There is no winner or loser. Everyone has lost.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:27 pmWe and the rest of the West are already at war, but by proxy. It's important to win it decisively. There are immense consequences of not doing so.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:22 pmYour frame of reference will take us to war.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:14 pmI don't think this is the right frame. Zelenskyy needn't offer anything Putin "will accept". Putin's military needs to be defeated. Aggression can't be rewarded.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:58 pm If Zelenskyy does not offer an escape route which Putin will accept, the US will eventually go to war in Ukraine, along with some or all of NATO.
That will provide an opportunity to see if the use of tactical nuclear weapons can be limited to the battle space.
If Putin decides to attack NATO in any way directly, he'll have made that escalation and his military will be utterly destroyed. If he goes nuclear, we should follow the playbook I suggested, providing an opportunity for the Russian military and people to revolt.
It will be a horror beyond words, but our restraint will pay enormous dividends.
Poland is already asking to send in ground forces...we need to be restrained at each step.
What's important is to end the carnage asap & not get mousetrapped like this again.
Don't give Russia (or China) the leverage to do this again.