Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

[MDlaxfan76]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

[cradleandshoot]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS??? BLUNT QUESTION ... why do you even pretend to be a Republican?? i stopped pretending to be a Democrat a long time ago. The least you could do is finally be honest with yourself and stop lying about who you are on this forum. I don't know what you are but you are not a republican, at least not for quite awhile. I get that i really do.

[MDlaxfan76]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

[dislaxxic]

MD, this is kinda looking down the barrel of the MAGA-mindset, isn't it? The aggrieved, i-don't-give-a-fig what you think or what your opinion is, i just think you and all the liberal fools are WAY worse than any republican. Toss in a liberal (pun intended?) dose of "owning the libs" by dint of pushing out the most outrageously nonsensical half-truths, whataboutisms and false equivalencies, and VIOLA! You get this cranky, unbending, i-know-what-i-know political mindset that just simply has no room for nuanced, considered difference of opinion. What?? You're not allowed to change your mind? Cancel YOU, brotha...check!

Thus, a lifelong Republican that is HORRIFIED by what the party has become is somehow not genuine in his position...you are not ALLOWED to be a Republican who, daily, points out the trainwreck that party is in 2022 and how frustrating and depressing that is.

Wonder what Cranky woulda thought about all them Southern Dems jumpin' ship in 1964 after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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[cradleandshoot]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

Reformed smoker?? pretty damn poor metaphor there. I despise the Democrat Party today because they are an abomination to everything the party USE to stand for. They are an abomination to the party my family and especially my mom held near and dear to her heart. Sorta of the SAME damn reason MD you have soooooo many issues with your party. My mom was a Roman Catholic lifelong Democrat who despised abortion and was serious about the precious nature of every unborn baby. You get the drift now amigo? So go tell me how the "machinery" has not overtaken the Democrat party. What happened to those 100 thousands of Roman Catholic Democrats of my moms generation? How many DEMOCRATS today support the idea of anybody being pro life? You name for me one single serious Democrat today that is pro life??

[cradleandshoot]

MD, this is kinda looking down the barrel of the MAGA-mindset, isn't it? The aggrieved, i-don't-give-a-fig what you think or what your opinion is, i just think you and all the liberal fools are WAY worse than any republican. Toss in a liberal (pun intended?) dose of "owning the libs" by dint of pushing out the most outrageously nonsensical half-truths, whataboutisms and false equivalencies, and VIOLA! You get this cranky, unbending, i-know-what-i-know political mindset that just simply has no room for nuanced, considered difference of opinion. What?? You're not allowed to change your mind? Cancel YOU, brotha...check!

Thus, a lifelong Republican that is HORRIFIED by what the party has become is somehow not genuine in his position...you are not ALLOWED to be a Republican who, daily, points out the trainwreck that party is in 2022 and how frustrating and depressing that is.

Wonder what Cranky woulda thought about all them Southern Dems jumpin' ship in 1964 after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

[dislaxxic]

Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

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[seacoaster]

Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

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Good of you to show this kind of discretionary restraint. Thanks dis!

[cradleandshoot]

Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

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So you are self censoring your own dumbassery I give you credit Dis for finally understanding your own dumbassery slow growth is good growth.

[MDlaxfan76]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

Reformed smoker?? pretty damn poor metaphor there. I despise the Democrat Party today because they are an abomination to everything the party USE to stand for. They are an abomination to the party my family and especially my mom held near and dear to her heart. Sorta of the SAME damn reason MD you have soooooo many issues with your party. My mom was a Roman Catholic lifelong Democrat who despised abortion and was serious about the precious nature of every unborn baby. You get the drift now amigo? So go tell me how the "machinery" has not overtaken the Democrat party. What happened to those 100 thousands of Roman Catholic Democrats of my moms generation? How many DEMOCRATS today support the idea of anybody being pro life? You name for me one single serious Democrat today that is pro life??

"everything the party USE to stand for." Everything?

Wasn't FDR a "socialist" who was destroying the American way of life? Same story now, apparently.

Sounds like abortion rights for women are what sticks in your craw so much. Indeed, views on this issue have moved markedly over the decades.

Both the general population and among Catholics. Today, a majority of Catholics are in favor of legal abortions in most instances. Not all. A majority. Close to the percentages for all Americans.

And among women, including women Catholics, this skews even further to support for Choice.

Marriage rights has been another issue in which perspectives have changed a lot. Does that make you unhappy as well?

