Miscellaneous questions, thoughts, impressions, etc.

[wlaxphan20]

I say definitely not. The NCAA basically replaced the Focus year are gave everyone a do-over. That being the case why should it count? Absent a redshirt, you get 4 years to compete, not 4.4 years.

The statistics an athlete accumulates during a season before receiving a medical redshirt count, so why shouldn't these? It's pretty much the same concept. Even without medical redshirts and COVID years the # of games in a players career can still vary greatly.

Kylie Ohlmiller currently has the record for career points with 498 in 4 years and 84 games, no redshirts.

- Hoeg wasn't even close to that after finishing her COVID extra year with 370 points in 89 games
- Ortega currently sits at 412 points in 80 games & potentially 10 more games max (assuming they make it to the ACC championship game & get a 1st round bye and make it to NC game)
- North currently sits at 378 points in 74 games & potentially 11 more games max (assuming they make it to the ACC championship game & get a 1st round bye and make it to NC game)

Both North and Ortega would have to put up some serious numbers to even sniff KO's record. Ortega needs to average about 8.5 ppg (she currently averages about 5.4 ppg) and North would need to average 10.9 ppg (she currently averages 5.68 ppg).

Also, notice the difference in the # of career games between Ortega and North (80 & 74). This is because Duke failed to make the NCAA tournament in 2018 & 2019. So my point, in all of this rambling, is that disparities of as much as 6 games (or more) happen organically without the COVID year. And Kylie Ohlmiller's normal, 4-year, 84 game NCAA career is actually going to be longer than Charlotte North's career with the COVID year and a max of 83 games. edit: CN will potentially have 85 career games if BC makes it to the NC game - but my point is still the same. There's a one game difference between a player who had a normal 4 year career and a player who had a "COVID" season plus 4 years.

One more just for fun:
Jessica Karwacki holds the career DC record with 645 in 66 games. She played for Robert Morris University who never made it farther than their conference tournament semi-final. There are teams with players who will finish (and have finished) their careers with 20+ more games and still not come close to this record (edit: but Maddie Jenner is currently in hot pursuit).

Edit #2 & 3: CN career stat correction & career games totals

[njbill]

Since you mentioned DCs, I thought I'd look at Maddie Jenner's numbers.

She currently has 543, with the remainder of this season (she already has 172 YTD) and a potential fifth year still to go. Seems very likely she'll reach 645 if she plays next year.

[wlaxphan20]

Since you mentioned DCs, I thought I'd look at Maddie Jenner's numbers.

She currently has 543, with the remainder of this season and a potential fifth year still to go. Seems very likely she'll reach 645 if she plays next year.

Good catch!

And just to put things in more perspective:

Taylor Cummings played 92 career games
Kayla Treanor played 94 career games

Both had 4-year careers.

[Laxfan500]

I say definitely not. The NCAA basically replaced the Focus year are gave everyone a do-over. That being the case why should it count? Absent a redshirt, you get 4 years to compete, not 4.4 years.

The statistics an athlete accumulates during a season before receiving a medical redshirt count, so why shouldn't these? It's pretty much the same concept. Even without medical redshirts and COVID years the # of games in a players career can still vary greatly.

Kylie Ohlmiller currently has the record for career points with 498 in 4 years and 84 games, no redshirts.

- Hoeg wasn't even close to that after finishing her COVID extra year with 370 points in 89 games
- Ortega currently sits at 412 points in 80 games & potentially 10 more games max (assuming they make it to the ACC championship game & get a 1st round bye and make it to NC game)
- North currently sits at 367 points in 72 games & potentially 11 more games max (assuming they make it to the ACC championship game & get a 1st round bye and make it to NC game)

Both North and Ortega would have to put up some serious numbers to even sniff KO's record. Ortega needs to average about 8.5 ppg (she currently averages about 5.4 ppg) and North would need to average 11.9 ppg (she currently averages 5.75).

Also, notice the difference in the # of career games between Ortega and North (80 & 72). This is because Duke failed to make the NCAA tournament in 2018 & 2019. So my point, in all of this rambling, is that disparities of as much as 8 games (or more) happen organically without the COVID year. And Kylie Ohlmiller's normal, 4-year, 84 game NCAA career is actually going to be longer than Charlotte North's career with the COVID year and a max of 83 games.

One more just for fun:
Jessica Karwacki holds the career DC record with 645 in 66 games. She played for Robert Morris University who never made it farther than their conference tournament semi-final. There are teams with players who will finish (and have finished) their careers with 20+ more games and still not come close to this record (edit: but Maddie Jenner is currently in hot pursuit).
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It’s no coincidence 2 players in top 4 all time points played in same division and a weak conf at that . Blowing out teams and playing every minute…teams you play and if you play whole game also come into consideration in total points (not a Covid/games played issue but just saying).
Also I think your points count with North is incorrect . Her stats bio is incorrect I believe .

[wlaxphan20]

I say definitely not. The NCAA basically replaced the Focus year are gave everyone a do-over. That being the case why should it count? Absent a redshirt, you get 4 years to compete, not 4.4 years.

The statistics an athlete accumulates during a season before receiving a medical redshirt count, so why shouldn't these? It's pretty much the same concept. Even without medical redshirts and COVID years the # of games in a players career can still vary greatly.

Kylie Ohlmiller currently has the record for career points with 498 in 4 years and 84 games, no redshirts.

