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Some parents may be looking at the hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds and making the determination that the covid risk for that age group is low compared to their own risk profile.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:40 pmso you've named now 2 declarative statements that i have absolutely no idea how you know these for a fact.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:27 pmWhy do you think we're 90%+ vaxxed for MMR etc, and nowhere near that for three different vaccines?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:52 pm no. 5 to 11 year olds have been 24% fully (2 doses) vaccinated for covid. 32% have gotten one shot, and it's not climbing fast.
we're at about 30 something boosted.
the polls told you we weren't getting fully vaxxed before we even knew what end was up. if we don't get a more deadly variant, it's not changing much.
edit: 91 million boosted as of feb 4.
that's 43% of the fully vaxxed pop.
that's 27.5% of the u.s. population.
that's 32% of 12 or over eligible quite some time ago.
You don't think it's the media (which includes the internet)?
Remember, we can't leave out the context that if an American asks their doctors, 100% of them will tell their charges to take the vaccine if they don't have some condition to preclude it.
So America's personal doctors are 100% behind full vaccination. So what's keeping that from happening, if it's not media-internet disinformation?
sticking with just one of them... what is your explanation for us being at 24% for kids 5-11 vs. 75%? adults? who exactly are these people listening to? that it's right for them, but not their kids?
A gentleman at work said, “I’m old. I don’t know or care what happens to me in 20 years. If I were you or your kids, That’s a different conversation.”wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:40 pmso you've named now 2 declarative statements that i have absolutely no idea how you know these for a fact.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:27 pmWhy do you think we're 90%+ vaxxed for MMR etc, and nowhere near that for three different vaccines?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:52 pm no. 5 to 11 year olds have been 24% fully (2 doses) vaccinated for covid. 32% have gotten one shot, and it's not climbing fast.
we're at about 30 something boosted.
the polls told you we weren't getting fully vaxxed before we even knew what end was up. if we don't get a more deadly variant, it's not changing much.
edit: 91 million boosted as of feb 4.
that's 43% of the fully vaxxed pop.
that's 27.5% of the u.s. population.
that's 32% of 12 or over eligible quite some time ago.
You don't think it's the media (which includes the internet)?
Remember, we can't leave out the context that if an American asks their doctors, 100% of them will tell their charges to take the vaccine if they don't have some condition to preclude it.
So America's personal doctors are 100% behind full vaccination. So what's keeping that from happening, if it's not media-internet disinformation?
sticking with just one of them... what is your explanation for us being at 24% for kids 5-11 vs. 75%? adults? who exactly are these people listening to? that it's right for them, but not their kids?
They were not introduced & administered to millions of people under an Emergency Use Authorization.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:41 pm Naming an mRNA vaccine? Who cares?
See...this is how a rational mind works: I don't know the difference between the mRNA vaccine and the old Polio vaccine.Mandating was clearly, plainly not a touchy subject for decades leading up to 2020.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:33 pm That logic works perfectly....sadly, we just do not know with certainty what tomorrow may bring, let alone a new medical bio technology will do to each of us in 5-10+ years; we do it based on blind faith and trust, and some just are incapable/uncomfortable to go there. Which is why mandating is such a touchy subject.
If what you say is true, we wouldn't have one single vaccine mandate on the books in any State. What do we have, instead? That's right, my man...we have vaccine mandates in every Single State. 100%. All of them.
So how do you explain that? You can't.
That’s not a really good cost/benefit analysis though.Carroll81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:51 amSome parents may be looking at the hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds and making the determination that the covid risk for that age group is low compared to their own risk profile.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:40 pmso you've named now 2 declarative statements that i have absolutely no idea how you know these for a fact.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:27 pmWhy do you think we're 90%+ vaxxed for MMR etc, and nowhere near that for three different vaccines?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:52 pm no. 5 to 11 year olds have been 24% fully (2 doses) vaccinated for covid. 32% have gotten one shot, and it's not climbing fast.
we're at about 30 something boosted.
the polls told you we weren't getting fully vaxxed before we even knew what end was up. if we don't get a more deadly variant, it's not changing much.
edit: 91 million boosted as of feb 4.
that's 43% of the fully vaxxed pop.
that's 27.5% of the u.s. population.
that's 32% of 12 or over eligible quite some time ago.
You don't think it's the media (which includes the internet)?
Remember, we can't leave out the context that if an American asks their doctors, 100% of them will tell their charges to take the vaccine if they don't have some condition to preclude it.
So America's personal doctors are 100% behind full vaccination. So what's keeping that from happening, if it's not media-internet disinformation?
sticking with just one of them... what is your explanation for us being at 24% for kids 5-11 vs. 75%? adults? who exactly are these people listening to? that it's right for them, but not their kids?
Yes and no. The first polio vaccine was introduced in 1950 and tested against polio in institutionalized children (nice...no informed consent).old salt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:53 amThey were not introduced & administered to millions of people under an Emergency Use Authorization.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:41 pm Naming an mRNA vaccine? Who cares?
