Johns Hopkins 2022

[wgdsr]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

I know…..not sure he has gotten a mention on Twitter, Instagram or Inside Lacrosse. The guy produced top 10 offenses routinely. Just surprised that it’s always assumed that his offense will be scrapped and some offense Gary devises will be implemented. Nobody is playing 1980’s lacrosse. I can see if Gary was coaching a men’s team and it would be easier to imagine but not sure why it’s assumed Syracuse problem’s were offense. Gary’s impact may be more about team culture and the environment. Hiltz going down is a big blow. I hope “fun” returns.

[jhu7276]

I will be at Reunion and the Michigan game this year.

[wgdsr]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

I know…..not sure he has gotten a mention on Twitter, Instagram or Inside Lacrosse. The guy produced top 10 offenses routinely. Just surprised that it’s always assumed that his offense will be scrapped and some offense Gary devises will be implemented. Nobody is playing 1980’s lacrosse. I can see if Gary was coaching a men’s team and it would be easier to imagine but not sure why it’s assumed Syracuse problem’s were offense. Gary’s impact may be more about team culture and the environment. Hiltz going down is a big blow. I hope “fun” returns.

i suspect they will be working in combination on offense (much moreso than d other than gg overlaying philosophy). but i don't know. their problems were both 2 gpg too low and 2 ga pg too high.

pace will change is my guess. elements of what both march and ggait like and i would guess they'll mesh. again, call it a freeing up for march to paint. they had horses last year and should've been better. pre-gg, march got a lot of "press" since hire. whether il praises him (or more likely not... not as sexy as gg and petro), great results will put him in good stead if he has a next step in mind.
he's not going against ivy defenses. we'll see. (wink)

[HopFan16]

thoughts on moving this to the syracuse thread

[wgdsr]

thoughts on moving this to the syracuse thread

i said petro!!!

[jrn19]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

Not to clog up the Hop thread with Cuse talk; but they were Top 5 in offensive efficiency last year. The 12 gpg can be put down more to having the worst FOGO in a dominant FOGO league IMO

[wgdsr]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

Not to clog up the Hop thread with Cuse talk; but they were Top 5 in offensive efficiency last year. The 12 gpg can be put down more to having the worst FOGO in a dominant FOGO league IMO

that doesn't account for 2 and 3 gpg less on the season than top teams. each way. not even close.

i also don't know the methodology exactly, but look at the top defensive efficiency teams from probably the same source and i question it.

bloomberg and hopkins had a bit of a scare this weekend.

[DMac]

Gary only knows one way to play the game and that's loose and wide open, he even plays catch that way.
No way he doesn't bring that to his team, call it culture or style of play...whatever you want. He'll let his
boys play just like he did his girls.

[DocBarrister]

Gary only knows one way to play the game and that's loose and wide open, he even plays catch that way.
No way he doesn't bring that to his team, call it culture or style of play...whatever you want. He'll let his
boys play just like he did his girls.

Will that apply to his defense?

’Cause there’s a big guy, about 6ft 4in tall and over 240 lbs, who seems to have a different take on things.

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

I started watching the game in real time, paused to take the dog for his run through the woods in northern Baltimore County, and finished it on replay after watching the UVA-AF replay. Watch ESPN said the replay is available tomorrow at 10 am, but I got it this afternoon. I don’t know how any of this works if you are watching on cable tv, which I have never had. I just get HULU for the months of January through May and watch on the computer or phone.
I thought golf was a warm weather activity. Wind chill was below 20 around here this morning! Even the hound was glad to cut his run short today! Good on ya for taking the cold. I’m told it builds character, something I’ve never been accused of having in abundance.

I'm in Florida for Covid duty...

[molo]

Didn't think there would have been too many golfers around here yesterday, but my buddy who is a golf pro tells me some are pretty fanatical.

[jrn19]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

Not to clog up the Hop thread with Cuse talk; but they were Top 5 in offensive efficiency last year. The 12 gpg can be put down more to having the worst FOGO in a dominant FOGO league IMO

that doesn't account for 2 and 3 gpg less on the season than top teams. each way. not even close.

i also don't know the methodology exactly, but look at the top defensive efficiency teams from probably the same source and i question it.

bloomberg and hopkins had a bit of a scare this weekend.

Winning way less faceoffs can absolutely add up to 2 or 3 less goals per game. Especially if we're talking about offenses like Carolina's or Maryland's or UVA's last year. Virginia won *120* more faceoffs than Cuse last year. That'll add up to 3-4, 5 a game over a full season. Perhaps not surprisingly, the game where Cuse scored it's most goals vs a top team was the UVA game on 2/27, where they won 22/33 faceoffs.

Also, efficiency is literally just dividing goals by possessions. That's it. If you're "questioning the methodology", you're just questioning math. Which is weird, considering math is what you're using when you're using goals per game.

