Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

[a fan]

"expressing accelerating hysterically alarmist thoughts."

Got it. Checks a box for sure.

IMO counselor when I need the expression of accelerated hysterically alarmist thoughts your my go to guy. Who needs HCR when the real deal is right here among us.

"Republicans tend to cling to abstract theories about how the economy works—theories about high tariffs or tax cuts, for example, which tend to concentrate wealth upward—while Democrats are more pragmatic, willing to pay attention to facts on the ground and to historical lessons about what works and what doesn’t."

Those Democratic policies sure are working ‘great’ in Los Angeles

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ing-tracks

And Chicago

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chica ... mile-store

And Portland

https://www.kptv.com/news/portland-comm ... bb401.html

And Baltimore

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime ... story.html

If these Democratic policies work any ‘better’, we just might end up a 3rd world country!

Meh. Your team doesn't have any solutions to these issues, so who cares? Voting for Republicans won't help at all. Wouldn't it be great if you had Republicans running for office in those cities who had actual, simple to understand, tangible plans to fix these problems?

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[Peter Brown]

"expressing accelerating hysterically alarmist thoughts."

Got it. Checks a box for sure.

IMO counselor when I need the expression of accelerated hysterically alarmist thoughts your my go to guy. Who needs HCR when the real deal is right here among us.

"Republicans tend to cling to abstract theories about how the economy works—theories about high tariffs or tax cuts, for example, which tend to concentrate wealth upward—while Democrats are more pragmatic, willing to pay attention to facts on the ground and to historical lessons about what works and what doesn’t."

Those Democratic policies sure are working ‘great’ in Los Angeles

https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ing-tracks

And Chicago

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chica ... mile-store

And Portland

https://www.kptv.com/news/portland-comm ... bb401.html

And Baltimore

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime ... story.html

If these Democratic policies work any ‘better’, we just might end up a 3rd world country!

Meh. Your team doesn't have any solutions to these issues, so who cares? Voting for Republicans won't help at all. Wouldn't it be great if you had Republicans running for office in those cities who had actual, simple to understand, tangible plans to fix these problems?

I think ‘broken windows policing’ works…and is a Republican policy.

[a fan]

I think ‘broken windows policing’ works…and is a Republican policy.

You've been telling us since you arrived that you are VEHEMENTLY against policing and prosecuting non-violent crimes, Pete. Telling us that it's unAmerican, and inherently corrupt. Remember?

That means you're AGAINST broken windows policing. How come I have to spend so much time telling you what your supposed beliefs are, and how they relate to policy, Pete?

You tell us you hate socialism, yet attend a socialist University. When are you going to stop doing this?

[Peter Brown]

I think ‘broken windows policing’ works…and is a Republican policy.

You've been telling us since you arrived that you are VEHEMENTLY against policing and prosecuting non-violent crimes, Pete. Telling us that it's unAmerican, and inherently corrupt. Remember?

That means you're AGAINST broken windows policing. How come I have to spend so much time telling you what your supposed beliefs are, and how they relate to policy, Pete?

You tell us you hate socialism, yet attend a socialist University. When are you going to stop doing this?

You don’t understand what broken windows policing is. You take a simplistic, media-driven explanation and run in a field screaming ‘gotcha’.

Broken windows today would be stopping, with force, mass burglaries being committed today by gangs; it would be showing up in numbers to the NYC subways preventing people from being pushed onto the tracks; it would be differentiating violent and non violent crime, but also allowing judges the flexibility to hold violent criminals on no bail when necessary (the guy who ran over the marchers in Waukesha comes to mind, as he was granted. A $5 million bail, when one should be given); it would be ending violent crime committed by Antifa in cities like Portland and Minneapolis.

