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Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
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Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
(This has a "New Jersey" feel to it, eh CO?)

I realize Charlotte North is a polarizing figure, but criticism of her and her game at this point just seems like sour grapes and apropos of something Shakespeare wrote: "...full of sound and fury signifying nothing." The same goes for criticism of BC and the way they are currently playing. They are demonstrating that their ascension to the Summit was no fluke. They are this good.

Women's lacrosse these days has plenty who are great at assisting their teammates. Why, just yesterday Rutgers Steph Kelly dished 4 helpers to her teammates. The other day Stanford's Ashley Humphery dished 8! in the win over UAlbany. All to say, certain players are gifted at feeding and that's their role on the team, and certain players like Charlotte North, Izzy Scane, TT Naslonski and Annabel Frist are gifted at scoring, and that's their role on the team. If you think the ride is gone from the game, you obviously didn't tune into the Ohio State/Cincinnati game yesterday. Coach Bokker had the Buckeyes consistently redefending with tenacity and ferocity. Tune into the Hop game vs Loyola this weekend. I'm reasonably sure the Blue Jays will be riding strong as it is one of the things coach Tucker stresses. I'm sure I could comb through some recent games and find plenty of players scooping ground balls, as well.

We are in the golden age of women's lacrosse, Lax247. Why so cynical?
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:38 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
(This has a "New Jersey" feel to it, eh CO?)

I realize Charlotte North is a polarizing figure, but criticism of her and her game at this point just seems like sour grapes and apropos of something Shakespeare wrote: "...full of sound and fury signifying nothing." The same goes for criticism of BC and the way they are currently playing. They are demonstrating that their ascension to the Summit was no fluke. They are this good.

Women's lacrosse these days has plenty who are great at assisting their teammates. Why, just yesterday Rutgers Steph Kelly dished 4 helpers to her teammates. The other day Stanford's Ashley Humphery dished 8! in the win over UAlbany. All to say, certain players are gifted at feeding and that's their role on the team, and certain players like Charlotte North, Izzy Scane, TT Naslonski and Annabel Frist are gifted at scoring, and that's their role on the team. If you think the ride is gone from the game, you obviously didn't tune into the Ohio State/Cincinnati game yesterday. Coach Bokker had the Buckeyes consistently redefending with tenacity and ferocity. Tune into the Hop game vs Loyola this weekend. I'm reasonably sure the Blue Jays will be riding strong as it is one of the things coach Tucker stresses. I'm sure I could comb through some recent games and find plenty of players scooping ground balls, as well.

We are in the golden age of women's lacrosse, Lax247. Why so cynical?
Nice gratuitous jab at NJBill? I still lament the departure of one of the most informed, well-spoken posters we had on this small board.
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Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
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tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
Yes this ^ no reason CW or CN as starters should even be in end of game and scoring - stat padding….let’s call a spade a spade . Let the other kids play…they put in a lot of work.
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Lax247 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:17 am
tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
Yes this ^ no reason CW or CN as starters should even be in end of game and scoring - stat padding….let’s call a spade a spade . Let the other kids play…they put in a lot of work.
In order to break her scoring record from last year, she will need to remain in every game until the end, shooting.
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8meterPA wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:21 am
Lax247 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:17 am
tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
Yes this ^ no reason CW or CN as starters should even be in end of game and scoring - stat padding….let’s call a spade a spade . Let the other kids play…they put in a lot of work.
In order to break her scoring record from last year, she will need to remain in every game until the end, shooting.
I guess Acacia and her teamates are fine with that.
My kids coach and teamates would not be.
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Lax247 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:31 am
I guess Acacia and her teamates are fine with that.
My kids coach and teamates would not be.
This is important. With possibility of injury and lack of other player development, it makes zero sense to me to do what BC or Duke has done when so far ahead of the other teams. Leaving starters in for more than half the 3rd quarter seems to be taking a risk with those players and exposing the coaches to criticism....not a win/win.
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IMO there are a lot of reasons to not like the late game stat padding. Hopefully it doesn't bite a team in the behind.
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Dr. Tact wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:44 am
Lax247 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:31 am
I guess Acacia and her teamates are fine with that.
My kids coach and teamates would not be.
This is important. With possibility of injury and lack of other player development, it makes zero sense to be to do what BC or Duke has done when so far ahead of the other teams. Leaving starters in for more than half the 3rd quarter seems to be taking a risk with those players and exposing the coaches to criticism....not a win/win.
^^ also this . I guess it could be said that CW is in to help gel chemistry with younger players for next year but North? No way or any other 5th year that starts . I mean sure occasionally it happens players stay in late but I would hope they are trying to set up other players for success . Not just scoring at will because they can.
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tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
I agree with everything you say here regarding the comportment of a team and its players in a blowout.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:28 am
tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
I agree with everything you say here regarding the comportment of a team and its players in a blowout.
Starters should not even be in the game in the 4th quarter in a blowout win. If they are in the game they should be in a supportive role and not be the ones scoring the 20th + goal in a blowout. It just does not sit right with me. Use your benches more effectively.
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:18 am Nice gratuitous jab at NJBill? I still lament the departure of one of the most informed, well-spoken posters we had on this small board.
I wouldn’t say it was a jab at njbill so much as an inside joke, in addition to connecting him with other irrational opinions about Charlotte North.