You're at least close to right, there are few prominent Dems who describe themselves as pro-life, though two Senators do...Casey and Manchin. Both I'd describe as "serious" and "prominent".

https://prospect.org/blogs/tap/manchin- ... til-birth/

[MDlaxfan76]

Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

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So you are self censoring your own dumbassery I give you credit Dis for finally understanding your own dumbassery slow growth is good growth.

cradle,
Are you actually saying that Robert Byrd "exemplify(ies) everything you and your party believes in"? Or are you just trolling something rather ridiculous?

You needn't act this way.

[jhu72]

Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

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[Peter Brown]

MD, this is kinda looking down the barrel of the MAGA-mindset, isn't it? The aggrieved, i-don't-give-a-fig what you think or what your opinion is, i just think you and all the liberal fools are WAY worse than any republican. Toss in a liberal (pun intended?) dose of "owning the libs" by dint of pushing out the most outrageously nonsensical half-truths, whataboutisms and false equivalencies, and VIOLA! You get this cranky, unbending, i-know-what-i-know political mindset that just simply has no room for nuanced, considered difference of opinion. What?? You're not allowed to change your mind? Cancel YOU, brotha...check!

Thus, a lifelong Republican that is HORRIFIED by what the party has become is somehow not genuine in his position...you are not ALLOWED to be a Republican who, daily, points out the trainwreck that party is in 2022 and how frustrating and depressing that is.

Wonder what Cranky woulda thought about all them Southern Dems jumpin' ship in 1964 after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

Truth. +1

The next move by the FLP will be in the banking sector. They’ll pressure banks to not take deposits of ‘conservative’ organizations and persons.

[dislaxxic]

Lies Are the Building Blocks of Trumpian Authoritarianism

We here at FanLax have LONG seen this truth...but it needs to be continuously blared out thru megaphones, so that the narrative that MAGATS across the land continue to be duped by, can be vigorously refuted...

A culture of freedom, a tradition of elected government, and a Bill of Rights. We’re not like those European countries that fell into fascism. We’d never willingly abandon democracy, liberty, or the rule of law.

But that’s not how authoritarianism would come to America. In fact, it’s not how authoritarianism has come to America. The movement to dismantle our democracy is thriving and growing, even after the failure of the Jan. 6th coup attempt, because it isn’t spreading through overt rejection of our system of government. It’s spreading through lies.

It turns out that you don’t have to renounce any of our nation’s founding principles to betray them. All you have to do is believe lies: that real ballots are fake, that prosecutors are criminals, and that insurrectionists are political prisoners. Once you believe these things, you’re ready to disenfranchise your fellow citizens in the name of democracy. You’re ready to cover up crimes in the name of fighting corruption. You’re ready to liberate coup plotters in the name of justice.

And that’s where we are. Donald Trump and his party have sold these lies to more than 100 million Americans. He has built an army of authoritarian followers who think they’re saving the republic.

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[Farfromgeneva]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

Gross generalizations and open question bolded? Setting aside generic political class issues like front running the markets on financial asset personal account investments:

- Too interventionist (see my occasional notes in iatrogenics)
- Gaping disconnect between theoretical and real world boots in the ground combined with a seeming lack of respect for execution
- Too much skew regarding unfairness vs Liberty (which as a reasonable intelligent person would not reply with a “oh that’s a MaGA thing about liberties-anyone who’s thoughtful knows the classic push-pull is the line of freedom v Liberty, when I was registering to a party mid-late 90s my soon to be former party was much more reasonable on the liberty side than they are now)
- Lack of seeming interest in equality of opportunity in the sport of fairness

A lot of this can be chalked up to a inability and/or disinterest in considering 2nd and 3rd order events caused by action for the sake of action. To me the weighing of such considerations is a primary principle of true conservatism (which is different from what is labeled as conservative just like a lot of democrats who annexed the word “progressive” for their own use while propping up Clinton’s, Terry mcauliffe and others arguable including Biden whom I still view as “cleaner shirt in the dirty laundry”

Signed a migrating to independent dude. (Unlikely to be later than end of Q2 for change to be official)

[Farfromgeneva]

Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

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Somehow I’ve only done a overnight drunk tank stint here so perhaps you could toe the line the way I do…

But great response I love it

[MDlaxfan76]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

Gross generalizations and open question bolded? Setting aside generic political class issues like front running the markets on financial asset personal account investments:

