

UVA: Moore (#1 recruit), Shellenberger (#1 recruit)

UMD: ummmmmm?

UVA also has Griffen Schutz who is #1 for the freshman class. Maryland has never gotten a #1 recruit*, which is kind of amazing to think about, as good as Maryland has been traditionally and as good as Tillman is as a recruiter.

* Rambo was 2nd to Jordan Evans. Oops.

Forgot about Schutz. UVA/Lars really has had an embarrassment of riches. Ryan Conrad was #1 too.

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

But but but it's the ACC!!! They play each other! And they all have so many "good" losses against those top 10 teams!

You are correct. The ACC has a mediocre out of conference record and no wins OOC against top 10 teams. If the Ivies had a similar OOC record, the pundits would be talking about whether more than 1 or 2 teams should get at large bids into the tourney. It's time the ACC faces the same scrutiny this season.

may come as a surprise, but teams are evalated individually. as an example, p'ton has a good record by your metrics, but the rest of the ivy... not so much.
cornell does have a w vs #9 tosu. we'll see if they hold up top 10.

[MoralTerpitude]

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

Yup. No one’s really talking about UVa in this context, but they’ve got zero RPI wins against the top 10, and have lost to #12 and #16. Their best wins are against #14 (ND), twice against #15 (UNC), and once against #20 (Hopkins). Their remaining games are against #56, #31, and #70. They could potentially fall out of the top 10 in RPI, and not be seeded going into the tournament. Pretty unbelievable.

[stupefied]

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

Yup. No one’s really talking about UVa in this context, but they’ve got zero RPI wins against the top 10, and have lost to #12 and #16. Their best wins are against #14 (ND), twice against #15 (UNC), and once against #20 (Hopkins). Their remaining games are against #56, #31, and #70. They could potentially fall out of the top 10 in RPI, and not be seeded going into the tournament. Pretty unbelievable.

Doesn't matter if Virginia gets a low seed. Matter of health .

Shellenberger has to stay healthy over these next two games and uva has to allow Moore hammy to be recover full strength. Tiffany should give LaScalla the last game off

Virginia gets a nice rest after last game till tourney . Be rested and hopefully all healthy and at full strength entering tourney . Saw what happens last two tourneys , couple of bad regular season losses then turn up and run the table to two consecutive chips.

[molo]

Duke was a sleeping giant before this game. The giant has woken up. Could they revert and drop a game they should win? Maybe, but I wouldn't want to face them in the tournament.

[MoralTerpitude]

Duke was a sleeping giant before this game. The giant has woken up. Could they revert and drop a game they should win? Maybe, but I wouldn't want to face them in the tournament.

Someone, can’t remember who, pointed out that Duke is pretty dependent on Adler. This has been especially true the last few games.

[stupefied]

Duke was a sleeping giant before this game. The giant has woken up. Could they revert and drop a game they should win? Maybe, but I wouldn't want to face them in the tournament.

Im not sure where they stand. Looked strong vs uva but still see Duke as third best in ACC behind a healthy UVA and an improving ND. Still question devils defense , productive attack but lack the true distributor of others . That frosh mid is excellent and Landin emerging has given that unit another threat while and some secondary players are getting more involved. Montgomery can be good but performances are very inconsistent , sometimes shines other times invisible .Adler can have big games but bit inconsistent . See ND being a sleeper as more complete team ever since young fogo improved and Taylor inserted. Who gets in and how many remains to be seen. Know talk was all Ivy but shine may fade . b10 problably places three and acc might do same.
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[MoralTerpitude]

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

Yup. No one’s really talking about UVa in this context, but they’ve got zero RPI wins against the top 10, and have lost to #12 and #16. Their best wins are against #14 (ND), twice against #15 (UNC), and once against #20 (Hopkins). Their remaining games are against #56, #31, and #70. They could potentially fall out of the top 10 in RPI, and not be seeded going into the tournament. Pretty unbelievable.

Doesn't matter if Virginia gets a low seed. Matter of health .

