All things CoronaVirus

[Peter Brown]

as usual...quick to answer, slow to understand.

Actually, TLD is right.
In China, there's no actual "choice" between your job and being vaccinated, masked, whatever the requirement.
It's compelled, not simply to continue employment, the alternative is a "reeducation camp", forced labor in concentration camp conditions.

Of course, most compliance isn't forced, it's simply accepted as contribution to the community interest. And heavy propaganda reinforces this.

And there sure as heck isn't a party allowed to propagandize against the requirements. Not for a moment.

Think Canada or the US is the same? Go back to China, young man.

In China many people don't even have a choice in the career path they pursue...

guy probably never took civics.

Trudeau is acting like a dictator! He’s Recep Erdogan!

Last year when 56 Canadian churches were set on fire or vandalized, Trudeau said Antifa's reasons for doing so were "fully understandable."

Canadian truckers peacefully convene to protest tyranny, and it's an "illegal occupation."

Will be fascinating to see how the voters all over the world choose next time!

[kramerica.inc]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

[Peter Brown]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

How anyone can be for a “mandated” vaccine, still in its infancy stages so far as long term complications, is simply bewildering.

[wgdsr]

as usual...quick to answer, slow to understand.

Actually, TLD is right.
In China, there's no actual "choice" between your job and being vaccinated, masked, whatever the requirement.
It's compelled, not simply to continue employment, the alternative is a "reeducation camp", forced labor in concentration camp conditions.

Of course, most compliance isn't forced, it's simply accepted as contribution to the community interest. And heavy propaganda reinforces this.

And there sure as heck isn't a party allowed to propagandize against the requirements. Not for a moment.

Think Canada or the US is the same? Go back to China, young man.

In China many people don't even have a choice in the career path they pursue...

guy probably never took civics.

Trudeau is acting like a dictator! He’s Recep Erdogan!

this guy would know how silly he's being if he'd gone to class. or made it out to re-education camp. or had access to the internets, like us.

[MDlaxfan76]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

How anyone can be for a “mandated” vaccine, still in its infancy stages so far as long term complications, is simply bewildering.

Would be to you.

But hey, a virus that's gonna kill a million+ Americans, nearly all unvaccinated, with very few who were vaccinated dying, with likely (and now observed) complications of such virus long term dwarfing any complications observed with the vaccine, a heavily tested vaccine that reduces infection rate and heavily reduces hospitalization and death rate, hospital staffs stressed to the breaking point...why would we want everyone to get vaccinated???

Sure "freedom" but how about you can't use the hospital system if you refuse to be vaccinated? Gotta die at home? Would that be better than a 'mandate'?

[Typical Lax Dad]

as usual...quick to answer, slow to understand.

Actually, TLD is right.
In China, there's no actual "choice" between your job and being vaccinated, masked, whatever the requirement.
It's compelled, not simply to continue employment, the alternative is a "reeducation camp", forced labor in concentration camp conditions.

Of course, most compliance isn't forced, it's simply accepted as contribution to the community interest. And heavy propaganda reinforces this.

And there sure as heck isn't a party allowed to propagandize against the requirements. Not for a moment.

Think Canada or the US is the same? Go back to China, young man.

In China many people don't even have a choice in the career path they pursue...

guy probably never took civics.

Trudeau is acting like a dictator! He’s Recep Erdogan!

this guy would know how silly he's being if he'd gone to class. or made it out to re-education camp. or had access to the internets, like us.

This is how it works in China: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/18/com ... ndate.html

But Canada is different.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Would be to you.

But hey, a virus that's gonna kill a million+ Americans, nearly all unvaccinated, with very few who were vaccinated dying, with likely (and now observed) complications of such virus long term dwarfing any complications observed with the vaccine, a heavily tested vaccine that reduces infection rate and heavily reduces hospitalization and death rate, hospital staffs stressed to the breaking point...why would we want everyone to get vaccinated???

Sure "freedom" but how about you can't use the hospital system if you refuse to be vaccinated? Gotta die at home? Would that be better than a 'mandate'?

Don't forget, Petey was pro-vaccine and thought everyone should get vaccinated before the far-right misinformation and politicization campaigns kicked into gear.

[wgdsr]

as usual...quick to answer, slow to understand.

Actually, TLD is right.
In China, there's no actual "choice" between your job and being vaccinated, masked, whatever the requirement.
It's compelled, not simply to continue employment, the alternative is a "reeducation camp", forced labor in concentration camp conditions.

Of course, most compliance isn't forced, it's simply accepted as contribution to the community interest. And heavy propaganda reinforces this.

And there sure as heck isn't a party allowed to propagandize against the requirements. Not for a moment.

Think Canada or the US is the same? Go back to China, young man.

In China many people don't even have a choice in the career path they pursue...

guy probably never took civics.

