January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[CU88]

I assume that all of the r's here are sending money to their hero!

"Sydney Powell send out a new plea for cash this morning, saying she has “heard stories” that Capitol Police opened the doors to the building then fired tear gas behind people to “force them into the Capitol,” and needs funds to further investigate"

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 4978694151

[seacoaster]

I assume that all of the r's here are sending money to their hero!

"Sydney Powell send out a new plea for cash this morning, saying she has “heard stories” that Capitol Police opened the doors to the building then fired tear gas behind people to “force them into the Capitol,” and needs funds to further investigate"

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 4978694151

The grifty gall of this odious person.

[PizzaSnake]

I assume that all of the r's here are sending money to their hero!

"Sydney Powell send out a new plea for cash this morning, saying she has “heard stories” that Capitol Police opened the doors to the building then fired tear gas behind people to “force them into the Capitol,” and needs funds to further investigate"

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 4978694151

The grifty gall of this odious person.

Grifters gonna grift; it’s who they are.

[dislaxxic]

HOW JUDGE AMIT MEHTA ARGUED IT PLAUSIBLE THAT TRUMP CONSPIRED WITH TWO MILITIAS

As Judge Mehta laid out, accepting the claims alleged as true (which one must do on motions to dismiss), there were five things Trump did that made the plaintiffs’ claims of a conspiracy plausible, which is the standard required to reject the motion to dismiss:

- They agreed to pursue the goal of disrupting the vote certification: “The President, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and others “pursu[ed] the same goal”: to disrupt Congress from completing the Electoral College certification on January 6th.”

- Trump encouraged means of obstructing the vote count and the militias (and others) carried them out: “He knew the respective roles of the conspirators: his was to encourage the use of force, intimidation, or threats to thwart the Certification from proceeding, and organized groups such as the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers would carry out the required acts.”

- Trump incited law-breaking: “Based on these allegations, it is reasonable to infer that before January 6th the President would have known about the power of his words and that, when asked, some of his supporters would do as he wished. On January 6th they did so. When he called on them to march to the Capitol, some responded, “Storm the Capitol.” Thousands marched down Pennsylvania Avenue as directed. And, when some were inside the Capitol, they told officers, “We were invited here by the President of the United States.”

- Trump called for collective action: “Fourth, the President’s January 6 Rally Speech can reasonably be viewed as a call for collective action. The President’s regular use of the word “we” is notable.”

- Trump ratified the riot: “And then, around 6:00 p.m., after law enforcement had cleared the building, the President issued the following tweet: ‘These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!’ A reasonable observer could read that tweet as ratifying the violence and other illegal acts that took place at the Capitol only hours earlier.”

Laying out the conspiracy like this is the easy part.

The hard part is finding that the sitting President could be sued, and could be sued substantially for his speech.

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[dislaxxic]

And the beat goes on...

JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

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[Peter Brown]

And the beat goes on...

JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

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Marcy has Trump now!!! I mean, the previous 7,000x she had him should not weigh on anyone’s assessment of her mental and emotional capacity.

[MDlaxfan76]

And the beat goes on...

JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

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Marcy has Trump now!!! I mean, the previous 7,000x she had him should not weigh on anyone’s assessment of her mental and emotional capacity.

But yours is another matter.

Do you actually have a substantive disagreement with her analysis of the Judge's ruling?

[Peter Brown]

And the beat goes on...

JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

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Marcy has Trump now!!! I mean, the previous 7,000x she had him should not weigh on anyone’s assessment of her mental and emotional capacity.

But yours is another matter.

Do you actually have a substantive disagreement with her analysis of the Judge's ruling?

I’m not saying she’s a verifiable lunatic, but the fact remains that once she tweeted that she was about to be abducted (didn’t quite occur!! ) and then another time proudly claimed she turned in a confidential source to the fbi…even though she purports to be a journalist (journalists aren’t supposed to work with the state, in case you didn’t know).

Marci has a rather ‘intriguing’ view of herself. She’s like Heather Cox Richardson and Aaron Rupar, all of whom are liberally (pun not intended) quoted here at Fanlax, complete mental baskets whose time under Trump apparently broke them irretrievably.

In this particular case, I have not read the judges decision, whatever it is and whatever it’s about, nor shall I. It’s irrelevant to all human beings except for the partisan left who seemingly can not let go of one Donald John Trump!

I’m hoping your squad finally nails the guy! You’ve been talking about it for 6 years now, so if it turns out you’re unable to remove the guy from the public square, perhaps it’s time to remove your team from the public square for wasting everyone’s time for 6+ years?