Neither nor I live in a high crime area, but I can tell you things are bad out there, and you are foolish to ignore it,

[a fan]

Broken windows today would be stopping, with force, mass burglaries being committed today by gangs; it would be showing up in numbers to the NYC subways preventing people from being pushed onto the tracks; it would be differentiating violent and non violent crime, but also allowing judges the flexibility to hold violent criminals on no bail when necessary (the guy who ran over the marchers in Waukesha comes to mind, as he was granted. A $5 million bail, when one should be given); it would be ending violent crime committed by Antifa in cities like Portland and Minneapolis. [/quote

So as usual, you want to make up your own definition for a word, and then point fingers at the rest of us for not using your new, entirely made up definition.

The above is not what broken window policing is, Pete. That's just policing.

Has nothing to do with keeping neighborhoods clean and orderly, and policing minor offenses like jaywalking, loitering, public drinking, vandalism, graffiti, etc. THAT is broken windows policing.

You understand that broken windows theory is a real thing, yeah? NYC, for exampled, hired an author of the theory to help police in the 90's?

[Farfromgeneva]

Broken windows today would be stopping, with force, mass burglaries being committed today by gangs; it would be showing up in numbers to the NYC subways preventing people from being pushed onto the tracks; it would be differentiating violent and non violent crime, but also allowing judges the flexibility to hold violent criminals on no bail when necessary (the guy who ran over the marchers in Waukesha comes to mind, as he was granted. A $5 million bail, when one should be given); it would be ending violent crime committed by Antifa in cities like Portland and Minneapolis. [/quote

So as usual, you want to make up your own definition for a word, and then point fingers at the rest of us for not using your new, entirely made up definition.

The above is not what broken window policing is, Pete. That's just policing.

Has nothing to do with keeping neighborhoods clean and orderly, and policing minor offenses like jaywalking, loitering, public drinking, vandalism, graffiti, etc. THAT is broken windows policing.

You understand that broken windows theory is a real thing, yeah? NYC, for exampled, hired an author of the theory to help police in the 90's?

Tipping Point makes quite the case that it wasn’t nearly as effective as it gets credit for. Narrative fallacy reigns supreme in this world.

[Peter Brown]

Broken windows today would be stopping, with force, mass burglaries being committed today by gangs; it would be showing up in numbers to the NYC subways preventing people from being pushed onto the tracks; it would be differentiating violent and non violent crime, but also allowing judges the flexibility to hold violent criminals on no bail when necessary (the guy who ran over the marchers in Waukesha comes to mind, as he was granted. A $5 million bail, when one should be given); it would be ending violent crime committed by Antifa in cities like Portland and Minneapolis. [/quote

So as usual, you want to make up your own definition for a word, and then point fingers at the rest of us for not using your new, entirely made up definition.

The above is not what broken window policing is, Pete. That's just policing.

Has nothing to do with keeping neighborhoods clean and orderly, and policing minor offenses like jaywalking, loitering, public drinking, vandalism, graffiti, etc. THAT is broken windows policing.

You understand that broken windows theory is a real thing, yeah? NYC, for exampled, hired an author of the theory to help police in the 90's?

I’m thinking you’re trying to convince yourself that runaway crime won’t be noticed by voters in the Fall. I’m gonna take the opposite side of that bet. I think people notice things like personal safety.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -mall.html

[NattyBohChamps04]

Building where Trump said Foxconn would be '8th wonder of the world' to be leased by food coloring company

More lies and corporate socialism by the Republicans. Why aren't we letting the free market decide where foreign companies build instead of handing them tons of cash?

Next you're gonna say you love broken window policing as something new and act like you didn't try to hammer Biden on it in the 2020 election.

[a fan]

Building where Trump said Foxconn would be '8th wonder of the world' to be leased by food coloring company

More lies and corporate socialism by the Republicans. Why aren't we letting the free market decide where foreign companies build instead of handing them tons of cash?

You can't tax multinational companies, NattyBoh. WFT, man....why are you trying to punish success?

[NattyBohChamps04]

Building where Trump said Foxconn would be '8th wonder of the world' to be leased by food coloring company

More lies and corporate socialism by the Republicans. Why aren't we letting the free market decide where foreign companies build instead of handing them tons of cash?