Trudeau is acting like a dictator! He’s Recep Erdogan!

this guy would know how silly he's being if he'd gone to class. or made it out to re-education camp. or had access to the internets, like us.

This is how it works in China: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/18/com ... ndate.html

But Canada is different.

ummm... i think that's the point. your last line is dripping less sarcasm by the day.

in any event, this guy's sign probably doesn't even have a british accent.

[DocBarrister]

This young family was stupid enough to believe all the right-wing anti-vaxxer trash and refused to get vaccinated.

Then they took a trip to the Trump hotel in Las Vegas, caught Covid-19, almost died, and almost lost their unborn baby.

Their horrific trauma was enough to change their minds, and that of much of their extended family, about getting the Covid-19 vaccine.

However, one close relative continued to refuse the vaccine, eventually caught Covid-19, and died last month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... kes-texas/

Usually, the price of stupidity and ignorance is not this high, but it’s a different world we live in now.

DocBarrister

[Peter Brown]

Would be to you.

But hey, a virus that's gonna kill a million+ Americans, nearly all unvaccinated, with very few who were vaccinated dying, with likely (and now observed) complications of such virus long term dwarfing any complications observed with the vaccine, a heavily tested vaccine that reduces infection rate and heavily reduces hospitalization and death rate, hospital staffs stressed to the breaking point...why would we want everyone to get vaccinated???

Sure "freedom" but how about you can't use the hospital system if you refuse to be vaccinated? Gotta die at home? Would that be better than a 'mandate'?

Don't forget, Petey was pro-vaccine and thought everyone should get vaccinated before the far-right misinformation and politicization campaigns kicked into gear.

Big difference between being ‘pro-vaccine’ versus being ‘pro-mandate’.

I’m anti-mandate about nearly everything but especially unproven vaccines which to this day have all of two years of data. Two years. Just remember that next time you demand others take a booster or shame them from whatever activity. I’m quite comfortable around anyone with or without a vaccine…it matters not. I’ll never demand they be vaccinated though.

[MDlaxfan76]

Would be to you.

But hey, a virus that's gonna kill a million+ Americans, nearly all unvaccinated, with very few who were vaccinated dying, with likely (and now observed) complications of such virus long term dwarfing any complications observed with the vaccine, a heavily tested vaccine that reduces infection rate and heavily reduces hospitalization and death rate, hospital staffs stressed to the breaking point...why would we want everyone to get vaccinated???

Sure "freedom" but how about you can't use the hospital system if you refuse to be vaccinated? Gotta die at home? Would that be better than a 'mandate'?

Don't forget, Petey was pro-vaccine and thought everyone should get vaccinated before the far-right misinformation and politicization campaigns kicked into gear.

Big difference between being ‘pro-vaccine’ versus being ‘pro-mandate’.

I’m anti-mandate about nearly everything but especially unproven vaccines which to this day have all of two years of data. Two years. Just remember that next time you demand others take a booster or shame them from whatever activity. I’m quite comfortable around anyone with or without a vaccine…it matters not. I’ll never demand they be vaccinated though.

We also have two years of data on the virus.

How do you feel about paying for the unvaccinated's hospitalization?
And that of all those they infect who similarly are hospitalized?

How do you feel about the docs and nurses who are exhausted, physically and emotionally?

But here we are, the whole notion of rules and laws, based up a representative democratic system, is now rejected by the "right"...seems crazy but here we are.

That is, unless the laws restrict a woman's right to choose and other such preferences of the "right". Such as laws that restrict voting access of the poor.

Then, "mandates" are just fine.

[RedFromMI]

Actually, almost all bad effects of the vaccine would already be known after two years. But what is important is the comparative risks of getting the disease and bad side effects. The data clearly shows that risk far higher. Just as posted above yours by Doc.

Mandating vaccines for those who have no medical reason to avoid them makes good sense, even if the SC does not see that. And the fact that getting the vaxxed population very high protects those who cannot for medical reasons get vaxxed is just good and sensible public policy.

[a fan]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

You gents want to explain why we've had mandated vaccines in all fifty States.....for 50+ years now....

...and it wasn't until 2020 that anyone thought to complain? You don't get to hang this on Biden. Every single State legislature and Governor is on the hook for vaccine mandates, fellas.

You can't logic your way out of this. We have millions of Americans that are just being stupid.

Don't believe me? Then explain why all every single vaccine mandate for K-12 and University Admission is still in place?

And then when you can't explain that away.....look at the vaccine rate from 1970-2020. It's over 90% for every conceivable demographic, in every State. So obviously this means that the people are ALSO for vaccine mandates.

But as usual, you two won't address this. Because you can't square it.

[Peter Brown]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

You gents want to explain why we've had mandated vaccines in all fifty States.....for 50+ years now....