[MDlaxfan76]

I want him held accountable for his actions and so should you.

[old salt]

Go get him Inspector Javert. 5 years of public flogging was insufficient punishment.

[MDlaxfan76]

Go get him Inspector Javert. 5 years of public flogging was insufficient punishment.

Absolutely insufficient for the crimes he committed.
He's impervious to shame and has instead profited personally from his crimes.

I don't think this specific legal case is what will be the mechanism, but it's indeed interesting that he's not immune to civil penalties.

[dislaxxic]

JUDGE MEHTA OBSERVES THAT ROGER STONE’S ROLE ON JANUARY 6 “MAY PROVE SIGNIFICANT IN DISCOVERY”

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[runrussellrun]

And the beat goes on...

JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

..

Marcy has Trump now!!! I mean, the previous 7,000x she had him should not weigh on anyone’s assessment of her mental and emotional capacity.

But yours is another matter.

Do you actually have a substantive disagreement with her analysis of the Judge's ruling?

as you already know and NOTHING will happen.

How YOUR post can't be considered a direct, PERSONAL attack, which, according to you is, against the rules.......



Something "weird" is going on

[MDlaxfan76]

And the beat goes on...

JUDGE MEHTA’S RULING THAT DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE AIDED AND ABETTED ASSAULTS ON COPS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS CONSPIRACY DECISION

Judge Mehta has good reason to suspect (and likely knows far more about how serious this plot was) that the Oath Keepers, after busting into the Capitol past Hemby, took steps to hunt down Nancy Pelosi, and possibly someone in the Senate, like Pence.

When Judge Mehta says he thinks it is plausible that Donald Trump abetted assaults and threatened assaults at the Capitol, he’s not speaking abstractly. Judge Mehta has a very specific understanding of the kinds of assaults that happened that day. Those were violent attacks on cops — several allegedly committed by military veterans and one by a retired NYPD cop. Those include a gratuitous attack on the media. It includes an attempt to hunt down the Speaker of the House.

With this ruling, Trump may be on the hook for such assaults civilly.

But given that the judge presiding over some spectacularly violent assaults that day has judged that Trump’s actions may rise to an aid and abet standard, it may make DOJ more seriously consider Trump’s exposure for such acts criminally.

..

Marcy has Trump now!!! I mean, the previous 7,000x she had him should not weigh on anyone’s assessment of her mental and emotional capacity.

But yours is another matter.

Do you actually have a substantive disagreement with her analysis of the Judge's ruling?

as you already know and NOTHING will happen.

How YOUR post can't be considered a direct, PERSONAL attack, which, according to you is, against the rules.......



Something "weird" is going on

hah, you're right for once. A blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile.

That too certainly at least borders on a "personal attack" and if you think it's too egregious, too personal, too nasty, report me.

Note that you are attacking me in your "addition" rather than actually discussing the topic. I don't think that warrants a report, though.

My view of Petey is that he's all negative, all nasty, all the time, constantly trolling for a reaction, bobbing and weaving and deflecting when asked a direct question. Note, he didn't answer this one either.

He just moves onto the next extreme statement...Putinesque.

I don't see a substantive disagreement of the analysis from you, either.
Do you have one?

Go ahead and disagree, that's what makes a discussion. Made sense to me.

And, no, as I've also posted, I don't think this particular approach is what will ultimately cost Trump much, though it's certainly interesting that he's not immune to civil penalties. It may also put him in the witness chair, which would at a minimum be interesting. He'd most likely take the 5th, or certainly that would be a competent lawyer's counsel.

But it's interesting.

[MDlaxfan76]

JUDGE MEHTA OBSERVES THAT ROGER STONE’S ROLE ON JANUARY 6 “MAY PROVE SIGNIFICANT IN DISCOVERY”

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And that indeed may well prove even more interesting.

Discovery moves forward.

[MDlaxfan76]

SCOTUS decides: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/22/politics ... index.html

[6ftstick]

Go get him Inspector Javert. 5 years of public flogging was insufficient punishment.

Absolutely insufficient for the crimes he committed.
He's impervious to shame and has instead profited personally from his crimes.

I don't think this specific legal case is what will be the mechanism, but it's indeed interesting that he's not immune to civil penalties.

You're as transparent as your ineptocrats in the inteligence community. Like you they swore to anyone holding a microphone that there was sufficient proof Trump was quilty of everything he was accused of. Then they'd go into closed sessions and swear under oathe that they'd seen NO EVIDENCE of same. You got nothin. 6 years out you got nothin. I'm ashamed of myself for coming back here to look around. Nothings changed.

