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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:21 pm I’m telling you, American voters are going to reject this abject lunacy in November, with a margin that will shock the world.
Pete still thinks he can vote, and make America think the way he wants them to think.

Culture doesn't work like that, Pete....to the constant frustration of you and fake conservatives all over America....
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a fan wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:20 am
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:21 pm I’m telling you, American voters are going to reject this abject lunacy in November, with a margin that will shock the world.
Pete still thinks he can vote, and make America think the way he wants them to think.

Culture doesn't work like that, Pete....to the constant frustration of you and fake conservatives all over America....



You mistake the attempted preservation of cultural norms for trying to ‘make America think the way we want them to think’. American conservatives are simply fighting back against the cultural ruination of America by the collectivist, Marxist politics of the left (the same left who tell Americans that kids as young as 3 need hormone blockers, that men should compete against girls in girls sports, that first graders need to hear about sex, and so forth).

It’s really not hard to understand. I wish I could send every American Democrat to spend one month in Venezuela, right now. They’d come back chagrined that their preferred collectivist policies are on-ramps to economic, moral, and cultural collapse.
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Peter Brown wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:55 am You mistake the attempted preservation of cultural norms for trying to ‘make America think the way we want them to think’. American conservatives are simply fighting back against the cultural ruination of America by the collectivist, Marxist politics of the left.
Translation: i want the government to force everyone to have the some ideas and opinions that I have.
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:55 am It’s really not hard to understand. I wish I could send every American Democrat to spend one month in Venezuela, right now. They’d come back chagrined that their preferred collectivist policies are on-ramps to economic, moral, and cultural collapse.
Translation: I received my education from a government owned and operated University, and made the mistake of telling other posters this fact because I can't wrap my head around the fact that the government runs the University of Florida.

Don't like collectivism, Pete? Shut down the University of Florida. And Florid State. And all the other government run organizations that you claim are ruining our country.

I'll be there to sign off on it. That's the difference between you and I: I'm OVERJOYED to shut down all government assistance to guys like you who mailed it in in High School all while I worked my tail off. Nothing would make me happier. You'd still be fine, as you'd just spend daddy's money.
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Why You Should Care That Ginni Thomas Is Bonkers Justice Clarence Thomas is literally in bed with a conspiracy theory nutter.

Some of her language sounds eerily similar to screeds we see here at FL now and again, don't they?
Ginni Thomas has long been one of the leaders of the right, and it turns out she’s a loon. This is not entirely a newsflash. Nine years ago, I revealed the existence of a new and secretive conservative outfit that Thomas had helped pull together. Called Groundswell, it assembled a collection of right-wingers in Washington, DC, for weekly meetings to concoct talking points, coordinate messaging, and hatch plans for “a 30 front war seeking to fundamentally transform the nation,” according to a trove of its documents I obtained. The group included a host of far-right extremists, including Frank Gaffney (who had claimed Barack Obama was a secret Muslim); Ken Blackwell and Jerry Boykin of the Family Research Council; Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch; tea party fanatic Allen West, a former member of Congress; Steve Bannon, then the executive chairman of Breitbart News Network; Dan Bongino, a former Secret Service agent who would become a Fox News presence; Leonard Leo, executive vice president of the influential Federalist Society; a handful of conservative journalists; and others. A top aide to Sen. Ted Cruz was a Groundsweller.

Groundswell appeared to be set up as competition to the well-known Wednesday morning gatherings of conservative advocates hosted by Grover Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform. That collective included a broad spectrum of Republicans, including conservatives opposed to gay rights and abortion rights and those who favor them, as well as GOPers on different sides of the immigration reform debate. Groundswell, which met at the same time as Norquist’s group, was a more ideologically pure and extreme version of the Norquist confab. The group devised strategies for killing immigration reform, hyping the Benghazi controversy, and countering the impression that the GOP exploits racism. On a Google group page, Groundswellers often griped that the GOP’s inside-the-Beltway crowd was trying to marginalize the conservative die-hards and recruit, promote, and support political candidates deemed less strident and more electable. Their Number One enemy in this regard was Republican strategist Karl Rove, and Groundswell mounted an effort to discredit him.

The documents indicated that Ginni Thomas was a guiding force for Groundswell, setting agendas for its meetings and actively coordinating messaging among its participants, and that the group had a dark, paranoid, and Manichean view of American politics. One Groundswell memo stated that an “active radical left is dedicated to destroy [sic] those who oppose them” with “vicious and unprecedented tactics. We are in a real war; most conservatives are not prepared to fight.” At one meeting a participant claimed that many government agencies (the State Department, the CIA, the Pentagon, the EPA, and others) were conspiring with “far left wing groups” to undermine conservatives in the media.