- Too interventionist (see my occasional notes in iatrogenics)
- Gaping disconnect between theoretical and real world boots in the ground combined with a seeming lack of respect for execution
- Too much skew regarding unfairness vs Liberty (which as a reasonable intelligent person would not reply with a “oh that’s a MaGA thing about liberties-anyone who’s thoughtful knows the classic push-pull is the line of freedom v Liberty, when I was registering to a party mid-late 90s my soon to be former party was much more reasonable on the liberty side than they are now)
- Lack of seeming interest in equality of opportunity in the sport of fairness

A lot of this can be chalked up to a inability and/or disinterest in considering 2nd and 3rd order events caused by action for the sake of action. To me the weighing of such considerations is a primary principle of true conservatism (which is different from what is labeled as conservative just like a lot of democrats who annexed the word “progressive” for their own use while propping up Clinton’s, Terry mcauliffe and others arguable including Biden whom I still view as “cleaner shirt in the dirty laundry”

Signed a migrating to independent dude. (Unlikely to be later than end of Q2 for change to be official)

my question was obviously not aimed at you, but interesting if hard to parse answer. But undoubtedly thoughtful.

IMO, there's plenty to not like about some of the Dem predilections, valid critiques on a whole range of issues. Yours would certainly be among those for consideration.

[cradleandshoot]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

Reformed smoker?? pretty damn poor metaphor there. I despise the Democrat Party today because they are an abomination to everything the party USE to stand for. They are an abomination to the party my family and especially my mom held near and dear to her heart. Sorta of the SAME damn reason MD you have soooooo many issues with your party. My mom was a Roman Catholic lifelong Democrat who despised abortion and was serious about the precious nature of every unborn baby. You get the drift now amigo? So go tell me how the "machinery" has not overtaken the Democrat party. What happened to those 100 thousands of Roman Catholic Democrats of my moms generation? How many DEMOCRATS today support the idea of anybody being pro life? You name for me one single serious Democrat today that is pro life??

"everything the party USE to stand for." Everything?

Wasn't FDR a "socialist" who was destroying the American way of life? Same story now, apparently.

Sounds like abortion rights for women are what sticks in your craw so much. Indeed, views on this issue have moved markedly over the decades.

Both the general population and among Catholics. Today, a majority of Catholics are in favor of legal abortions in most instances. Not all. A majority. Close to the percentages for all Americans.

And among women, including women Catholics, this skews even further to support for Choice.

Marriage rights has been another issue in which perspectives have changed a lot. Does that make you unhappy as well?

You're at least close to right, there are few prominent Dems who describe themselves as pro-life, though two Senators do...Casey and Manchin. Both I'd describe as "serious" and "prominent".

https://prospect.org/blogs/tap/manchin- ... til-birth/

I went to and graduated from a Catholic HS from 1972 to 1976. There was no gray area from the people who ran my HS and taught all of us. There was no gray area from my mom and the Catholic dogma I was raised with. I separated my beliefs from the Catholic church and organized religion shortly after I graduated from HS. I have never forgotten what I was taught and in part what I still believe. I was raised in a democrat roman catholic family that went back 3 generations. Am I suppose to apologize to you wankers on this forum for that. The Democrats reinvented their sorry ass party not me. I know what the Democrat party stood for 50 years ago. I don't know what it stands for today. It looks nothing like the Democrat party I was raised in growing up. What is my other option? Join the even more sorry ass Republican party?? There is a reason why there are so many Americans who claim no political affiliation. The simple reason is neither party is worthy of our support.

[MDlaxfan76]

MD, this is kinda looking down the barrel of the MAGA-mindset, isn't it? The aggrieved, i-don't-give-a-fig what you think or what your opinion is, i just think you and all the liberal fools are WAY worse than any republican. Toss in a liberal (pun intended?) dose of "owning the libs" by dint of pushing out the most outrageously nonsensical half-truths, whataboutisms and false equivalencies, and VIOLA! You get this cranky, unbending, i-know-what-i-know political mindset that just simply has no room for nuanced, considered difference of opinion. What?? You're not allowed to change your mind? Cancel YOU, brotha...check!

Thus, a lifelong Republican that is HORRIFIED by what the party has become is somehow not genuine in his position...you are not ALLOWED to be a Republican who, daily, points out the trainwreck that party is in 2022 and how frustrating and depressing that is.

Wonder what Cranky woulda thought about all them Southern Dems jumpin' ship in 1964 after passage of the Civil Rights Act?

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Such a simple answer for you Dis... you FLP wankers are way more scary and dangerous than any Republican... yourself being the prime example. So were you a fan of Robert Byrd? He did exemplify everything you and your party believes in...you know there... hatin them white n****s and all...