Trump didn' halt domestic energy production and allow the price of oil—the only prosduct Putin has to sell to go from $20 a barrell to close to $100. Infusing cas into a dying economy.Look where we are now. BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN the tree stump you clowns wanted elected.

[MDlaxfan76]

Go get him Inspector Javert. 5 years of public flogging was insufficient punishment.

Absolutely insufficient for the crimes he committed.
He's impervious to shame and has instead profited personally from his crimes.

I don't think this specific legal case is what will be the mechanism, but it's indeed interesting that he's not immune to civil penalties.

You're as transparent as your ineptocrats in the inteligence community. Like you they swore to anyone holding a microphone that there was sufficient proof Trump was quilty of everything he was accused of. Then they'd go into closed sessions and swear under oathe that they'd seen NO EVIDENCE of same. You got nothin. 6 years out you got nothin. I'm ashamed of myself for coming back here to look around. Nothings changed.

Trump didn' halt domestic energy production and allow the price of oil—the only prosduct Putin has to sell to go from $20 a barrell to close to $100. Infusing cas into a dying economy.Look where we are now. BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN the tree stump you clowns wanted elected.

huh, you actually believe this baloney 6ft?
I mean, really?

You're not just trolling this mind numbing, all angry, stuff?

Let's just take your oil nonsense. "halt domestic energy production"??? The US is producing more than ever before. Fact.

It is true that during Trump's tenure, however, new oil and gas exploration plummeted, but I'm not blaming that on Trump...that was a Covid effect.

Are you aware that oil prices per barrel are more than 30% below their peak of a little over a decade ago? And pretty close to the peak after two years of Trump tenure, only got crushed due to Covid?

Oil prices will indeed rise due to Putin's moves, that's gonna be a cost as Russia gets removed or at least greatly reduced in its ability to distribute its supplies. But of course, that will also lead to investments in bringing other reserves online (the US is #11 in actual reserves, though we produce and consume 20%) as well as major new investments in alternatives. It's going to push Germany, for instance, to dramatically increase their investments in alternatives.

But are you just pushing out angry stuff you saw on your right wing hate feeds?

[Peter Brown]

Go get him Inspector Javert. 5 years of public flogging was insufficient punishment.

Absolutely insufficient for the crimes he committed.
He's impervious to shame and has instead profited personally from his crimes.

I don't think this specific legal case is what will be the mechanism, but it's indeed interesting that he's not immune to civil penalties.

You're as transparent as your ineptocrats in the inteligence community. Like you they swore to anyone holding a microphone that there was sufficient proof Trump was quilty of everything he was accused of. Then they'd go into closed sessions and swear under oathe that they'd seen NO EVIDENCE of same. You got nothin. 6 years out you got nothin. I'm ashamed of myself for coming back here to look around. Nothings changed.

Trump didn' halt domestic energy production and allow the price of oil—the only prosduct Putin has to sell to go from $20 a barrell to close to $100. Infusing cas into a dying economy.Look where we are now. BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN the tree stump you clowns wanted elected.

What MD will fail to understand is, when the average Joe goes to fill up his tank of gasoline for $100 under Biden versus $40 under Trump, average Joe understands this math.

It doesn’t matter how much you try to spin our way out of it, wallets and pocketbooks do not lie to the guy paying.

And he and she will vote accordingly.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Go get him Inspector Javert. 5 years of public flogging was insufficient punishment.

Absolutely insufficient for the crimes he committed.
He's impervious to shame and has instead profited personally from his crimes.

I don't think this specific legal case is what will be the mechanism, but it's indeed interesting that he's not immune to civil penalties.

You're as transparent as your ineptocrats in the inteligence community. Like you they swore to anyone holding a microphone that there was sufficient proof Trump was quilty of everything he was accused of. Then they'd go into closed sessions and swear under oathe that they'd seen NO EVIDENCE of same. You got nothin. 6 years out you got nothin. I'm ashamed of myself for coming back here to look around. Nothings changed.

Trump didn' halt domestic energy production and allow the price of oil—the only prosduct Putin has to sell to go from $20 a barrell to close to $100. Infusing cas into a dying economy.Look where we are now. BIDEN BIDEN BIDEN the tree stump you clowns wanted elected.

What percentage is that? Use a decimal….

https://www.audubon.org/news/despite-pl ... nder-biden

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/10/ener ... index.html