You can't tax multinational companies, NattyBoh. WFT, man....why are you trying to punish success?

Should we cut them off where it hurts and build our infrastructure and manufacturing back better?

No, we should impose tariffs that hurt our base and blame our hyper-capitalism failures on the other side!

[a fan]

Building where Trump said Foxconn would be '8th wonder of the world' to be leased by food coloring company

More lies and corporate socialism by the Republicans. Why aren't we letting the free market decide where foreign companies build instead of handing them tons of cash?

You can't tax multinational companies, NattyBoh. WFT, man....why are you trying to punish success?

Should we cut them off where it hurts and build our infrastructure and manufacturing back better?

No, we should impose tariffs that hurt our base and blame our hyper-capitalism failures on the other side!

Now yer talkin'!!! Now we just need to talk that Trump guy back into office, so he can finish (what was it other posters claimed?) oh, right.....we need Trump back so he can finish "standing up to China" !

[cradleandshoot]

"expressing accelerating hysterically alarmist thoughts."

Got it. Checks a box for sure.

IMO counselor when I need the expression of accelerated hysterically alarmist thoughts your my go to guy. Who needs HCR when the real deal is right here among us.

"Republicans tend to cling to abstract theories about how the economy works—theories about high tariffs or tax cuts, for example, which tend to concentrate wealth upward—while Democrats are more pragmatic, willing to pay attention to facts on the ground and to historical lessons about what works and what doesn’t."

I know this goes back many years.. but was LBJ willing to pay attention to the facts on the ground before he escalated the war in Vietnam? No, you Democrats are no different than the Republicans. What you are trying to tell me is the "new" Democrats are more refined and enlightened than the "old" Democrats. You remember those "old" Democrats. They were the enlightened party that allowed a POS like Robert Byrd to become an elder statesmen in their party. You remember that guy that was repulsed by all those " white n*****s" Your party that espouses the virtues of diversity and tolerance and peace and love and all that other horsechit. Please counselor, give me a break. I understand your a loyal party member but your party has more than its share of warts to deal with. That is the reason why so many people like myself detest the hypocrisy of both parties.

[Farfromgeneva]

Building where Trump said Foxconn would be '8th wonder of the world' to be leased by food coloring company

More lies and corporate socialism by the Republicans. Why aren't we letting the free market decide where foreign companies build instead of handing them tons of cash?

Next you're gonna say you love broken window policing as something new and act like you didn't try to hammer Biden on it in the 2020 election.

The FoxConn subsidies were ridiculous. That’s a politicians buying votes across party line problem though-like gerrymandering. There’s an entire industry of corporate tax incentive advisory firms that pit states against each other and are paid pretty well. It’s bizarre and foul. https://www.ctillc.com/

[seacoaster]

"expressing accelerating hysterically alarmist thoughts."

Got it. Checks a box for sure.

IMO counselor when I need the expression of accelerated hysterically alarmist thoughts your my go to guy. Who needs HCR when the real deal is right here among us.

"Republicans tend to cling to abstract theories about how the economy works—theories about high tariffs or tax cuts, for example, which tend to concentrate wealth upward—while Democrats are more pragmatic, willing to pay attention to facts on the ground and to historical lessons about what works and what doesn’t."

I know this goes back many years.. but was LBJ willing to pay attention to the facts on the ground before he escalated the war in Vietnam? No, you Democrats are no different than the Republicans. What you are trying to tell me is the "new" Democrats are more refined and enlightened than the "old" Democrats. You remember those "old" Democrats. They were the enlightened party that allowed a POS like Robert Byrd to become an elder statesmen in their party. You remember that guy that was repulsed by all those " white n*****s" Your party that espouses the virtues of diversity and tolerance and peace and love and all that other horsechit. Please counselor, give me a break. I understand your a loyal party member but your party has more than its share of warts to deal with. That is the reason why so many people like myself detest the hypocrisy of both parties.