In a post on a Google group page, Ginni Thomas encouraged Groundswell members to watch Agenda: Grinding America Down, a purported documentary that claims progressives (including Obama) seek “a brave new world” based on the “failed policies and ideologies of communism” and that an evil left is purposefully “destroying the greatest country in all of world history.” This film could have been produced by the John Birch Society. Dredging up the Alger Hiss and Rosenberg atomic spying cases, it compares liberalism to communism and Hitler’s Nazism. The film alleges that the left is deliberately seeking to impose communism on the United States and to eradicate the “American family.” It’s that old bugaboo of the subversive foe within: “America has an enemy that is getting very close to accomplishing its plan of destroying the greatest country in all world history.” The website for the film features a wire diagram of the leftist conspiracy to exterminate the United States that is worthy of a tinfoil hat award.

Ginni Thomas was endorsing this claptrap. To see this film as an accurate depiction of reality, one would have to be a paranoid nutcase incapable of effectively and somberly evaluating the world. And there’s this: a person who believes that such a sinister plot is afoot could likely justify almost anything. As that one Groundswell memo suggests, this is a war, yet only Groundswellers are prepared for this battle. In such circumstances—if you were combatting an evil force bent on annihilating the land you love—would you really care about such niceties as avoiding judicial conflicts of interest?
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Susan Collins says she will vote in favor of Brown-Jackson's nomination to the Court.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/600 ... reme-court
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What did Ginni Thomas do for republiCON operative Frank Gaffney for $200,000 while a case Gaffney and his client had an interest in was under consideration by SCOTUS and her husband Clarence??
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Is Ginni Thomas a Threat to the Supreme Court?

Long piece in the New Yorker magazine...excerpt re: Frank Gaffney, below...
The problem has become so widespread that in 2018 the rules for appellate-court judges were amended to make it possible for judges to strike any amicus brief that might force them to recuse themselves. There has been no such reckoning at the Supreme Court—not even when close political associates of Ginni Thomas’s have filed amicus briefs. One such associate is Frank Gaffney, a defense hawk best known for having made feverish claims suggesting that Obama is a Muslim and that Saddam Hussein’s regime was involved in the Oklahoma City bombings. Leaked documents show that Gaffney was a colleague of Ginni Thomas’s at Groundswell as far back as 2013. Gaffney was a proponent of Trump’s reactionary immigration policies, including, most vociferously, of the Administration’s Muslim travel ban. As these restrictions were hit by lawsuits, Gaffney’s nonprofit, the Center for Security Policy, signed the first of two big contracts with Liberty Consulting. According to documents that Gaffney’s group filed with the I.R.S., in 2017 and 2018 it paid Ginni Thomas a total of more than two hundred thousand dollars.

It’s not entirely clear where Gaffney’s nonprofit got the funds to hire Liberty Consulting. (Gaffney didn’t respond to interview requests.) But, according to David Armiak—the research director at the Center for Media and Democracy, which tracks nonprofit political spending—one of the biggest donors to Gaffney’s group in 2017 was a pro-Trump political organization, Making America Great, whose chairman, the heiress Rebekah Mercer, was among Trump’s biggest backers. While two hundred thousand dollars was being passed from Trump backers to Gaffney to Ginni Thomas, the Supreme Court agreed to hear legal challenges to Trump’s travel restrictions. In August, 2017, Gaffney and six other advocates submitted an amicus brief to the Court in support of the restrictions, arguing that “the challenge of Islam must be confronted.”

That December, as the case was still playing out, Ginni Thomas bestowed one of her Impact Awards on Gaffney, introducing him “as an encourager to me and a great friend” but giving no hint that his group was paying her firm. The Impact ceremony was held at the Trump International Hotel, and, according to another guest, Jerry Johnson, Justice Thomas was in attendance. Johnson later recalled that the Justice sat in front of him and was a “happy warrior,” pleased to be watching his wife “running the meeting.” Throughout the 2017 and 2018 sessions, as various challenges to the travel restrictions were considered by the Court, Justice Thomas consistently took a hard pro-Trump line. Finally, in June, 2018, Thomas and four other Justices narrowly upheld the final version of the restrictions.