For the record, I miss him too. I got along fine with Jersey Bill until I called him out on his North stance toward the end of his time here. But let’s all be real, shall we? He was anything but informed or well-spoken when it came to assessing Charlotte North. He went to ridiculous lengths to discredit her performance and accomplishments.

And seacoaster—if you were more fair and unbiased in your finger wagging it would carry more weight with me. But you are very selective in those you call out on this board.

Why are you never heard from when others make gratuitous remarks? Sexist comments that denigrate women, insensitive remarks about mental illness (which you have been guilty of) or even slanderous remarks—nary a whisper is heard from you. But by golly you’re always Johnny-on-the-spot when I say something that you deem improper.

You obviously fancy yourself a kind of moral compass on this board. I think your instrument is due for a recalibration.
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Brownlax wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:39 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:28 am
tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
I agree with everything you say here regarding the comportment of a team and its players in a blowout.
Starters should not even be in the game in the 4th quarter in a blowout win. If they are in the game they should be in a supportive role and not be the ones scoring the 20th + goal in a blowout. It just does not sit right with me. Use your benches more effectively.
seems like leaving starters in is a fairly consistent phenomena across the top teams.
some are worse than others..........
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:56 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:18 am Nice gratuitous jab at NJBill? I still lament the departure of one of the most informed, well-spoken posters we had on this small board.
I wouldn’t say it was a jab at njbill so much as an inside joke, in addition to connecting him with other irrational opinions about Charlotte North.

For the record, I miss him too. I got along fine with Jersey Bill until I called him out on his North stance toward the end of his time here. But let’s all be real, shall we? He was anything but informed or well-spoken when it came to assessing Charlotte North. He went to ridiculous lengths to discredit her performance and accomplishments.

And seacoaster—if you were more fair and unbiased in your finger wagging it would carry more weight with me. But you are very selective in those you call out on this board.

Why are you never heard from when others make gratuitous remarks? Sexist comments that denigrate women, insensitive remarks about mental illness (which you have been guilty of) or even slanderous remarks—nary a whisper is heard from you. But by golly you’re always Johnny-on-the-spot when I say something that you deem improper.

You obviously fancy yourself a kind of moral compass on this board. I think your instrument is due for a recalibration.
I'm not really seeing the distinction between an inside joke and a jab; the result is pretty much the same: you trolling a guy who hasn't had any impact on you for a year or so. It's small -- like you. I like Bill and consider him a friend, and miss his insights and commentary, even where -- as in the case of North -- I disagree with it. You seem get along with everyone...until you don't and then you insist on republishing the rules and mission of Fanlax and providing the addendum that you can "say what you want." I get that; you can. No one says you can't.

