All Things Russia & Ukraine

[Farfromgeneva]

Lauding Zelenskyy is nice. Fox was calling him pathetic just a couple of days ago for his statement asking for a peaceful solution. The same show also had the guy on who got impeached for trying to extort Zelenskyy to interfere in our election. The whole withholding security aid to Ukraine thing unless Zelenskyy announced a fake investigation into his presidential opponent.

This day was about 5 or 6 years in the making. Back when we told Russia to ignore Barry.



Russia Russia Russia!…….Russian Hoax! TDS!!

Never understood anyone in power ignoring Putin w nuclear weapons and behaving like a sociopathic rabid dog. Not Obama not Trump. We worry about Pakistan and India having nukes but not Russia with that cult of personality running the show there.

And…take them off the SWIFT system ASAP.

[MDlaxfan76]

BTW, if we're willing to provide various weaponry and training to Ukrainian insurgents, at what point do we go to drones?

If we were doing so right now, letting Ukrainians operate them, a heck of a lot of tanks could be destroyed.

Weapons carrying drones -- not a capability that can be provided quickly. Requires operator & maintainer training & experience.
They are still combat aircraft.

yup, sit a Ukrainian in the chair next to an operator, let them work the controls and they knock off tanks.

Surely we have such assets near enough...

We'd have to send in US service members &/or contractors. It's a capability that could maybe have been developed starting 6 mos ago, & that's a stretch.

You also need intel & training to maintain situational awareness & to id targets. It is actually more challenging, in that regard, than operating a manned attack aircraft. It's not just plug & play.

You'd probably know better than I do, but I'm not talking about any need to "send in" our guys and gals from anywhere other than whatever base they're currently working from. I don't care if that's in Arizona. Sit the Ukrainian newbie operators in the chair next to them and tell 'em what to do each step of the way.

Maybe there's a need for on the ground intel, but seems to me we can identify Russian tanks and convoys just fine from very far away. Right now that's what's needed to disrupt heavily the assumed easy roll by the Russians.

We're not talking about figuring out which building to hit to kill the enemy terrorist and not the civilians. that'd be a later stage, probably too late.

Ukraine purchased a number of Turkish drones & weapons systems over the past year or so and are allegedly using them to good effect. If the combat footage is real, they're doing some decent damage to Russian forces & armor with them.

I don't know if Ukraine has enough of the Turkish designed drones to make a difference. They made a deal with Turkey a few months ago to produce them in Ukraine. They've employed them in the fighting in the Donbass & they took out 1 artillery position. They're smaller, fly lower & slower, are more vulnerable & carry a less lethal weapon that the Hellfire missile fired by US made drones, which the US has been hesitant to supply for fear of proliferation.

So provide them.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Lauding Zelenskyy is nice. Fox was calling him pathetic just a couple of days ago for his statement asking for a peaceful solution. The same show also had the guy on who got impeached for trying to extort Zelenskyy to interfere in our election. The whole withholding security aid to Ukraine thing unless Zelenskyy announced a fake investigation into his presidential opponent.

This day was about 5 or 6 years in the making. Back when we told Russia to ignore Barry.



Russia Russia Russia!…….Russian Hoax! TDS!!

Thank goodness we got rid of that guy. Things are so much better now, especially for the Ukrainians.
I wonder why they waited 5 years to invade.

Ask Donald, Old Soviet. Who knows.

Maybe he's telling them he's planning to send the 200 Javelin missiles to Ukraine that Barry declined.

I don't know what Trump told them Old Soviet... neither do you.

You said that's when he told them to ignore Barry.

You need to stop being so racist.

It’s President Obama.

DocBarrister

Yeah TLD. Stop being so racist. It's President Obama to you.

Player to player…..pimp to pimp!!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Lauding Zelenskyy is nice. Fox was calling him pathetic just a couple of days ago for his statement asking for a peaceful solution. The same show also had the guy on who got impeached for trying to extort Zelenskyy to interfere in our election. The whole withholding security aid to Ukraine thing unless Zelenskyy announced a fake investigation into his presidential opponent.

This day was about 5 or 6 years in the making. Back when we told Russia to ignore Barry.



Russia Russia Russia!…….Russian Hoax! TDS!!

Never understood anyone in power ignoring Putin w nuclear weapons and behaving like a sociopathic rabid dog. Not Obama not Trump. We worry about Pakistan and India having nukes but not Russia with that cult of personality running the show there.

And…take them off the SWIFT system ASAP.

Looks like SWIFT removal is coming. We couldn’t do it on our own.

[jhu72]

Support Ukraine as they STAND AGAINST WORLD FASCISM (and Trumpism)

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[runrussellrun]

Support Ukraine as they STAND AGAINST WORLD FASCISM (and Trumpism)

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Do "we" still buy rockets from Russia, or did that program end. I will send Elon a text and ask him.

wait.....what ?

sanctions....my arse.

https://fort-russ.com/2019/06/nato-coun ... -sanction/

[runrussellrun]

Space X still uses Russian rockets........such a weird world. bring on the violence......love all the cries for killing other humans. Elon sayz high. Said I can have the EX wife too

https://vimeo.com/397655549

[Kismet]

Interesting developments -

Erdogan of Turkey has announced that Turkey will no longer allow Russian naval vessels access to the Black Sea via the Bosporus Strait.