Truth. +1

The next move by the FLP will be in the banking sector. They’ll pressure banks to not take deposits of ‘conservative’ organizations and persons.

Now, that's an intriguing idea!

Interesting projection though. Or confession.

"everything Trump says is either confession or projection" -Heileman
Same for his keyboard warriors.

[cradleandshoot]

cradle/cranky, you've made your position clear that you don't like any party, though it would be fair to say that while you claim to have no preference, 90+% of your continuous ire is aimed at the Dems, and very, very little aimed at the GOP. And I don't call it ever being otherwise.

You also refuse to read/comprehend what others say, even in the immediate responses. And instead turn around and claim their position is very, very different that what they just said.

Why?

seacoaster just made clear that the Dems have plenty of warts, hypocrisy, etc, far from perfect...while also clearly differentiating the current state of the parties.

He's right. And any honest, thoughtful, non-partisan person finds it easy to agree.

If you paid attention to what i have said here many, many, many, many times MD lax the Democrat party is the abysmal failure of my lifetime. It is the party 3 generations of my family dedicated their lives to. If you HAD been paying attention after all those posts.. you would understand that. Sorta the same reason why as a lifelong Republican you have your own personal contempt for YOUR own party. You come on this forum ripping YOUR party a new jerk everyday. I come on this forum ripping the party i USE to belong to a new jerk almost everyday. You of all people don't understand the difference, the guy who rips his own lifelong party a new jerk here every day. Do you have special privilege in that respect granted only to LIFELONG REPUBLICANS???

I've paid close attention, and maybe it's indeed just a reformed smoker sort of grinding of teeth that you do.

But what's your actual beef with the Dems, that they've grown too "liberal" on some issues during your lifetime, that Robert Byrd in his last decade of office rejected racism and segregation? Was opposed to Iraq war? too liberal for you?

Does it bother you that the Dem party has grown more urban/suburban, more diverse, and attracted far more women than the GOP...does it bother you that women have a much stronger role in the Dem party? Or is it race? or both?

How exactly are the Dems the "abysmal failure" of your "lifetime"? That the GOP has won so many Presidential elections or Congress so many times? Did you want the Dems to dominate continuously???

I have plenty of criticism of the current Dem party. By example, this refusal to stop stock trading in congress is pathetic.

And sure, you can certainly say that I'm grinding my teeth at how the extreme and stupid and vile have overtaken the GOP...not 100% of Republicans, but of the Party machinery and its office holders, up and down the levels. It's truly awful.

The extremes have not overtaken the Dems. They make noise, but they haven't overtaken the middle.

And to be clear, I don't want them to do so.

Right now my 'partisan' position is on behalf of democracy and in opposition to autocracy and authoritarianism.

What's yours?

Gross generalizations and open question bolded? Setting aside generic political class issues like front running the markets on financial asset personal account investments:

- Too interventionist (see my occasional notes in iatrogenics)
- Gaping disconnect between theoretical and real world boots in the ground combined with a seeming lack of respect for execution
- Too much skew regarding unfairness vs Liberty (which as a reasonable intelligent person would not reply with a “oh that’s a MaGA thing about liberties-anyone who’s thoughtful knows the classic push-pull is the line of freedom v Liberty, when I was registering to a party mid-late 90s my soon to be former party was much more reasonable on the liberty side than they are now)
- Lack of seeming interest in equality of opportunity in the sport of fairness

A lot of this can be chalked up to a inability and/or disinterest in considering 2nd and 3rd order events caused by action for the sake of action. To me the weighing of such considerations is a primary principle of true conservatism (which is different from what is labeled as conservative just like a lot of democrats who annexed the word “progressive” for their own use while propping up Clinton’s, Terry mcauliffe and others arguable including Biden whom I still view as “cleaner shirt in the dirty laundry”

Signed a migrating to independent dude. (Unlikely to be later than end of Q2 for change to be official)

my question was obviously not aimed at you, but interesting if hard to parse answer. But undoubtedly thoughtful.

IMO, there's plenty to not like about some of the Dem predilections, valid critiques on a whole range of issues. Yours would certainly be among those for consideration.

Robert Byrd deserved nothing from the Democrat party. He was a KKK leader and racist hate monger whose repudiation if his past is pure horsechit. He never deserved nor earned the respect and leadership he was given in the Democrat Party. You of all people on this forum are just simply giving him a pass. Why??? Because he apologized for his racist hate filled KKK leadership background. GMAFB...