All Things Russia & Ukraine

[DocBarrister]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

[JoeMauer89]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

[Typical Lax Dad]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

[JoeMauer89]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

[a fan]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

OS, for heaven's sake....who's tallying the poll? I don't believe for one second that this poll is on the level. Putin is at war. NO WAY would he let a legit poll escape his attention.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

[JoeMauer89]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

Nobody on this site has said that explicitly, the part about "Ukraine laying down" is your take on it. Not everything is black or white. Again, when somebody has a differing opinion than your own, it doesn't automatically mean that it's the DIRECT opposite of what believe. I appreciate you asking though...

Joe

[old salt]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

Keep up the delusional happy talk. Maybe it will come true. Fools.

Rah Rah.

[JoeMauer89]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

Nobody on this site has said that explicitly, the part about "Ukraine laying down" is your take on it. Not everything is black or white. Again, when somebody has a differing opinion than your own, it doesn't automatically mean that it's the DIRECT opposite of what believe. I appreciate you asking though...

Joe

+1

Joe

[old salt]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

OS, for heaven's sake....who's tallying the poll? I don't believe for one second that this poll is on the level. Putin is at war. NO WAY would he let a legit poll escape his attention.

CNN bought it. They brought on a Russian tv anchor to validate it.

Putin controls Russian state media, which is all most of the population can get.
The Russian people don't get their news from social media like you do & it's now shut down.
All most of them have is state tv.

Putin has them thinking they are winning & that the West is coming for them, just like Napoleon & Hitler did.
He has convinced them they are fighting neo-Nazis.

[old salt]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

Nobody on this site has said that explicitly, the part about "Ukraine laying down" is your take on it. Not everything is black or white. Again, when somebody has a differing opinion than your own, it doesn't automatically mean that it's the DIRECT opposite of what believe. I appreciate you asking though...

Joe

+1

Joe

They can't handle bad news Joe. They personalize everything that does not support their narrative or preferred outcome.

They don't care how many people die or have their lives ruined, just so long as they can see their preferred outcome.

TLD's ready to fight Putin to the last dead Ukrainian because Putin meddled in our election that Trump won.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

Keep up the delusional happy talk. Maybe it will come true. Fools.

Rah Rah.

You believe it’s the United States of America’s fault and Putin is justified. What’s delusional about that? Enjoy the USNA games this weekend Old S. You get a free ticket?

[MDlaxfan76]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

mmm, actually it's a fair critique, albeit a stinging one and a bit of hyperbole perhaps.
and the critique goes back almost a decade.

You do realize that there are indeed Americans "rooting" for Putin to succeed, war to end with Ukraine divided or entirely part of Russia, Biden look bad, Europeans' "punished"...etc, etc...

Personally, I think Salty's more complicated that that, but he does tread that line quite a lot. Let's just say that he's flown a lot of air cover for those who are definitely in that camp, small though it may be today.

There are differences in views on all this.

[old salt]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

What’s sickening and very scary are folks who are openly rooting for Putin … like Donald Trump and more than a few conservatives.

DocBarrister

DocB,

You are entitled to your opinion regarding Trump, etc. But you have ZERO right to insinuate that a fellow poster that has given absolutely no indication whatsoever that he is "Rooting for Putin", that he indeed is doing so. For once, maybe stop being so concerned with being so hyperbolic and showing faux "wokeness" and be more concerned with the facts themselves.

Joe

Joe,

Do you believe Ukraine shouldn’t fight back and should let Putin take whatever he wants because the USA backed him into a corner?

Nope, but when has Youth ever explicitly uttered those exact words? That was my point? DocB is making a huge ASSUMPTION, as he is always so quick to do, to show that "he cares". It's foolish stuff. I'm nervously excited for tomorrow night's game!

Joe

What would you say about a person that suggest that it’s our fault and that Ukraine should lay down because we separated Ukraine from Russia?

Keep up the delusional happy talk. Maybe it will come true. Fools.

Rah Rah.

You believe it’s the United States of America’s fault and Putin is justified. What’s delusional about that? Enjoy the USNA games this weekend Old S. You get a free ticket?

It's our fault for pushing the Ukrainians into a war, expecting us to defend them. Enjoy your war of revenge against Putin.
Keep hope alive. We may get dragged into it yet.

[a fan]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

OS, for heaven's sake....who's tallying the poll? I don't believe for one second that this poll is on the level. Putin is at war. NO WAY would he let a legit poll escape his attention.

CNN bought it. They brought on a Russian tv anchor to validate it.