Adam Kinsinger calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine enforced by NATO air assets.

UEFA announced that this year's Champions League Final in May will no longer take place in St. Petersburg and will be relocated to Paris.

Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich gives up control of London’s Chelsea Football Club, one of the most valuable soccer teams in the world.

Calpers Financial which manages CA state pension funds has $900 million in Russian bonds in its Emerging Markets portfolio that it purchased back in November chasing higher returns. Guess now ANY return is better than ZERO return plus possibly losing your principal as well.

Two US officials confirmed last night that Ukraine shot down a second Il-76 transport aircraft. If true, this would be a really significant mistake for the Russian military, and possibly the worst loss of life for the Russian Airborne Forces since the 2nd Chechen War.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was asked to evacuate Kyiv at the behest of the U.S. government but turned down the offer. An American official tells me Zelenskyy said, “The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.” -per AP

Hacking Group 'Anonymous' Shuts Down Russian State-Backed Television Website 30 Minutes After Declaring A Cyber War On Putin's Government

[MDlaxfan76]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

[jhu72]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

WOW!!!

Smerconish is a very sane fellow. Don't know I would equate his audience to MSNBC audience. Less left than MSNBC.

[MDlaxfan76]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much less an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

WOW!!!

Smerconish is a very sane fellow. Don't know I would equate his audience to MSNBC audience. Less left than MSNBC.

totally agree...I think I must have dropped a work "less" as in "much less"; fixed above.

A quite moderate audience. Some of the pundits on CNN draw a more left leaning audience, most all on MSNBC do so.

[Brooklyn]

How many pro war people have left the forum and enlisted in order to march off into Russia?

Always remember to send us a picture postcard once you get there.

[jhu72]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much less an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

WOW!!!

Smerconish is a very sane fellow. Don't know I would equate his audience to MSNBC audience. Less left than MSNBC.

totally agree...I think I must have dropped a work "less" as in "much less"; fixed above.

A quite moderate audience. Some of the pundits on CNN draw a more left leaning audience, most all on MSNBC do so.

Smerconish has filled in as host occasionally on MSNBC in the past. Think he was / is friend of Matthews and O'Donnell. Has appeared on both shows frequently. Probably more Matthews than O'Donnell. Matthews and Smerconish are both Philadelphia boys I believe.

[jhu72]

Germany is to send arms directly to Ukraine.

[cradleandshoot]

Germany is to send arms directly to Ukraine.

A little too late for that... Are they going to send a few leftover Stukas?

[jhu72]

Germany is to send arms directly to Ukraine.

A little too late for that... Are they going to send a few leftover Stukas?

... far from clear that it is too late.

[a fan]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

WOW!!!

Smerconish is a very sane fellow. Don't know I would equate his audience to MSNBC audience. Less left than MSNBC.

And they say we are a peaceful people.

We have learned nothing from 60 years of “optional” war.

We’ve never met a country we didn’t want to invade.

[cradleandshoot]

Germany is to send arms directly to Ukraine.

A little too late for that... Are they going to send a few leftover Stukas?

... far from clear that it is too late.

Maybe 6 months ago it may have made a difference. Who the hell knows it can't hurt. The Ukies will fight like possessed demons.

[runrussellrun]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

WOW!!!

Smerconish is a very sane fellow. Don't know I would equate his audience to MSNBC audience. Less left than MSNBC.

all this proves is that CNN's audience are warmongers and bought all the fear porn that is fed them.

Ask the poll participants how many of them are willing to send their children off to die, you might get a different response.

[old salt]

Was watching Smerconish on CNN this AM, one of the more moderate talking heads on TV...don't always agree with him, but his audience is certainly not the same as some of their other pundits, much less an MSNBC audience. Nor a Fox audience. Middle.

He does polls of his audience in real time.

Todays':

Should NATO go to war for Ukraine?

I expected maybe a 20% "yes"...in just 10 minutes the largest response ever in his polls, 38,000 + said 67% yes, 23% no.

He was shocked too.

Smerconish is a very sane fellow. Don't know I would equate his audience to MSNBC audience. Less left than MSNBC.

totally agree...I think I must have dropped a work "less" as in "much less"; fixed above.

A quite moderate audience. Some of the pundits on CNN draw a more left leaning audience, most all on MSNBC do so.

His CNN audience is hardly moderate. The polls in his show consistently skew liberal 2:1
The Ukrainians are no question winning the global video & social media war.
Show poll numbers from 2 weeks ago. Fickle.

A US &/or NATO enforced no fly zone would turn the tide but it's risky, costly & could easily escalate.
We'd have to do it from bases in Germany, Italy. Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, the Baltics, the UK & carriers in the Med & boxed in the Aegean Sea.
Russia has 3 guided missile cruiser in the E Med to threaten the 3 NATO carriers there.
It would be a gutsy call. I don't see all 30 NATO nations saying yes, but it could be a coalition of willing NATO members.