- Hoeg wasn't even close to that after finishing her COVID extra year with 370 points in 89 games
- Ortega currently sits at 412 points in 80 games & potentially 10 more games max (assuming they make it to the ACC championship game & get a 1st round bye and make it to NC game)
- North currently sits at 367 points in 72 games & potentially 11 more games max (assuming they make it to the ACC championship game & get a 1st round bye and make it to NC game)

Both North and Ortega would have to put up some serious numbers to even sniff KO's record. Ortega needs to average about 8.5 ppg (she currently averages about 5.4 ppg) and North would need to average 11.9 ppg (she currently averages 5.75).

Also, notice the difference in the # of career games between Ortega and North (80 & 72). This is because Duke failed to make the NCAA tournament in 2018 & 2019. So my point, in all of this rambling, is that disparities of as much as 8 games (or more) happen organically without the COVID year. And Kylie Ohlmiller's normal, 4-year, 84 game NCAA career is actually going to be longer than Charlotte North's career with the COVID year and a max of 83 games.

One more just for fun:
Jessica Karwacki holds the career DC record with 645 in 66 games. She played for Robert Morris University who never made it farther than their conference tournament semi-final. There are teams with players who will finish (and have finished) their careers with 20+ more games and still not come close to this record (edit: but Maddie Jenner is currently in hot pursuit).

It’s no coincidence 2 players in top 4 all time points played in same division and a weak conf at that . Blowing out teams and playing every minute…teams you play and if you play whole game also come into consideration in total points (not a Covid/games played issue but just saying).
Also I think your points count with North is incorrect . Her stats bio is incorrect I believe .

BC only shows her stats from BC. You have to go back to her athlete profile at Duke to get her statistics from her first 2 years there & added them together. She had 169 points in her two years at Duke, but I think you might be right about BC. It shows under her career stats she has 58 points for 2022 but it doesn’t count the most recent two games…so she’s actually got 69 - so she’s at 378 career points. Thanks - I’ll edit above

[hmmm]

Word tonight is Drexel has fired their HC. Also that she was escorted off the field during practice. Sure the the story will come out soon

[DMac]

Sounds juicy.

[Bart]

Sounds juicy.

sounds awful

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

Sounds juicy.

Juicy??

[tothedraw]

Sounds like trigger finger admins.
I have no inside knowledge of this situation but as far as I know she had a very good reputation.

[LarryGamLax]

Word tonight is Drexel has fired their HC. Also that she was escorted off the field during practice. Sure the the story will come out soon

I don't know where you obtained this information from, but I'm upset reading this. I had a friend text me and ask if I had heard about this. I had not.

Kim is a terrific long time friend. Someone I respect and care about. I have to hope to all that is good that none of what you said is true. I have to believe that.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

Twitter and Instagram accounts status quo, still listed as coach on Drexel website. Nothing recent for news in a Google search. All checked before posting. This was the last activity on Hillier's Twitter account. We'll find out for sure tomorrow afternoon as the Drexel at Towson game at 2pm will be broadcast on the LSN network.

[Dr. Tact]

Word tonight is Drexel has fired their HC. Also that she was escorted off the field during practice. Sure the the story will come out soon

I don't know where you obtained this information from, but I'm upset reading this. I had a friend text me and ask if I had heard about this. I had not.

Kim is a terrific long time friend. Someone I respect and care about. I have to hope to all that is good that none of what you said is true. I have to believe that.

Kim was the first coach to recruit my oldest. She was a wonderful person throughout the recruiting process. I hope that this isn't true.

[8meterPA]

Word tonight is Drexel has fired their HC. Also that she was escorted off the field during practice. Sure the the story will come out soon

in women's lax?? waaaaattttt?

[RedFromMI]

As of yet she is still listed on the roster page as the head coach. Of course if this just happened, the update may take a bit if true.

[tothedraw]

I was told she was not fired.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

Twitter and Instagram accounts status quo, still listed as coach on Drexel website. Nothing recent for news in a Google search. All checked before posting. This was the last activity on Hillier's Twitter account. We'll find out for sure tomorrow afternoon as the Drexel at Towson game at 2pm will be broadcast on the LSN network.

Hillier “liked” this 4 hours ago on her Twitter account.

https://twitter.com/inkyjohnson/status/ ... 82176?s=21

[laxlaxlax]

Word tonight is Drexel has fired their HC. Also that she was escorted off the field during practice. Sure the the story will come out soon

Escorted off the field seems a little aggressive if this is true.

For a coach to be abruptly fired before practice, yes. To be abruptly fired after practice, yes - but to be escorted out mid-practice seems so bizarre if true. I can’t begin to imagine what would cause any administrator to do that in front of players.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

Word tonight is Drexel has fired their HC. Also that she was escorted off the field during practice. Sure the the story will come out soon

Escorted off the field seems a little aggressive if this is true.

For a coach to be abruptly fired before practice, yes. To be abruptly fired after practice, yes - but to be escorted out mid-practice seems so bizarre if true. I can’t begin to imagine what would cause any administrator to do that in front of players.

Just watching the Drexel at Towson game. Coming back from a break with the camera trained on the Drexel sideline, play-by-play announcer Tom Eschen said, "Head coach Kim Hillier is not with the team today--out for personal reasons." Everything I've seen since the rumor of her demise as head coach of Drexel has been in contradiction to the original report. Her social media accounts have her still listed as head coach and following the Drexel Twitter account. The Drexel Twitter account is still following Hillier. The Drexel school website still lists her as the head coach. This one is being kept very tightly under wraps.

[watcherinthewoods]

We should remember that these are personnel decisions ... so both parties have an interest in handling them discreetly. Particularly if there are unpleasant issues involved.