Putin controls Russian state media, which is all most of the population can get.
The Russian people don't get their news from social media like you do & it's now shut down.
All most of them have is state tv.

Putin has them thinking they are winning & that the West is coming for them, just like Napoleon & Hitler did.
He has convinced them they are fighting neo-Nazis.

That's all great. But my point stands. And you have to add in the fear of being caught being against the war.

[a fan]

They can't handle bad news Joe. They personalize everything that does not support their narrative or preferred outcome.

They don't care how many people die or have their lives ruined, just so long as they can see their preferred outcome.

Well, you could say the same thing about your support of staying in Iraq or Afghanistan, could you not?

You cheered both on, if you'll recall, and like those you are criticizing here....you didn't want to hear about other paths. The other paths were wrong, and yours was right.

[old salt]

Apparently, Ukraine is now reaching into Russia to destroy supply capabilities.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... dn-vpx.cnn

Embedded CNN video clip trying to explain away the 15% rise in Putin's domestic approval rating to 85%.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... -conflict/

Still openly rooting for Putin.

How embarrassing for this forum.

DocBarrister

He's not openly rooting for Putin, you should be banned from this site for even INSINUATING that. The fact that you could even suggest that notion is sickening and very scary. Cartoon Character.

Joe

mmm, actually it's a fair critique, albeit a stinging one and a bit of hyperbole perhaps.
and the critique goes back almost a decade.

You do realize that there are indeed Americans "rooting" for Putin to succeed, war to end with Ukraine divided or entirely part of Russia, Biden look bad, Europeans' "punished"...etc, etc...

Personally, I think Salty's more complicated that that, but he does tread that line quite a lot. Let's just say that he's flown a lot of air cover for those who are definitely in that camp, small though it may be today.

There are differences in views on all this.

...fair because it supports your McCarthyite tendency of attributing sinister motives to anyone with the temerity to disagree with you.

My view on this goes back 3 decades, to the dissolution of the USSR, which I have explained repeatedly.
My enemy was the Soviet Union, not the Russian people. We never stopped meddling in their affairs, seeking our advantage.

A divided Ukraine is preferable to a destroyed Ukraine, with it's population dead or displaced.
The Korean War didn't turn out badly for the S Koreans. Our motives in fomenting & promoting this war are not pure.

[old salt]

They can't handle bad news Joe. They personalize everything that does not support their narrative or preferred outcome.

They don't care how many people die or have their lives ruined, just so long as they can see their preferred outcome.

Well, you could say the same thing about your support of staying in Iraq or Afghanistan, could you not?

You cheered both on, if you'll recall, and like those you are criticizing here....you didn't want to hear about other paths. The other paths were wrong, and yours was right.

It calls into question all the happy talk about Putin losing public support & being forced from power.

[old salt]

They can't handle bad news Joe. They personalize everything that does not support their narrative or preferred outcome.

They don't care how many people die or have their lives ruined, just so long as they can see their preferred outcome.

Well, you could say the same thing about your support of staying in Iraq or Afghanistan, could you not?

You cheered both on, if you'll recall, and like those you are criticizing here....you didn't want to hear about other paths. The other paths were wrong, and yours was right.

Not at all. Our residual force was minimal. It's presence prevented the kind of carnage we are seeing in Ukraine now.

Look at the death & destruction ISIS brought to Iraq & Syria the first time we pulled out of Iraq.
Look at what the Taliban are doing to Afghanistan (again)

We prevented all that with fewer troops than we've sent to Poland in the past 3 weeks.

[a fan]

They can't handle bad news Joe. They personalize everything that does not support their narrative or preferred outcome.

They don't care how many people die or have their lives ruined, just so long as they can see their preferred outcome.

Well, you could say the same thing about your support of staying in Iraq or Afghanistan, could you not?

You cheered both on, if you'll recall, and like those you are criticizing here....you didn't want to hear about other paths. The other paths were wrong, and yours was right.

Not at all. Our residual force was minimal. It's presence prevented the kind of carnage we are seeing in Ukraine now.

Look at the death & destruction ISIS brought to Iraq & Syria the first time we pulled out of Iraq.
Look at what the Taliban are doing to Afghanistan (again)

We prevented all that with fewer troops than we've sent to Poland in the past 3 weeks.

Right. Which is why you can also say....and I'm quoting you here, so you don't get to complain......You don't care how many people die or have their lives ruined, just so long as you can see your preferred outcome.

Get it? This door swings both ways, OS. Your path in Iraq and Afghanistan leads to death, too. Lots of it.