See...this is how a rational mind works: I don't know the difference between the mRNA vaccine and the old Polio vaccine.Mandating was clearly, plainly not a touchy subject for decades leading up to 2020.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:33 pm That logic works perfectly....sadly, we just do not know with certainty what tomorrow may bring, let alone a new medical bio technology will do to each of us in 5-10+ years; we do it based on blind faith and trust, and some just are incapable/uncomfortable to go there. Which is why mandating is such a touchy subject.
If what you say is true, we wouldn't have one single vaccine mandate on the books in any State. What do we have, instead? That's right, my man...we have vaccine mandates in every Single State. 100%. All of them.
So how do you explain that? You can't.
They were not based on a new technology like MRNA.
Nobody can know the long term effects because they have not been in use that long.
Given my age, I figure it's worth the uncertainty for me.
If I was under 40, I might feel differently.
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:34 pmYup, it's all an act. And a flip-flop as people like PB were cheering on these vaccines before they came out.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:07 pm Nothing like goalpost moving…
First it is EA that is not acceptable, then needs 10 years.
The flu vaccine I got this year was just approved in 2020. Should I be worried it has not been a full 10 years? And they reformulate the flu vaccine EACH year!
The fact is the vaccine is MUCH LESS risky than the disease. It has been proven to do all sorts of positive things to keep people healthy and alive, and you are worried about some yet to be seen side effects?
Something tells me there is a great breakdown in logic here…
I also asked a while back if anyone could show me any vaccine that causes issues 6 months down the road or later. Crickets.
I'm not talking about issues that show up immediately that may last long term. I'm talking about issues that do not present (show up) until far down the road.
It just doesn't happen, at least that I could find. These vaccines already have very low rates of side effects, especially compared to the actual disease.
You're still gonna have people questioning the safety of these after we have 10 years of data. The first mRNA vaccines in human trials incidentally were 9 years ago. First animal use was 30 years ago.
The whole thing is an act.
Because as the spread continues, hospitals fill up and the economy seizes up and we all suffer. If other people weren’t impacted, nobody would care. Let ‘em die.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amNattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:34 pmYup, it's all an act. And a flip-flop as people like PB were cheering on these vaccines before they came out.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:07 pm Nothing like goalpost moving…
First it is EA that is not acceptable, then needs 10 years.
The flu vaccine I got this year was just approved in 2020. Should I be worried it has not been a full 10 years? And they reformulate the flu vaccine EACH year!
The fact is the vaccine is MUCH LESS risky than the disease. It has been proven to do all sorts of positive things to keep people healthy and alive, and you are worried about some yet to be seen side effects?
Something tells me there is a great breakdown in logic here…
I also asked a while back if anyone could show me any vaccine that causes issues 6 months down the road or later. Crickets.
I'm not talking about issues that show up immediately that may last long term. I'm talking about issues that do not present (show up) until far down the road.
It just doesn't happen, at least that I could find. These vaccines already have very low rates of side effects, especially compared to the actual disease.
You're still gonna have people questioning the safety of these after we have 10 years of data. The first mRNA vaccines in human trials incidentally were 9 years ago. First animal use was 30 years ago.
The whole thing is an act.
Views can change, you know that? One thing I’m not sure anyone focused on initially (at least I didn’t) was the fact that the manufacturers bore no liability for the vaccines. I don’t know when that became common knowledge, but honestly when I became aware, that seemed to be a marker for me to start questioning what was going on. I’m a capitalist, and liability keeps folks honest.
Bear in mind, I’m not anti vaccine, I’m anti-mandate. It bemuses me that Democrats refuse to acknowledge that very critical dividing line. Why would you care if anyone else is vaccinated? For all I or you know, the unvaccinated will be the ones proven correct in the end.
Yes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?
Please inform us of the incident rates of both long covid and long bad vaccine effects and I'll tell you what and why I accept one being more serious than the other.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amYes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:51 amPlease inform us of the incident rates of both long covid and long bad vaccine effects and I'll tell you what and why I accept one being more serious than the other.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amYes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?
I'll wait...
You guys are just making my point for me: how are these parents "looking at hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds"?Carroll81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:51 amSome parents may be looking at the hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds and making the determination that the covid risk for that age group is low compared to their own risk profile.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:40 pmso you've named now 2 declarative statements that i have absolutely no idea how you know these for a fact.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:27 pmWhy do you think we're 90%+ vaxxed for MMR etc, and nowhere near that for three different vaccines?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:52 pm no. 5 to 11 year olds have been 24% fully (2 doses) vaccinated for covid. 32% have gotten one shot, and it's not climbing fast.
we're at about 30 something boosted.
the polls told you we weren't getting fully vaxxed before we even knew what end was up. if we don't get a more deadly variant, it's not changing much.
edit: 91 million boosted as of feb 4.
that's 43% of the fully vaxxed pop.
that's 27.5% of the u.s. population.
that's 32% of 12 or over eligible quite some time ago.
You don't think it's the media (which includes the internet)?
Remember, we can't leave out the context that if an American asks their doctors, 100% of them will tell their charges to take the vaccine if they don't have some condition to preclude it.
So America's personal doctors are 100% behind full vaccination. So what's keeping that from happening, if it's not media-internet disinformation?
sticking with just one of them... what is your explanation for us being at 24% for kids 5-11 vs. 75%? adults? who exactly are these people listening to? that it's right for them, but not their kids?