It’s impossible to know whether Thomas was influenced by his wife’s lucrative contract with Gaffney, by Gaffney’s amicus brief, or by her celebration of Gaffney at the awards ceremony. Given the Justice’s voting history, it’s reasonable to surmise that he would have supported the travel restrictions no matter what. Nevertheless, the lawyers on the losing side of the case surely would have wanted to know about Ginni Thomas’s financial contract with Gaffney. Judges, in their annual financial disclosures, are required to report the source of their spouses’ incomes. But Justice Thomas, in his disclosures in 2017 and 2018, failed to mention the payments from Gaffney’s group. Instead, he put down a curiously low book value for his wife’s lobbying firm, claiming in both years that her company was worth only between fifteen and fifty thousand dollars.

Roth, of Fix the Court, told me that, at the very least, Justice Thomas should be asked to amend his financial statements from those years—as he did in 2011, after it became public that he hadn’t disclosed the six hundred and eighty-six thousand dollars that his wife had earned at the Heritage Foundation between 2003 and 2007. Beyond that, Roth said, “the Justices should, as a rule, disqualify themselves from cases in which a family member or the family member’s employer has filed an amicus brief.” In Congress, the Democratic senator Sheldon Whitehouse, of Rhode Island, is pushing for reform. Amicus briefs, he told me, are “a form of lobbying that has two terrible aspects—the interests behind them are hidden, and they are astonishingly effective in terms of the win rate.” He added, “They open up real avenues for secret mischief.”

In January, 2019, Ginni Thomas secured for Gaffney the access that her Web site promises. As Maggie Haberman, of the Times, and Jonathan Swan, of Axios, have reported, not long after Clarence and Ginni Thomas had a private dinner at the White House with Donald and Melania Trump, the President’s staff gave in to a months-long campaign by Ginni to bring her, Gaffney, and several other associates to the White House to press the President on policy and personnel issues. The White House was not informed that Gaffney’s group had been paying Liberty Consulting for the previous two years. (Gaffney’s group did not report signing a contract with Liberty Consulting for 2019.)

The White House meeting was held in the Roosevelt Room, and by all accounts it was uncomfortable. Thomas opened by saying that she didn’t trust everyone in the room, then pressed Trump to purge his Administration of disloyal members of the “deep state,” handing him an enemies list that she and Groundswell had compiled. Some of the participants prayed, warning that gay marriage, which the Supreme Court legalized in 2015, was undermining morals in America.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opin ... icans.html

"When Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson’s Supreme Court nomination reaches the Senate floor soon, every Republican who votes against her confirmation will be complicit in the abuse that the Republican members of the Judiciary Committee heaped on her.

Every mischaracterization of Judge Jackson’s record on the bench. Every racist dog whistle about crime. Every QAnon shout-out about rampant child pornography. Every innuendo that a lawyer who represents suspected terrorists supports terrorism.

So far, only one Republican senator, Susan Collins of Maine, has said she will vote to confirm Judge Jackson. The Republican senators who don’t disavow their colleagues’ behavior during last week’s confimation hearing will own it. All of it.

Every Republican voting no will be Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, asking, “On a scale of one to 10, how faithful would you say you are in terms of religion?” Each one will be Ted Cruz of Texas, distorting the argument in a law review note by the nominee to suggest slyly that beginning as a student she harbored an agenda of going easy on sex criminals.

Each Republican will even sink so low as to be Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, moving her pen across the page as she read the right-wing talking points and demanding that the nominee define the word “woman.” The definition that came to mind, although not to Judge Jackson’s lips, was “a mature female who can maintain her composure while being badgered on national television by posturing politicians.”

I have observed, and written about for this newspaper, every Supreme Court confirmation hearing since Sandra Day O’Connor’s in 1981, the first to be televised live. There have been good times and bad, obviously. The O’Connor hearing was one of the good ones. There were a few testy moments, thanks not to Democrats but to a few of the nominee’s fellow Republicans who thought her insufficiently dedicated to the anti-abortion cause. But the mood was decidedly one of bipartisan celebration for the barrier about to be broken by confirming the first woman to become a Supreme Court justice, and the vote on the Senate floor was 99-0.

Senator Amy Klobuchar, Democrat of Minnesota, tried in her opening statement last week to summon such a sense of unity. “This entire hearing is about opening things up,” she said, noting that as the 116th justice, Judge Jackson would be the first Black woman. Senator Klobuchar continued, “We are a nation that must re-embrace the simple principle that unites us as Americans, and that is that our country is so much bigger in what unites us than what divides us.”