Shellenberger has to stay healthy over these next two games and uva has to allow Moore hammy to be recover full strength. Tiffany should give LaScalla the last game off

Virginia gets a nice rest after last game till tourney . Be rested and hopefully all healthy and at full strength entering tourney . Saw what happens last two tourneys , couple of bad regular season losses then turn up and run the table to two consecutive chips.

Agreed. While UVa is not quite at the level of last year, the health of Moore and Lasalla has not helped. Didn’t know Moore’s issue was a hammy. That is not good. Hamstring injuries are notorious for not fully healing for months, and notorious for being re-injured if not fully healed. The thing is you can do alot of things on an injured hamstring, but you can’t go top speed until it is fully healed. And if you try, you’re prone to reinjure it.

[wgdsr]

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

Yup. No one’s really talking about UVa in this context, but they’ve got zero RPI wins against the top 10, and have lost to #12 and #16. Their best wins are against #14 (ND), twice against #15 (UNC), and once against #20 (Hopkins). Their remaining games are against #56, #31, and #70. They could potentially fall out of the top 10 in RPI, and not be seeded going into the tournament. Pretty unbelievable.

Doesn't matter if Virginia gets a low seed. Matter of health .

Shellenberger has to stay healthy over these next two games and uva has to allow Moore hammy to be recover full strength. Tiffany should give LaScalla the last game off

Virginia gets a nice rest after last game till tourney . Be rested and hopefully all healthy and at full strength entering tourney . Saw what happens last two tourneys , couple of bad regular season losses then turn up and run the table to two consecutive chips.

Agreed. While UVa is not quite at the level of last year, the health of Moore and Lasalla has not helped. Didn’t know Moore’s issue was a hammy. That is not good. Hamstring injuries are notorious for not fully healing for months, and notorious for being re-injured if not fully healed. The thing is you can do alot of things on an injured hamstring, but you can’t go top speed until it is fully healed. And if you try, you’re prone to reinjure it.

he tried to give it a go less than a week out vs. duke. that's a good sign, especially how he grabbed it and came off.

guessing he won't start tthe game vs cuse unless it's close to 100, and then he'll have like 3 weeks off from there. 4 plus if he doesn't play. hopefully, that'll be enough.

with uva's break of 3 weeks, lasalla and a few others are banged up, but get a chance at least to heal up. nothing for sure if they don't put 2 more w's in the books, tho.

[MoralTerpitude]

Again, no dog in the hunt, and I’m aware Maryland gets it’s fair share of quality players, but Tillman doesn’t get the *incoming* classes of either Duke or UVA, and therefore seems to do more with less. I doubt Bernhardt was the top player in his year, coming out of Florida? Yet look what he did.

Am I missing something about the ACC, their best OC game was a win over now # 18 Denver. ACC teams have O wins against top ten OC teams

Yup. No one’s really talking about UVa in this context, but they’ve got zero RPI wins against the top 10, and have lost to #12 and #16. Their best wins are against #14 (ND), twice against #15 (UNC), and once against #20 (Hopkins). Their remaining games are against #56, #31, and #70. They could potentially fall out of the top 10 in RPI, and not be seeded going into the tournament. Pretty unbelievable.

Doesn't matter if Virginia gets a low seed. Matter of health .

Shellenberger has to stay healthy over these next two games and uva has to allow Moore hammy to be recover full strength. Tiffany should give LaScalla the last game off

Virginia gets a nice rest after last game till tourney . Be rested and hopefully all healthy and at full strength entering tourney . Saw what happens last two tourneys , couple of bad regular season losses then turn up and run the table to two consecutive chips.

Agreed. While UVa is not quite at the level of last year, the health of Moore and Lasalla has not helped. Didn’t know Moore’s issue was a hammy. That is not good. Hamstring injuries are notorious for not fully healing for months, and notorious for being re-injured if not fully healed. The thing is you can do alot of things on an injured hamstring, but you can’t go top speed until it is fully healed. And if you try, you’re prone to reinjure it.

he tried to give it a go less than a week out vs. duke. that's a good sign, especially how he grabbed it and came off.

guessing he won't start tthe game vs cuse unless it's close to 100, and then he'll have like 3 weeks off from there. 4 plus if he doesn't play. hopefully, that'll be enough.

with uva's break of 3 weeks, lasalla and a few others are banged up, but get a chance at least to heal up. nothing for sure if they don't put 2 more w's in the books, tho.

