ok, if you're forcing me to guess as you're guessing -- you're looking at it wrong.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:08 pmI'd take the disagreement a lot better if you could share what you think has led to these reduced numbers. "I don't know" is....not much of a answer, and ignores very obvious realities, imho.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:44 pm didn't post to the first reply to this, so will to the 2nd/facsimile. you have > than 50% of blue america not vaccinating their kids bc they are unwittingly reading right wing disinformation. fine. that's a large chunk of america that hasn't made a choice like that or been "hoodwinked" prior, but there's no way for either of us to prove or disprove that. and we'll never agree.
And yes, getting pounded with disinformation for two years straight, 24/7 is going to change peoples minds, regardless of political bent. This, too, seems obvious to me.
Yes. But where did this attitude come from? The Rural Counties in Colorado were hit HARD by Covid over the last two years. Everyone knows someone who died from Covid. And these rural Americans were ALWAYS about working together for their tiny communities.......much more so than city folk.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:44 pm as long as we're speculating, i'll go with it's a much more likely scenario that a larger factor is they're making the decision(s) based on their little universe and not for the saving of hospital space, overworked healthcare professionals, economy or other people's grandmas. as has been the running theme here. they are simply proving they don't care nearly as much about those things as little johnny and jane.
So I ask again: what moved them away from this sense of small town community? As I said....30 years ago? These rural communities would be having vaccination drives at the local HS, with the football team and the cheerleaders serving coffee and donuts. Something led to a drastic change in this behavior, and community-mindedness. For me, the source of this change is obvious. You don't need data. You just need to actually talk with these people.
Can you rephrase this paragraph. I don't understand it.
we're 90% on other vaxxes in part because that's what they need to get into school. lots of parents follow their pediatrician's advice, do the schedule, yada. not all of them do.
when they find out what they have to do (or if it's told to them in year 2 or 4 that's what they'll have to have)... boom. vaccinate them. they don't wantonly go into doctor's offices saying i heard there's a mumps vaccine out there available now, where do i sign up?
is the covid vaccine mandatory for attending k-12 @ this time like those other vaccines you talk about?
next, you can call it misinformation all day long, but that won't change how the numbers for bad outcomes are exponentially higher in older people than younger people. our vaccination rates reflect that. throw in the social and educational cost that we have put on kids, and there's little doubt this isn't any old generic vaccine.... people have an opinion on the whole covid thing, vs none in the case of other vaxxes attached to a disease.
and baking cookies is different than pulling someone out of a burning building.