He was working with Natalia Korolevska.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:35 pmWas he working with one of the Tymoshenko ladies, mother or daughter ?ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:04 am A good friend of mine is a public speaking consultant who works almost exclusively with politicians. Several years ago he had the chance to spend extended time in Kyiv working with the woman candidate that was running against Putin’s puppet.
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We are about to perform the experiment with NATO.get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:12 amThe US was NATO. They held enough influence at the time to not make it a club. They could have made it a relic of a bygone day, which it looks like occurred naturally through corruption and neglect. We should not be Germany's standing army. The UN is basically the same thing. It has outlived its usefulness.jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:55 am... Peter Hitchens is out of his mind. Don't think it was so much a case of pushing NATO, as NATO being a club the locals wanted to join.get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:15 amhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... risis.htmlEssexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:05 amYes Putin was sucking Trumps dickjhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:04 amI think Putin is probably too busy now for Trump to suck his dick.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:01 am Trump was ahead of the game.
He told Germany to start to contribute their share for NATO and Europe to get off Russian oil and gas 3 years ago.
The man is a genius .
Smarter that the progressive and the neocon swamp.
We need him back now.
Now he’s f*cking Joes Butt.
From someone who lived in Russia during a pivotal time. All of this could have been avoided if a hand was extended rather than pushing the expansion of NATO to "contain" Russia. Too much invested in the "war machine" to accept a real peace dividend. I was around when we had air raid drills in elementary school, of which mine had a fallout shelter. I didn't comprehend until later what that meant, but it has informed my thinking on armed conflict ever since.
Note you do not understand my position on NATO or their paying for their defense. Don't assume you do. Same goes for the pacific alliances!
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Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
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... I think I heard the west is basically cancelling their participation. Not paying a lot of attention.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:22 am Resolve?
While the world decides what to do next UEFA is in meeting on what to do about St Petersburg hosting the Champions League final - the worlds Super Bowl. Also on what to do about Gasprom being one of its major sponsors. Perhaps they’ll even decide what to do about the two Russian teams playing in the UEFA Europa League payoffs. Zenit (St Petersburg) is playing at Betis (Sevilla) today and Spartak (Moscow) have a bye to the next round. Will any of these Russian interest face any scrutiny? There’s a lot of money involved and we know where the priorities are. Should be a slam dunk decision. Will there be resolve?
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Let's be clear that the only folks clamoring for a hot war between the US and Russia are some right wing types in media and politics...all, really 'boo Biden' as most would be backpedaling if they actually had the reins of power...meanwhile, the other cohort on the hard right is getting in line behind Trump and wants to be buddy buddy with Putin.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:21 amget it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:51 amHappy to see we agree on something. Not looking to be an isolationist, just would rather make friends than enemies.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:47 am AP-NORC poll: Most in US oppose major role in Russia strife
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 74fc622a1b
There’s little support among Americans for a major U.S. role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, according to a new poll, even as President Joe Biden imposes new sanctions and threatens a stronger response that could provoke retaliation from Moscow.
As far as I'm concerned Biden is doing far more than he should. Let's fix the problems at home. Then we can start to worry about the nonsense that goes on overseas.
For sure.
Now let us hope neither the CIA nor any other group that is interested in war suddenly contrives some scheme or false flag that results in American deaths or sabotage so that people become persuaded that another war becomes a good thing.
I'm immensely skeptical about the CIA running a false flag operation that would precipitate a hot war with our direct military involvement.
But let's not kid ourselves that Putin's ambitions don't include going back to 1945, which means incorporation of even NATO countries into his sphere of influence. He's coming for it all. And beyond throughout the world. Just a matter of time if not broken now.
And by now, I mean over an extended period of intense sanctions and a well armed insurgency. It's going to take awhile unfortunately.
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"smart people"...Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
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Join the club!!!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:35 am"smart people"...Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Now say after me “I also noticed Biden is suffering from advanced Dementia since he started campaigning.”
Then you can be among the smart!
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:34 amLet's be clear that the only folks clamoring for a hot war between the US and Russia are some right wing types in media and politics...all, really 'boo Biden' as most would be backpedaling if they actually had the reins of power...meanwhile, the other cohort on the hard right is getting in line behind Trump and wants to be buddy buddy with Putin.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:21 amget it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:51 amHappy to see we agree on something. Not looking to be an isolationist, just would rather make friends than enemies.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:47 am AP-NORC poll: Most in US oppose major role in Russia strife
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 74fc622a1b
There’s little support among Americans for a major U.S. role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, according to a new poll, even as President Joe Biden imposes new sanctions and threatens a stronger response that could provoke retaliation from Moscow.
As far as I'm concerned Biden is doing far more than he should. Let's fix the problems at home. Then we can start to worry about the nonsense that goes on overseas.
For sure.
Now let us hope neither the CIA nor any other group that is interested in war suddenly contrives some scheme or false flag that results in American deaths or sabotage so that people become persuaded that another war becomes a good thing.
I'm immensely skeptical about the CIA running a false flag operation that would precipitate a hot war with our direct military involvement.