Do you not see that your post effectively echoes exactly what I quoted from Richardson's article, even if in a different context? LBJ and Robert Byrd are dead, figuratively and literally. Every bit as much as the GOP is no longer anything like a "Party of Lincoln." What are Republicans in Congress doing -- repeat, doing -- about health care access for low and moderate incomes? About making voting easier and more inclusive? About creating incentives for workforce housing? About maintaining clean water and air? About better policing standards and training? About immigration reform? About creating an informed citizenry through public and affordable education?

The parties are not the same. The Democratic party is certainly grossly imperfect, and has its fair share of internal rancor and hypocrisy. But at least Democrats are trying to govern on important issues. Your pals on the right are burning books, denying science and portraying public health measures as preludes to Kristallnacht, describing infrastructure bills as "socialism" (and then turning around and taking credit for "delivering $70,000,000 for rural broadband!!"). Your fixation on the grievances of the past has, respectfully, retarded your understanding of the present.

[cradleandshoot]

"expressing accelerating hysterically alarmist thoughts."

Got it. Checks a box for sure.

IMO counselor when I need the expression of accelerated hysterically alarmist thoughts your my go to guy. Who needs HCR when the real deal is right here among us.

"Republicans tend to cling to abstract theories about how the economy works—theories about high tariffs or tax cuts, for example, which tend to concentrate wealth upward—while Democrats are more pragmatic, willing to pay attention to facts on the ground and to historical lessons about what works and what doesn’t."

I know this goes back many years.. but was LBJ willing to pay attention to the facts on the ground before he escalated the war in Vietnam? No, you Democrats are no different than the Republicans. What you are trying to tell me is the "new" Democrats are more refined and enlightened than the "old" Democrats. You remember those "old" Democrats. They were the enlightened party that allowed a POS like Robert Byrd to become an elder statesmen in their party. You remember that guy that was repulsed by all those " white n*****s" Your party that espouses the virtues of diversity and tolerance and peace and love and all that other horsechit. Please counselor, give me a break. I understand your a loyal party member but your party has more than its share of warts to deal with. That is the reason why so many people like myself detest the hypocrisy of both parties.

Do you not see that your post effectively echoes exact hily what I quoted from Richardson's article, even if in a different context? LBJ and Robert Byrd are dead, figuratively and literally. Every bit as much as the GOP is no longer anything like a "Party of Lincoln." What are Republicans in Congress doing -- repeat, doing -- about health care access for low and moderate incomes? About making voting easier and more inclusive? About creating incentives for workforce housing? About maintaining clean water and air? About better policing standards and training? About immigration reform? About creating an informed citizenry through public and affordable education?

The parties are not the same. The Democratic party is certainly grossly imperfect, and has its fair share of internal rancor and hypocrisy. But at least Democrats are trying to govern on important issues. Your pals on the right are burning books, denying science and portraying public health measures as preludes to Kristallnacht, describing infrastructure bills as "socialism" (and then turning around and taking credit for "delivering $70,000,000 for rural broadband!!"). Your fixation on the grievances of the past has, respectfully, retarded your understanding of the present.

I'm sorry counselor I don't see it and I never will. I have told you many times I was born and raised and bred in a family of Democrats that spanned at least 3 generations. I registered as a Democrat when I graduated HS in 1976. My first vote for POTUS was for Jimmy Carter. I have ALWAYS considered myself a Democrat. That political party chit sailed for me a very long time ago. If your intent is to try and convince me that YOUR Democrat party is new and improved your argument falls on deaf ears. Robert Byrd has not been dead for that long counselor. Has your party ripped down all of his statues and monuments and eradicated his legacy in his home state? Your party is no different than the Republicans. You expect gullible Americans to blindly believe the same horse chit your trying to pass off on to me.. that your party is kind, compassionate and only wants what's best for the average American. All your party wants it power and control and to dictate the new age Democrat manifesto on the American sheeple. FTR, I don't blame them for their effort, I'm just calling it out for what it is.