If Moore’s hammy has been injured enough to hamper him on the field, he’s likely not going to be able to go full-speed for the rest of the season.

[stupefied]

True, hammies need extended rest. Shellenberger has to stay health'y and LaScalla has to be at full strength come tourney. Made no sense to me for Tiffany to be playing Lascalla for 3q agaisnt Quiinpiac as they could beat that team losing every faceoff. Gotta protect these players from themselves

[MoralTerpitude]

True, hammies need extended rest. Shellenberger has to stay health'y and LaScalla has to be at full strength come tourney. Made no sense to me for Tiffany to be playing Lascalla for 3q agaisnt Quiinpiac as they could beat that team losing every faceoff. Gotta protect these players from themselves

Yeah I was wondering about that too; they were playing a bottom 5 team in Division 1, that would have been a great opportunity to play LaSalla’s back-up the whole game, and give him some experience. Actually, I’m surprised that Lars has been playing Moore as much as he has, even if he did sit against Quinnipiac.

That being said, Lars is in my opinion the best coach in college lax, so I’m sure he had his reasons.

[RopeUnit]

Lars is the best coach in the NCAA as far as I’m concerned. But managing the PT of his star players with regards to injury isn’t his strong suit.
Signed, every Brown fan from 2016

[Gatsby]

True, hammies need extended rest. Shellenberger has to stay health'y and LaScalla has to be at full strength come tourney. Made no sense to me for Tiffany to be playing Lascalla for 3q agaisnt Quiinpiac as they could beat that team losing every faceoff. Gotta protect these players from themselves

Yeah I was wondering about that too; they were playing a bottom 5 team in Division 1, that would have been a great opportunity to play LaSalla’s back-up the whole game, and give him some experience. Actually, I’m surprised that Lars has been playing Moore as much as he has, even if he did sit against Quinnipiac.

That being said, Lars is in my opinion the best coach in college lax, so I’m sure he had his reasons.

They talked about that on the broadcast. The backup faceoff man is injured, forcing LaSalla to play.

[MoralTerpitude]

True, hammies need extended rest. Shellenberger has to stay health'y and LaScalla has to be at full strength come tourney. Made no sense to me for Tiffany to be playing Lascalla for 3q agaisnt Quiinpiac as they could beat that team losing every faceoff. Gotta protect these players from themselves

Yeah I was wondering about that too; they were playing a bottom 5 team in Division 1, that would have been a great opportunity to play LaSalla’s back-up the whole game, and give him some experience. Actually, I’m surprised that Lars has been playing Moore as much as he has, even if he did sit against Quinnipiac.

That being said, Lars is in my opinion the best coach in college lax, so I’m sure he had his reasons.

They talked about that on the broadcast. The backup faceoff man is injured, forcing LaSalla to play.

Ah, got it. Surprised that UVa doesn’t have a third FOGO on the roster.

[wgdsr]

True, hammies need extended rest. Shellenberger has to stay health'y and LaScalla has to be at full strength come tourney. Made no sense to me for Tiffany to be playing Lascalla for 3q agaisnt Quiinpiac as they could beat that team losing every faceoff. Gotta protect these players from themselves

Yeah I was wondering about that too; they were playing a bottom 5 team in Division 1, that would have been a great opportunity to play LaSalla’s back-up the whole game, and give him some experience. Actually, I’m surprised that Lars has been playing Moore as much as he has, even if he did sit against Quinnipiac.

That being said, Lars is in my opinion the best coach in college lax, so I’m sure he had his reasons.

They talked about that on the broadcast. The backup faceoff man is injured, forcing LaSalla to play.

braun was sick, not injured. next backup is lsm to muck it up. lasalla was definitively not 100%, and questions about continuing to go in there are valid.