Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:32 pm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meningococcal_vaccine
Thank you. If I’m reading that correctly, the vaccine has been out for at least a decade?
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:32 pm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meningococcal_vaccine
months ago? i told you why i jumped in. maybe review posts from the last 24 hours or so?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:08 pmYes. And as I said, if this is the basis, you have to explain that 90%+ vaccine rate for K-12. Obviously this old media didn't have the same effect on vaccination rates.
Now I know why you're pushing back....I'm saying "internet", and you're ignoring that, and pulling from posts I made months ago that the right is driving the anti-vaxx bus. You're welcome to do that....but that's where we aren't connecting with one another here.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 am notwithstanding that... you also want it to be the right wing non-truthers who are driving what you don't accept as the "right choice". regardless of who is actually making these choices. i can't keep up, i thought it was only red people and counties/states who were rubes?
So focusing on my past posts.......what I HAVE told you is that CovidVaxx rates are FAR lower in rural, Republican run Counties all across our country. And unless you want to play dumb, BY FAR the folks throwing around Covid disinformation is coming from the right. It's not even a close call.
That said? OF COURSE folks all over the political spectrum are on the internet, passing this disinformation around. To quote Michael Jordan, "Republicans buy sneakers, too". In other words, everyone has a hand on the nonsense on the internet.
And the Dems have had their hand in the disinformation-------Biden and Kamala's INEXCUSABLE nonsense about not trusting a vaccine that Trump approved.
But yes, come on.....the right is driving the bus on the disinformation. Surely we can agree on that, just as easily as I can agree that yes, the left and center have had their hand.
In fact, I pointed out that pre-2020, Vaccine-stupidity was fully the domain of left-wing nutjobs in places like Boulder.
And yep, I know a TON of right wingers who are fully vaccinated, and boosted. Hopefully this clears up the misunderstanding.
That's the reduction to absurdity I was alluding to in a previous post. Yep, you're right, I'm not in the exam room with every conversation that takes place. Guilty.
Now on the less reductionist front....here's the position from the American Association of Pediatricians:
The American Academy of Pediatrics supports today’s recommendation by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to recommend the use of a COVID-19 vaccine in children ages 5-11. The AAP urges families to check with their pediatrician and community health care providers about how to get their eligible children vaccinated, pending a final recommendation from the CDC.
Vaccinating children will protect children’s health and allow them to fully engage in all of the activities that are so important to their health and development. Parents can enjoy greater peace of mind gathering with family members this winter and sending their children to school, sports and other events that were paused during the height of the pandemic.
Does that sound to you like pediatricians are on the fence?
https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-r ... ages-5-11/
crazy that the mums and dads of westchester and fairfield are still listening to this guy.
That's sort of the entire ball game: how do you tell on the internet who or what authored a post/article/essay....and what their political bent is?
You bet. IMHO, Dems are going to pay dearly for Covid restrictions....because who the F like restrictions? Citizens, by and large, aren't going to be grateful for live saved, imo.
That's because it is. And you can't write something boilerplate for your members if there's a ton of dissenting opinions. There'd be public backlash.
I understand and respect this. But if you put caveats and disclaimers on every post.....the content here would be unreadable real quick, imo. I'll work toward finding a better happy medium.
Do you believe this guy made no difference at all? I believe he made a difference. I believe what Biden says makes a difference. You believe what Biden says makes no difference at all?
i feel like a pinball. i say that bc messages matter was what i was told mattered in 2020, i'm a moron for thinking that now.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:31 pmDo you believe this guy made no difference at all? I believe he made a difference. I believe what Biden says makes a difference. You believe what he says makes no difference at all?
That's my point. People & parents do their own risk assessment, factoring in their vulnerability.