At the same time, folks -- including me -- can apply their own moral compass to the things others post. I am emphatically not a moral compass "on this board." And the "weight" my opinion carries with you: nothing, really, could be more irrelevant to me. But I have my compass, and I try to be true to it. And gratuitous discourtesy just to, say, tell an inside joke, doesn't strike me, anyway, as a nice thing. I am sorry you think that my moral compass has allowed "denigrating" remarks to go unchecked. Not sure when or where I made an insensitive remark about mental illness. You really don't know much about me, and we will certainly try to keep it that way.
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Bart wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:44 pm
Brownlax wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:39 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:28 am
tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
Takeaways from this post:
UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
I agree with everything you say here regarding the comportment of a team and its players in a blowout.
Starters should not even be in the game in the 4th quarter in a blowout win. If they are in the game they should be in a supportive role and not be the ones scoring the 20th + goal in a blowout. It just does not sit right with me. Use your benches more effectively.
seems like leaving starters in is a fairly consistent phenomena across the top teams.
some are worse than others..........
Bart is right. Please don't be hating on CN and AWW when everyone is doing this. I don't like this approach better than anyone else here, but the best coaches in the world are behind it, so I have to defer to them. Here are a few examples from this year already:

* Jamie Biskup scored her 6th goal of the game for UVA in the fourth quarter of a blowout 18-5 win over Cal.

* Caitlyn Wurzburger scored in the fourth quarter in a 20-7 UNC win over Furman.

* Erin Coykendall scored her sixth goal of the game in the fourth quarter in a 24-13 win over Marquette.

* Sam Swart scored a man-up goal late in the fourth quarter to give Syracuse a 22-5 lead over Binghamton.

* (Cover your eyes for this one, Doc.) Since Loyola hasn’t played yet this year – Livy Rosenzweig scored her fifth goal of the game late in the second half of an 18-6 win over Nova in early March last year.

Again, I disagree with this approach for many reasons, but show me a blowout win and I will show you a starter scoring late in the game these days. Although I disagree with leaving these folks in the game (see Dylan Molloy costing Brown a legit 2016 national championship chance by staying in during garbage time), I think there is an exception for early season contests. Even the top teams are trying to get themselves tested in true games rather than practice simulations. Swart scoring on man-up may be a good example of that rationale.

Where I take exception to this line of criticism is when one player is singled out. Hate the play, not the players.

And FTR, I also wish that NJBill was still on these boards. He was a fun and knowledgeable sparring partner, even though he went too far too often in his criticism of CN last year. No one tunes into sports radio to hear two hosts agree all the time. A little bit of controversy generates the dozens of clicks we have here.
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Can Opener wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:02 pm
Bart wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:44 pm
Brownlax wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:39 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:28 am
tothedraw wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 am
Lax247 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pm Wow. After watching a fall scrimmage, I expected a very powerful BC team, but this is remarkable stuff. They have now beaten two top 25 teams by a combined score of 40-14. CN has as many goals personally as their two opponents have combined. Hall seemed like the biggest question mark coming into this season, with BC supporters wondering if she could build on her UNC performance in the playoffs. Wonder no more. So far she is off to a great start. It is hard not to look past the next six games to the showdown with Carolina in Chestnut Hill on March 20.
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UMass average team at best . Top 25…after first 12-14th ranked teams - very average ….after 20…come on
North…still shooting and scoring goals in blowout 3rd quarter ? Not even trying to assist teamates ? Just rubs me the wrong way. I’m sure my opinion is not shared by anyone else. That’s ok. I understand women’s lacrosse is only about scoring now, not assists, ride, ground balls…. Our coaches take out starters before halftime typically so others can play.
I share your opinion. And it's not sour grapes, ONW, it's 35 years of playing, coaching and raising lacrosse players and forming my own view on how players/teams should handle a blowout. I also rolled my eyes at CW at UNC trying a hot dog btb (going for her 4th) with 6 minutes left in Furman blowout.

I just like it more when these players score a much needed goal in an important contest against an equal opponent. Those are the fun goals to watch.

And I miss NJBill as well, that man knew his stuff.
I agree with everything you say here regarding the comportment of a team and its players in a blowout.
Starters should not even be in the game in the 4th quarter in a blowout win. If they are in the game they should be in a supportive role and not be the ones scoring the 20th + goal in a blowout. It just does not sit right with me. Use your benches more effectively.
seems like leaving starters in is a fairly consistent phenomena across the top teams.
some are worse than others..........
Bart is right. Please don't be hating on CN and AWW when everyone is doing this. I don't like this approach better than anyone else here, but the best coaches in the world are behind it, so I have to defer to them. Here are a few examples from this year already:

* Jamie Biskup scored her 6th goal of the game for UVA in the fourth quarter of a blowout 18-5 win over Cal.