...and it wasn't until 2020 that anyone thought to complain? You don't get to hang this on Biden. Every single State legislature and Governor is on the hook for vaccine mandates, fellas.

You can't logic your way out of this. We have millions of Americans that are just being stupid.

Don't believe me? Then explain why all every single vaccine mandate for K-12 and University Admission is still in place?

And then when you can't explain that away.....look at the vaccine rate from 1970-2020. It's over 90% for every conceivable demographic, in every State. So obviously this means that the people are ALSO for vaccine mandates.

But as usual, you two won't address this. Because you can't square it.

Yes, because we have 50+ years of data proving the safety of those vaccines.

[Peter Brown]

Would be to you.

But hey, a virus that's gonna kill a million+ Americans, nearly all unvaccinated, with very few who were vaccinated dying, with likely (and now observed) complications of such virus long term dwarfing any complications observed with the vaccine, a heavily tested vaccine that reduces infection rate and heavily reduces hospitalization and death rate, hospital staffs stressed to the breaking point...why would we want everyone to get vaccinated???

Sure "freedom" but how about you can't use the hospital system if you refuse to be vaccinated? Gotta die at home? Would that be better than a 'mandate'?

Don't forget, Petey was pro-vaccine and thought everyone should get vaccinated before the far-right misinformation and politicization campaigns kicked into gear.

Big difference between being ‘pro-vaccine’ versus being ‘pro-mandate’.

I’m anti-mandate about nearly everything but especially unproven vaccines which to this day have all of two years of data. Two years. Just remember that next time you demand others take a booster or shame them from whatever activity. I’m quite comfortable around anyone with or without a vaccine…it matters not. I’ll never demand they be vaccinated though.

We also have two years of data on the virus.

How do you feel about paying for the unvaccinated's hospitalization?
And that of all those they infect who similarly are hospitalized?

How do you feel about the docs and nurses who are exhausted, physically and emotionally?

But here we are, the whole notion of rules and laws, based up a representative democratic system, is now rejected by the "right"...seems crazy but here we are.

That is, unless the laws restrict a woman's right to choose and other such preferences of the "right". Such as laws that restrict voting access of the poor.

Then, "mandates" are just fine.

1. We already pay for tons of uninsured/indigent hospital stays. Not sure why adding Covid cases is a break the bank proposition.

2. As a vaccinated person, you’re as likely to pass along the virus as an unvaccinated person, yet I’m not demanding you isolate.

3. This might shock you, but when you sign up for any profession including the medical field, there’s no form with a question that asks, ‘will you still continue to come to work if you’re exhausted?’

4. No one is proposing a new law other than the mandate Mandy’s. I simply don’t accept that you or anyone gets to forcibly inject a drug into another persons body. Why is this so revolutionary?!

[MDlaxfan76]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

You gents want to explain why we've had mandated vaccines in all fifty States.....for 50+ years now....

...and it wasn't until 2020 that anyone thought to complain? You don't get to hang this on Biden. Every single State legislature and Governor is on the hook for vaccine mandates, fellas.

You can't logic your way out of this. We have millions of Americans that are just being stupid.

Don't believe me? Then explain why all every single vaccine mandate for K-12 and University Admission is still in place?

And then when you can't explain that away.....look at the vaccine rate from 1970-2020. It's over 90% for every conceivable demographic, in every State. So obviously this means that the people are ALSO for vaccine mandates.

But as usual, you two won't address this. Because you can't square it.

Yes, because we have 50+ years of data proving the safety of those vaccines.

Wrong again.
So predictable.

George Washington mandated that his troops be vaccinated against smallpox...using smallpox, definitely not "safe". But better than no vaccine.

Same for all sorts of situations for 200 years. Not because they were proven safe, but because they were better than the alternative of the diseases being vaccinated against.

There's also been opposition to mandates. People don't like being told what to do. Yup.

https://stacker.com/stories/21994/histo ... andates-us

[jhu72]

Thanks for proving my point...again.

you are trying to argue that the 'wrong choice' according to you (not vaccinated) and the country, is someone differently leveraged, when in fact they both affect your livelihood, as the young wrote.

you actually see it as the same?

Sure, I think getting vaccinated should be mandated. True. And sure, both countries have such requirements, though obviously vastly different in how they're enforced.

Biden had gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Constitution.

You gents want to explain why we've had mandated vaccines in all fifty States.....for 50+ years now....

...and it wasn't until 2020 that anyone thought to complain? You don't get to hang this on Biden. Every single State legislature and Governor is on the hook for vaccine mandates, fellas.

You can't logic your way out of this. We have millions of Americans that are just being stupid.

Don't believe me? Then explain why all every single vaccine mandate for K-12 and University Admission is still in place?

And then when you can't explain that away.....look at the vaccine rate from 1970-2020. It's over 90% for every conceivable demographic, in every State. So obviously this means that the people are ALSO for vaccine mandates.