Those two words 'matter' and 'rely' don't mean the same thing. It is a logic fail. "Like to see actions that make sense" applies to both ole Joe and The Donald. That is logical and perfectly reasonable. The arc of the virus under the two administrations was also different so not quite apples to apples. Again, do YOU believe Trump and Biden's words don't matter at all? It's a simple question. We can get to caveats later.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:39 pmi feel like a pinball. i say that bc messages matter was what i was told mattered in 2020, i'm a moron for thinking that now.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:31 pmDo you believe this guy made no difference at all? I believe he made a difference. I believe what Biden says makes a difference. You believe what he says makes no difference at all?
then i say i'd like to see some actions that make sense, and i'm told that we shouldn't rely on ole joe or the gov'ts actions. can't stop stupid. but words matter. it's like crazytown here.
i believe they matter. evidently though, i'm not allowed to say that with a video dated in the last year.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:57 pmThose two words 'matter' and 'rely' don't mean the same thing. It is a logic fail. "Like to see actions that make sense" applies to both ole Joe and The Donald. That is logical and perfectly reasonable. The arc of the virus under the two administrations was also different so not quite apples to apples. Again, do YOU believe Trump and Biden's words don't matter at all? It's a simple question. We can get to caveats later.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:39 pmi feel like a pinball. i say that bc messages matter was what i was told mattered in 2020, i'm a moron for thinking that now.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:31 pmDo you believe this guy made no difference at all? I believe he made a difference. I believe what Biden says makes a difference. You believe what he says makes no difference at all?
then i say i'd like to see some actions that make sense, and i'm told that we shouldn't rely on ole joe or the gov'ts actions. can't stop stupid. but words matter. it's like crazytown here.
I will go back and get the context. As I believe you were not talking about yourself but speaking for others. That was last week. So Joe’s words matter to you but what Donald said had no bearing on how people responded and continued to respond? Liberate your state…..and I don’t believe all these people aren’t getting vaccinated just because of what Donald said..but I am sure that isn’t what you believe either…..wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:09 pmi believe they matter. evidently though, i'm not allowed to say that with a video dated in the last year.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:57 pmThose two words 'matter' and 'rely' don't mean the same thing. It is a logic fail. "Like to see actions that make sense" applies to both ole Joe and The Donald. That is logical and perfectly reasonable. The arc of the virus under the two administrations was also different so not quite apples to apples. Again, do YOU believe Trump and Biden's words don't matter at all? It's a simple question. We can get to caveats later.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:39 pmi feel like a pinball. i say that bc messages matter was what i was told mattered in 2020, i'm a moron for thinking that now.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:31 pmDo you believe this guy made no difference at all? I believe he made a difference. I believe what Biden says makes a difference. You believe what he says makes no difference at all?
then i say i'd like to see some actions that make sense, and i'm told that we shouldn't rely on ole joe or the gov'ts actions. can't stop stupid. but words matter. it's like crazytown here.
if you're asking whether trump's words from 2 years ago shape the actual number we're seeing now being discussed? it's non-zero but it's not 76% (imo!!!).
ftr, you were the one that inferred i relied on joe to protect me when positing what i considered failed policy. this was literally in the last couple days. should i quote it? and now you want the government to protect you with mandates.
#amidoingthisrite
kids are dropping like flies, dr's offices have lines out the door...haven't you seen it, hospitals are putting two kids in one bed, its anarchy.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:42 pmThat's my point. People & parents do their own risk assessment, factoring in their vulnerability.
Early on, it made sense to vax everyone to stop the spread. Now that the vax is available to everyone & proven to work, & it's virtually impossible to stop the spread of Omicron (which confers some immunity), it's a whole new risk assessment, especially for parents who have to decide for their kids.
Makes you wonder why all these blue states are lifting restrictions....stupid mouth breathers.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:03 pm COVID stat watchers around the world have started to notice that things in Denmark aren't necessarily going in the right direction.
This is consistent with my idea that we (we as in humans) relax a little too early. I would rather relax a month too late versus a month too early.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:03 pm COVID stat watchers around the world have started to notice that things in Denmark aren't necessarily going in the right direction.
Yes.
200,000 potential COVID-19 deaths was called “fear porn” here.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:48 pmYes.
My point is: folks didn't use to think like this, because they didn't have access to information, disinformation, and uneducated guesses like we do now.
This is new behavior, brought on by the internet.
40 years ago, being the civic-minded man that he is, Old Salt would have been handing out coffee and donuts at their local vaccination drive, and our vaxx rate would have been in the high 90%+. And a grateful nation would have marveled at the medical miracle.
We're still losing 2,600+ Americans per day, folks. An unthinkable number just two years ago. But in 2022? Our response is: Meh.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ths-covid/
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:35 pmThis is consistent with my idea that we (we as in humans) relax a little too early. I would rather relax a month too late versus a month too early.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:03 pm COVID stat watchers around the world have started to notice that things in Denmark aren't necessarily going in the right direction.