* Caitlyn Wurzburger scored in the fourth quarter in a 20-7 UNC win over Furman.

* Erin Coykendall scored her sixth goal of the game in the fourth quarter in a 24-13 win over Marquette.

* Sam Swart scored a man-up goal late in the fourth quarter to give Syracuse a 22-5 lead over Binghamton.

* (Cover your eyes for this one, Doc.) Since Loyola hasn’t played yet this year – Livy Rosenzweig scored her fifth goal of the game late in the second half of an 18-6 win over Nova in early March last year.

Again, I disagree with this approach for many reasons, but show me a blowout win and I will show you a starter scoring late in the game these days. Although I disagree with leaving these folks in the game (see Dylan Molloy costing Brown a legit 2016 national championship chance by staying in during garbage time), I think there is an exception for early season contests. Even the top teams are trying to get themselves tested in true games rather than practice simulations. Swart scoring on man-up may be a good example of that rationale.

Where I take exception to this line of criticism is when one player is singled out. Hate the play, not the players.

And FTR, I also wish that NJBill was still on these boards. He was a fun and knowledgeable sparring partner, even though he went too far too often in his criticism of CN last year. No one tunes into sports radio to hear two hosts agree all the time. A little bit of controversy generates the dozens of clicks we have here.
Can opener - you are the one who brought up North specifically and how she’s scoring all these goals ….so when someone criticizes her why the outrage ?
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:56 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:18 am Nice gratuitous jab at NJBill? I still lament the departure of one of the most informed, well-spoken posters we had on this small board.
I wouldn’t say it was a jab at njbill so much as an inside joke, in addition to connecting him with other irrational opinions about Charlotte North.

For the record, I miss him too. I got along fine with Jersey Bill until I called him out on his North stance toward the end of his time here. But let’s all be real, shall we? He was anything but informed or well-spoken when it came to assessing Charlotte North. He went to ridiculous lengths to discredit her performance and accomplishments.

And seacoaster—if you were more fair and unbiased in your finger wagging it would carry more weight with me. But you are very selective in those you call out on this board.

Why are you never heard from when others make gratuitous remarks? Sexist comments that denigrate women, insensitive remarks about mental illness (which you have been guilty of) or even slanderous remarks—nary a whisper is heard from you. But by golly you’re always Johnny-on-the-spot when I say something that you deem improper.

You obviously fancy yourself a kind of moral compass on this board. I think your instrument is due for a recalibration.
And you were doing so well…
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:01 pm Not sure when or where I made an insensitive remark about mental illness.
Here you go:
seacoaster wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:11 pm
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:16 pm It doesn’t matter what time of the year it is– Maryland is always boasting and boasting and boasting some more. They don’t let five days pass without reminding you of their 15 national titles yet again. They are insufferable. Nobody bangs their own gong like Maryland.
I wouldn’t have known about this were it not for your grazing across the program’s healthy grasslands. They are recruiting, and letting kids know that lax players are campus royalty can be an allure to kids. What you describe as horn tooting is completely ordinary. Maybe see a therapist.
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Can Opener wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:02 pm
* (Cover your eyes for this one, Doc.) Since Loyola hasn’t played yet this year – Livy Rosenzweig scored her fifth goal of the game late in the second half of an 18-6 win over Nova in early March last year.
CO...I feel the same way with/about LR as I do any of the others you mention. In my perfect Lax world, the stars or starters should not be in a blowout (certainly not stat chasing). Start working in your bench with some starters in to maintain some level of continuity, but focus on getting the bench meaningful minutes and opportunities.

So, no covering my eyes here ;) , IMO she shouldn't have been scoring at that late point. Now, if she was there for continuity and a bench player made a good pass to LR cutting, she really has to finish the play. If they are up by 12 and she has a free position, I would hope she pulls out and passes. I can't recall the specific game you mention, so I can only respond in generalities.
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