It was not only sad but also shameful that the Judiciary Committee’s Republicans couldn’t rise to the occasion. Granted, the goal of their leader, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, has always famously been known to withhold as many votes as possible from a Democratic president’s Supreme Court nominee. (In 2016, of course, he deprived President Barack Obama’s nominee, Merrick Garland, of any vote whatsoever.)

The last Democratic nominee to go through a full confirmation process was Elena Kagan in 2010. Named by Mr. Obama, she had been the first female dean of Harvard Law School and was serving as the first female solicitor general. She was nominated to succeed Justice John Paul Stevens, who at that point was arguably the most liberal justice. The court’s ideological balance was not at stake; in fact, there was some reason to think that she might be a bit to Justice Stevens’s right. There was no objective reason to oppose her. She was confirmed with only five Republican votes, down from the nine Republicans who voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor, Mr. Obama’s first nominee to the court, the year before.

The reasons Republicans gave for opposing Solicitor General Kagan were standard fare. They portrayed her as a closet political activist who, in the words of Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa, had failed to provide assurance that she would “change her political ways or check her political instincts or goals at the courthouse door.” One of her home-state senators, Scott Brown, Republican of Massachusetts, who had introduced her at the committee hearing and was widely expected to vote for her, voted no at the last minute, having apparently discovered that she lacked judicial experience.

While the opposition was tedious and vapid, it wasn’t mean. No one accused her of coddling pedophiles or terrorists. The senators were following their leader. It was just business.

The difference between then and now is stark. The alternating question periods between Democratic and Republican senators induced a kind of whiplash. While the Democrats celebrated Judge Jackson’s accomplishments and the symbolism of her nomination, the Republicans oozed venom. Their collective fixation on her irrefutably mainstream sentencing practices in cases involving child sexual abuse imagery — a topic seemingly plucked from thin air because there was nothing of substance for them to complain about — verged on the unhinged.

“Every judge who does what you are doing is making it easier for the children to be exploited,” Senator Graham exclaimed, evidently overcome with remorse for having voted less than a year ago to confirm her to the federal appeals court on which she now sits.

It was inevitable that some Republican would bring up the mother of all confirmation battles, the defeat of President Ronald Reagan’s nomination of Judge Robert Bork in 1987. It turned out to be Senator Cruz. “It is only one side of the aisle, the Democratic aisle, that went so into the gutter with Judge Robert Bork that they invented a new verb, to ‘bork’ someone,” he said.

If Senator Cruz meant to justify himself and his fellow Republicans for “borking” Judge Jackson, he missed a crucial difference. In 1987, six Republicans joined with all but two Democrats to reject the Bork nomination for what the nominee had said and written. Judge Bork actually criticized a key measure of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which he said embodied a principle of “unsurpassed ugliness.” He really did believe that the First Amendment protected only pure political speech and not other means of expression. He called the Supreme Court’s 1965 decision in Griswold v. Connecticut, which recognized a constitutional right to contraception, an “unprincipled” judicial overreach. That he would vote to repudiate Roe v. Wade when the opportunity arose was a given.

In other words, the Bork hearing was really about Robert Bork and what impact he would have on the Supreme Court if confirmed to what was then the swing seat. The Republicans’ role in the Jackson hearing was not remotely about Ketanji Brown Jackson. It was about concocting a scary version of a Black woman to serve up to their base. In addition to associating her with crime and criminals, they repeatedly questioned her representation of Guantánamo detainees.

Memories are short and selective. April 7 will be the fifth anniversary of the Senate’s confirmation of Justice Neil Gorsuch. Before he became a judge, he held a senior political position in the Justice Department during the presidency of George W. Bush. In that position, in 2006, he sent an email to a friend with the subject line “Elite Law Firm Pro Bono Work for Terrorists.” His email forwarded a blog post from the right-wing American Spectator deploring the growing involvement of prominent law firms in providing representation to Guantánamo detainees. His message read: “I thought you mind [sic] find this of interest. It seems odd to me that more hasn’t been made of this. See esp. list of firms below from Spectator blog.”

His friend, whose name had been blacked out, replied to the email by saying, “The great fallacy here, of course, is that this work helps to protect the rights of Americans. By definition, the only rights at issue here are those of suspected alien terrorist enemies during time of war.” Mr. Gorsuch’s reply in turn: “Exactly.”

