jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:59 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:44 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:32 am
jrn19 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:09 am
Don’t think only having 1 title is that much of an indictment; winning the title is hard. But 2 F4’s in 13 years in comparison to their rivals doesn’t measure up.
Since 2009, Duke has 9 F4’s. Maryland has 8. Notre Dame has 5. Denver has 5. Virginia has 5. Cuse fired Desko for 2 F4’s in that time frame, same with Petro at Hopkins. Obviously he’s achieved much more than Haus, but that was a low bar and the level of recruit he’s brought in is as high as anyone.
I dunno.
Other than UVA, any other school have as many pretty girls to be distracted by?
Seriously, UNC is a terrific school, and has attracted a lot of excellent players over the years, for sure. But I really do think that the way ratings out of HS are created created a misimpression about how talented those classes are.
I'm biased, but if you don't have an All-American goalie and/or an All-American FOGO, as well as a really good team throughout, it's more a matter of luck at making a F4. Add one or both of those and chances go up significantly.
They did have RG Keenan and Bones Kelly over that period...but...
Maryland’s had an AA FOGO for…one of their F4’s? Duke hasn’t had good goalie play before Adler in years. They won a title in 2014 with like 47% goalie play.
Even if the argument is UNC’s classes aren’t as good as their rankings…are we saying they’re still any worse or significantly worse than MD’s or Duke’s or UVA’s or Denver’s? Or ND’s? If the players they’re recruiting aren’t as good, then they’re not recruiting as well and there’s no reason UNC shouldn’t recruit as well as those schools. If they are but not getting the same results; then they’re not developing as well as them. Either way, there’s something that’s stopping them from achieving nearly the same level of results as their peer schools and it’s not the resources or the school or anything like that cause UNC has all that in spades
Are you a UNC alum?
I'm not, so I find it a bit unseemly to be critical of a program on their thread.
If UNC alums/fans want to come on here and clamor for a coaching regime change, I'm ok with that. Not seemly for fans of other programs to do so...but that's my POV.
My own sense is they run a pretty darn good, clean program that many schools would give their eye-teeth to have.
I was, however, critical of the leading participation in ER, not specific to the program but rather that I felt it was awful for the youth. I was bit sharper in my critique of the relative lions of the game who participated in the vanguard of that ever earlier progression than I was Breschi, because I felt they had the gravitas to drive rule changes. We had to wait for the women's side to finally get that done! But Breschi was indeed one of those pushing hardest ever earlier.
Whatever the reason for the minute differences between a Top 10 expected contender and one which breaks through to multiple F4's and championship wins, I'd just say that they perennially have a really tough teams to beat. In 2016 they "over performed" and in other years we could say they did not.
No, but it’s an Internet message board and everyone here is discussing UNC’s performance, so I thought I’d chime in. I also don’t think anything I’ve said is particularly critical. The results are what they are. They aren’t a perennial F4 program in a conference/with common opponents who are perennial F4 programs.
those perennial f4 programs save umd have largely disappeared since duke's last champ if we pick a more recent date. so, it's showing breschi's improved performance?
in 6 full years, we have:
duke: 3 ff's, one a tight final, one choke job semi and one blowout semi, all in the last 3 years after being absent for 3.
uva: 2 final 4s including taking it all both times after years of missing ff.
nd: 1 final 4 back in 2015, tight champ loss. not seen since.
syr: witness protection program.
unc: 2 ffs, 1 championship & a tight semi loss last year.
doesn't really seem out of line. i'd take it 2nd. years prior weren't as good, they're getting better? what have you done for me lately used to be a thing.