But let's not kid ourselves that Putin's ambitions don't include going back to 1945, which means incorporation of even NATO countries into his sphere of influence. He's coming for it all. And beyond throughout the world. Just a matter of time if not broken now.
And by now, I mean over an extended period of intense sanctions and a well armed insurgency. It's going to take awhile unfortunately.
This is of course wildly incorrect.
I watched three hours of Morning Joe today. Every second of the show, every cast member, and every guest was begging for direct American involvement, all the whine incoherently blaming (wait for it…) Trump for today’s disaster. Michael McFaul, Tom Nichols, Mika, and Julia Ioffe were especially fake-pugilistic.
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Help us understand your point a bit more clearly...MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:10 amyup, the war would have never been necessary if Zelensky had just buckled and made up dirt on Hunter in exchange for weapons and Trump had won, not delivered on the weapons, and the Zelensky government had fallen.get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:05 amWarmongering at it's finest. Too bad a steady hand like Pompeo isn't running State.
No war needed, proxy state in place.
It's really, really strange to have Americans supporting a former KGB officer who murders his political opponents and free press journalists when he annexes a recognized sovereign country on his border.
Just because..."boo Biden"...
~ The Biden administration is charge, we can all agree.
~Throw out BHO's backhanded comment when Romney said Russia is our #1 threat...and also throw out Trump as Putin's secret lover (so says damned near the entire democratic party).
~ Biden puffed his chest out in 2019 and said Putin does not want to mess with me....and Putin has essentially said STFU old man.
1.) So what do you believe should have happened?
2.) Now that the wheels are in motion, what do you believe needs to happen next?
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I have no clue to whom MD is referring either.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:34 amLet's be clear that the only folks clamoring for a hot war between the US and Russia are some right wing types in media and politics...all, really 'boo Biden' as most would be backpedaling if they actually had the reins of power...meanwhile, the other cohort on the hard right is getting in line behind Trump and wants to be buddy buddy with Putin.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:21 amget it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:51 amHappy to see we agree on something. Not looking to be an isolationist, just would rather make friends than enemies.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:47 am AP-NORC poll: Most in US oppose major role in Russia strife
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 74fc622a1b
There’s little support among Americans for a major U.S. role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, according to a new poll, even as President Joe Biden imposes new sanctions and threatens a stronger response that could provoke retaliation from Moscow.
As far as I'm concerned Biden is doing far more than he should. Let's fix the problems at home. Then we can start to worry about the nonsense that goes on overseas.
For sure.
Now let us hope neither the CIA nor any other group that is interested in war suddenly contrives some scheme or false flag that results in American deaths or sabotage so that people become persuaded that another war becomes a good thing.
I'm immensely skeptical about the CIA running a false flag operation that would precipitate a hot war with our direct military involvement.
But let's not kid ourselves that Putin's ambitions don't include going back to 1945, which means incorporation of even NATO countries into his sphere of influence. He's coming for it all. And beyond throughout the world. Just a matter of time if not broken now.
And by now, I mean over an extended period of intense sanctions and a well armed insurgency. It's going to take awhile unfortunately.
This is of course wildly incorrect.
I watched three hours of Morning Joe today. Every second of the show, every cast member, and every guest was begging for direct American involvement, all the whine incoherently blaming (wait for it…) Trump for today’s disaster. Michael McFaul, Tom Nichols, Mika, and Julia Ioffe were especially fake-pugilistic.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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Joe doesn’t even know where he is. So let’s just get that out of the way.
What we should do now is ask Trump what to do and then do it. He’s the only one who gets it
What we should do now is ask Trump what to do and then do it. He’s the only one who gets it
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I think trolling stupidity ain't smart.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:37 amJoin the club!!!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:35 am"smart people"...Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Now say after me “I also noticed Biden is suffering from advanced Dementia since he started campaigning.”
Then you can be among the smart!
Biden seems more than competent to me.
I'm rooting for his success in this matter, why aren't you?
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Proving my point. Trolling stupidity.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:45 am Joe doesn’t even know where he is. So let’s just get that out of the way.
What we should do now is ask Trump what to do and then do it. He’s the only one who gets it
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You are "drilling a dry well". We should take care of our own borders. American sovereignty is not high on the list for Globalists/Corporatists. And before I get labeled a jingoist or some other name, I would happily double the amount of legal immigration and citizenship if we could assimilate them into our culture, work ethic and freedoms, not our welfare state.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:37 amJoin the club!!!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:35 am"smart people"...Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Now say after me “I also noticed Biden is suffering from advanced Dementia since he started campaigning.”
Then you can be among the smart!
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... it is clear the Trumpnista don't understand the danger that Putin represents. It seems, we will see if true, that NATO has been reinvigorated.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:34 amLet's be clear that the only folks clamoring for a hot war between the US and Russia are some right wing types in media and politics...all, really 'boo Biden' as most would be backpedaling if they actually had the reins of power...meanwhile, the other cohort on the hard right is getting in line behind Trump and wants to be buddy buddy with Putin.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:21 amget it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:51 amHappy to see we agree on something. Not looking to be an isolationist, just would rather make friends than enemies.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:47 am AP-NORC poll: Most in US oppose major role in Russia strife
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 74fc622a1b
There’s little support among Americans for a major U.S. role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, according to a new poll, even as President Joe Biden imposes new sanctions and threatens a stronger response that could provoke retaliation from Moscow.