The email exchange was among the documents the White House turned over to the Judiciary Committee at the time of the Gorsuch Supreme Court nomination. During the confirmation hearing, Senator Dick Durbin, the Illinois Democrat who now heads the committee, asked him about it, noting that Chief Justice John Roberts had spoken proudly about his own representation of unpopular clients during his legal career.

Senator Durbin’s question penetrated, just for a moment, the nominee’s cool demeanor. “The email you’re referring to is not my finest moment, blowing off steam with a friend, privately,” he replied. “The truth is, I think my career is better than that.”

Whether it has proved to be, whether the hotheaded administration lawyer has subsequently redeemed himself, is a judgment I’ll leave to others for now. But here’s a judgment I can make with confidence: If and when Senators Cruz, Graham and the rest of them seek redemption for their behavior last week, they won’t find it."
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So 50 Democrats and Collins, Murkowski and Romney. Looks like this is done. All in all, pretty sad for the most qualified nominee in some time.

Oh, and the predictable postscript:

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1511150070367985664
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:08 am So 50 Democrats and Collins, Murkowski and Romney. Looks like this is done. All in all, pretty sad for the most qualified nominee in some time.

Oh, and the predictable postscript:

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1511150070367985664


‘most qualified’ = can’t/won’t define what a woman means
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"most qualified" won't answer numbnut questions from numbnut Trump-addled Senators... GOOD FOR HER!

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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:27 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:08 am So 50 Democrats and Collins, Murkowski and Romney. Looks like this is done. All in all, pretty sad for the most qualified nominee in some time.

Oh, and the predictable postscript:

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1511150070367985664


‘most qualified’ = can’t/won’t define what a woman means



‘most qualified’ = will vote to legalize abortions to the very day of delivery
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:30 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:27 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:08 am So 50 Democrats and Collins, Murkowski and Romney. Looks like this is done. All in all, pretty sad for the most qualified nominee in some time.

Oh, and the predictable postscript:

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1511150070367985664
‘most qualified’ = can’t/won’t define what a woman means

‘most qualified’ = will vote to legalize abortions to the very day of delivery


‘most qualified’ = will vote to overturn the entire Bill of Rights, ESPECIALLY the first and second amendments
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Wow, the Stupid is, umm, insistent today. Boycott.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 am Wow, the Stupid is, umm, insistent today. Boycott.
Pretty amazingly disgusting, but of course this represents where these a-hole Senators are getting their orders.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 am Wow, the Stupid is, umm, insistent today. Boycott.




I’m forever fascinated how clueless (or obtuse?) the left is with respect to just how far the left would take things if given the chance.

KJB joins Sotomajor now as the two left lunatics whose opinions/rulings literally wouldn’t be any different than if they were Soviets of old. They will for the most part be ignored by the others, including Kagan.

There is no case far left enough where Sotomajor and KBJ won’t rule for whatever the polar opposite of American values would be.

When you throw your weight behind either, even though it might give you a temporary jolt of DNC FLP joy, you shouldn’t ever forget what it is you’re supporting.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:40 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 am Wow, the Stupid is, umm, insistent today. Boycott.
Pretty amazingly disgusting, but of course this represents where these a-hole Senators are getting their orders.
Well, Stupid is indeed the right word for the posts.
The painful thing is that I don't think these folks are actually 'stupid', it's far more purposefully evil than that.
The purposefulness is what makes it trolling IMO.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:00 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:40 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 am Wow, the Stupid is, umm, insistent today. Boycott.
Pretty amazingly disgusting, but of course this represents where these a-hole Senators are getting their orders.
Well, Stupid is indeed the right word for the posts.
The painful thing is that I don't think these folks are actually 'stupid', it's far more purposefully evil than that.
The purposefulness is what makes it trolling IMO.
Agree. it's also insightful to see the twisted, delusional reasoning of the MAGAt mind. We get that a lot from our resident troll, don't we?

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dislaxxic wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:14 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:00 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:40 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 am Wow, the Stupid is, umm, insistent today. Boycott.
Pretty amazingly disgusting, but of course this represents where these a-hole Senators are getting their orders.
Well, Stupid is indeed the right word for the posts.
The painful thing is that I don't think these folks are actually 'stupid', it's far more purposefully evil than that.
The purposefulness is what makes it trolling IMO.
Agree. it's also insightful to see the twisted, delusional reasoning of the MAGAt mind. We get that a lot from our resident troll, don't we?

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Yes. But the insidiousness of it is quite disturbing...of course, that's his intent.
It's not to persuade, much less discuss civilly.
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