But as usual, you two won't address this. Because you can't square it.

Yes, because we have 50+ years of data proving the safety of those vaccines.

Wrong again.
So predictable.

George Washington mandated that his troops be vaccinated against smallpox...using smallpox, definitely not "safe". But better than no vaccine.

Same for all sorts of situations for 200 years. Not because they were proven safe, but because they were better than the alternative of the diseases being vaccinated against.

There's also been opposition to mandates. People don't like being told what to do. Yup.

https://stacker.com/stories/21994/histo ... andates-us

... I can remember when the polio vaccines were first developed, they waited 50 years before using them on kids

[a fan]

Yes, because we have 50+ years of data proving the safety of those vaccines.

A. no you don't. There are new versions of these drugs that are FDA approved. One of the meningitis vaccines, for example, has had FDA approval for just a few years. (no one cares, Pete)

B. that's not what folks are complaining about, my man. They're complaining about the government FORCING citizens to take vaccines.

C. and you KNOW that's the fake complaint.

Get one of these geniuses on the street, Pete. Ask them what they think about government mandated vaccines. Every single one of them will say that the government mandating that they get vaccinated is UnAmerican, and a disgusting idea.

Then ask them about the six or seven shots that that their State Government mandates that they give to their five year old kid.

And if you want an even bigger laugh, ask them "what's in the MMR vaccine that you injected into your kids"? And of course, they have no freaking idea.

But sure, you and your team are REALLY serious about not having vaccine mandates.

[MDlaxfan76]

Would be to you.

But hey, a virus that's gonna kill a million+ Americans, nearly all unvaccinated, with very few who were vaccinated dying, with likely (and now observed) complications of such virus long term dwarfing any complications observed with the vaccine, a heavily tested vaccine that reduces infection rate and heavily reduces hospitalization and death rate, hospital staffs stressed to the breaking point...why would we want everyone to get vaccinated???

Sure "freedom" but how about you can't use the hospital system if you refuse to be vaccinated? Gotta die at home? Would that be better than a 'mandate'?

Don't forget, Petey was pro-vaccine and thought everyone should get vaccinated before the far-right misinformation and politicization campaigns kicked into gear.

Big difference between being ‘pro-vaccine’ versus being ‘pro-mandate’.

I’m anti-mandate about nearly everything but especially unproven vaccines which to this day have all of two years of data. Two years. Just remember that next time you demand others take a booster or shame them from whatever activity. I’m quite comfortable around anyone with or without a vaccine…it matters not. I’ll never demand they be vaccinated though.

We also have two years of data on the virus.

How do you feel about paying for the unvaccinated's hospitalization?
And that of all those they infect who similarly are hospitalized?

How do you feel about the docs and nurses who are exhausted, physically and emotionally?

But here we are, the whole notion of rules and laws, based up a representative democratic system, is now rejected by the "right"...seems crazy but here we are.

That is, unless the laws restrict a woman's right to choose and other such preferences of the "right". Such as laws that restrict voting access of the poor.

Then, "mandates" are just fine.

1. We already pay for tons of uninsured/indigent hospital stays. Not sure why adding Covid cases is a break the bank proposition.

2. As a vaccinated person, you’re as likely to pass along the virus as an unvaccinated person, yet I’m not demanding you isolate.

3. This might shock you, but when you sign up for any profession including the medical field, there’s no form with a question that asks, ‘will you still continue to come to work if you’re exhausted?’

4. No one is proposing a new law other than the mandate Mandy’s. I simply don’t accept that you or anyone gets to forcibly inject a drug into another persons body. Why is this so revolutionary?!

1) Sure, but the "indigent" don't typically choose to be sick or injured. It's social welfare for the rest of us to provide this care.

Gee, "socialism".

But here we have an example of millions of people choosing to greatly increase their risk of being a burden on society. Not because they can't afford or know better, but because they are choosing to do so, regardless of the costs.

2) No, you're not as likely to pass along the virus. Even Omicron. You are less likely to have a bad infection, less long period of infection, with less virus output. Less likely. Not perfect, unfortunately, but less likely.

3) Yup, you don't care about exhausted doctors and nurses. Got it. also don't care if someone needs care, whether preventative or emergency, but isn't able to access it sufficiently timely, with unexhausted staff...yup, "don't care".

4) Yes, these are new laws restricting access to voting and new laws restricting a woman's right to choose...New "mandates". Just fine with you.

You whiffed on all 4. Typical.

[wgdsr]

as far as teams go, the last week has pulled up the fully vaxxed 5-11 year olds from 23 to 24%. unfortunately, the one shot vaxxed has continued its flat lining of weekly increases and grew from just 31.3 to 31.8%. half a percent. and 68% still unvaxxed. it was approved in late october.

obviously, none of these kids have jobs in healthcare or the federal government, but it bears watching.