As far as I'm concerned Biden is doing far more than he should. Let's fix the problems at home. Then we can start to worry about the nonsense that goes on overseas.
For sure.
Now let us hope neither the CIA nor any other group that is interested in war suddenly contrives some scheme or false flag that results in American deaths or sabotage so that people become persuaded that another war becomes a good thing.
I'm immensely skeptical about the CIA running a false flag operation that would precipitate a hot war with our direct military involvement.
But let's not kid ourselves that Putin's ambitions don't include going back to 1945, which means incorporation of even NATO countries into his sphere of influence. He's coming for it all. And beyond throughout the world. Just a matter of time if not broken now.
And by now, I mean over an extended period of intense sanctions and a well armed insurgency. It's going to take awhile unfortunately.
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deh lazy.get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:48 amYou are "drilling a dry well". We should take care of our own borders. American sovereignty is not high on the list for Globalists/Corporatists. And before I get labeled a jingoist or some other name, I would happily double the amount of legal immigration and citizenship if we could assimilate them into our culture, work ethic and freedoms, not our welfare state.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:37 amJoin the club!!!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:35 am"smart people"...Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Now say after me “I also noticed Biden is suffering from advanced Dementia since he started campaigning.”
Then you can be among the smart!
“I wish you would!”
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... Trump was giving Putin everything he wanted, including weakening Ukraine. Child.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
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You're right, what they're clamoring about is that "Biden is weak", we should impose much harsher sanctions earlier and we should move many more troops into place, many more weapons. Biden is actually doing all that but they want more, faster, at each step. The Tom Cotton sorts.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:43 amI have no clue to whom MD is referring either.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:41 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:34 amLet's be clear that the only folks clamoring for a hot war between the US and Russia are some right wing types in media and politics...all, really 'boo Biden' as most would be backpedaling if they actually had the reins of power...meanwhile, the other cohort on the hard right is getting in line behind Trump and wants to be buddy buddy with Putin.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:21 amget it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:51 amHappy to see we agree on something. Not looking to be an isolationist, just would rather make friends than enemies.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:47 am AP-NORC poll: Most in US oppose major role in Russia strife
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 74fc622a1b
There’s little support among Americans for a major U.S. role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, according to a new poll, even as President Joe Biden imposes new sanctions and threatens a stronger response that could provoke retaliation from Moscow.
As far as I'm concerned Biden is doing far more than he should. Let's fix the problems at home. Then we can start to worry about the nonsense that goes on overseas.
For sure.
Now let us hope neither the CIA nor any other group that is interested in war suddenly contrives some scheme or false flag that results in American deaths or sabotage so that people become persuaded that another war becomes a good thing.
I'm immensely skeptical about the CIA running a false flag operation that would precipitate a hot war with our direct military involvement.
But let's not kid ourselves that Putin's ambitions don't include going back to 1945, which means incorporation of even NATO countries into his sphere of influence. He's coming for it all. And beyond throughout the world. Just a matter of time if not broken now.
And by now, I mean over an extended period of intense sanctions and a well armed insurgency. It's going to take awhile unfortunately.
This is of course wildly incorrect.
I watched three hours of Morning Joe today. Every second of the show, every cast member, and every guest was begging for direct American involvement, all the whine incoherently blaming (wait for it…) Trump for today’s disaster. Michael McFaul, Tom Nichols, Mika, and Julia Ioffe were especially fake-pugilistic.
It's really just "Boo Biden", but that's where the highest heat to do more, faster is coming from.
And the highest heat that we shouldn't be involved at all is coming from the other part of the hard right, Trumpist sorts vying for his approval. But they're also joined by some of the left, which is probably more muted because Biden is POTUS.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:50 amdeh lazy.get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:48 amYou are "drilling a dry well". We should take care of our own borders. American sovereignty is not high on the list for Globalists/Corporatists. And before I get labeled a jingoist or some other name, I would happily double the amount of legal immigration and citizenship if we could assimilate them into our culture, work ethic and freedoms, not our welfare state.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:37 amJoin the club!!!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:35 am"smart people"...Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Now say after me “I also noticed Biden is suffering from advanced Dementia since he started campaigning.”
Then you can be among the smart!
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Putin only attacks when Biden or Obama are running things. Trump knew how to handle people and look out for US interests.jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:53 am... Trump was giving Putin everything he wanted, including weakening Ukraine. Child.Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:31 am Trump was so soft that Putin only attacked anyone when Biden or Obama was running things.
Smart people notice actions and results. (And also notice the leader of the free world has advanced dementia).
Not so smart people spin to hide embarrassment.
Obama said Russia was 1980s foreign policy. Biden was against George HW desert storm success and for GW bushes WMD failure.
Those men are stupid and they will never forgive Trump for showing that to the people.