[wgdsr]

I see what you are saying, wgdsr. My point is that Gait has produced zero results as a D1 men's lacrosse coach. Listen, he may turn out to be a spectacular hire, and I can see part of the appeal, but results were not the reason he got the job.

we'll just disagree. putting it this way-- you think he's hired if they're a middling women's team? not a chance, imo.
and that's a strange take given galloway. is galloway hired at umd, uva, nd, duke, or unc if those jobs came up? he's behind 2 guys in his own conference!

if you're speaking brand, buzz... it's beyond that, too. as likely that brand beyond heyday is that gait's most likely to turn them into that old run and gun style and give them their identity back beyond g gait is your coach. plus just maybe you're not paying 2 coaches big bucks as a bonus (tho that may be wrong or non factor).

Syracuse has a pretty good offensive coordinator. Not sure why people seem to think Syracuse just has two coaches.

i was talking womens and mens head coaches.

march has been lost in the wash. to be fair, they scored 12? gpg last year. that doesn't do it in the shot clock era. my guess at the minimum they'll push more transition and be less constrained on offense. gait will give him that freedom. so we'll see what he's got even if he doesn't get the credit.

Not to clog up the Hop thread with Cuse talk; but they were Top 5 in offensive efficiency last year. The 12 gpg can be put down more to having the worst FOGO in a dominant FOGO league IMO

that doesn't account for 2 and 3 gpg less on the season than top teams. each way. not even close.

i also don't know the methodology exactly, but look at the top defensive efficiency teams from probably the same source and i question it.

bloomberg and hopkins had a bit of a scare this weekend.

Winning way less faceoffs can absolutely add up to 2 or 3 less goals per game. Especially if we're talking about offenses like Carolina's or Maryland's or UVA's last year. Virginia won *120* more faceoffs than Cuse last year. That'll add up to 3-4, 5 a game over a full season. Perhaps not surprisingly, the game where Cuse scored it's most goals vs a top team was the UVA game on 2/27, where they won 22/33 faceoffs.

Also, efficiency is literally just dividing goals by possessions. That's it. If you're "questioning the methodology", you're just questioning math. Which is weird, considering math is what you're using when you're using goals per game.

post a list for everyone of the top 40 defenses by defensive efficiency.

cuse didnt play as many games. they also were at .516 faceoff. barely different than unc maybe the same or better than umd? duke was 7% higher? uva and nd the most at .61 and .62. 10% differnce. using the biggest gap only, they'd have ~40 possessions but subtract out 35% of those (goals scored before they could get their hands on the ball). so about 26. say they score themselves on 35% of those. that's 9 goals in 13 games. that's the math.

[hmmm]

Dan Aburn
@dan_aburn_
The Hopkins laxpower forum post on this game vs JAX would have 100 pages right now.

Fan club!
-chauvette started but was benched w/grimes moving up and raposo on 2nd midfield
-not great games from peschko or grimes
-smith seemed a lot more confident
-not sure if its new but shure moving to ssdm seems to indicate confidence in what they have at lsm more than ssdm beyond martin
-nice tributes from quint to schnydman at start of 3rd and to the jaguar kid who lost his dad recently
-epstein has to make the score sheet against a team like this
-zinn and murphy both posted multi point games today
-the size at midfield and experience at ssdm really stood out
-not much in transition for ju today and we won the start to both halves-big positives.
-qk was ENRAGED they ran out of hot dogs-probably a sign more people showed up than they thought which is good sign of interest.
-jaguars were a credible opponent who I am sure will draw interest in ooc games after this
-nice showing for tufts/d3 w/their transfer posting 4 goals for jacksonville.
-cottle did a nice interview w/petro on lacrosse all stars spotify podcast, 75 minutes where he opens up more than his other stuff. The tinney and tom garvey commets were high quality and something that message board all americans perhaps did not see in his tenure.

Shure played SSDM last year and was often paired with Martin. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t notice Jaronski out there. That was the bigger SSDM surprise.

Isn’t Jaronski injured?

DocBarrister

He's not injured. Covid

[Drcthru]

Kirson with a 42.9% save percentage today.

Where have we seen that before?

The Hopkins D has not played badly in front of him.

DocBarrister

And one of those was a heave from midfield at the end of the half. Plus two that nicked him on the way to hitting the pipe. Struggling to remember a clean save.

That last one to close the game was clutch lol

Openly rooting against your own goalie is about as lame as it gets...grow up and get a life

Big difference between rooting against and offering commentary and making light of it at that. The good news for you is I suspect we won’t have to have this back and forth for much longer.

I don't expect Kirson to survive much past the Georgetown game. He'll get bombed and be out by halftime. If Gtown doesn't get him Loyola will. He was a stellar 2-7 last year and at this point it's obvious to everyone but our new coaching staff that he can't get the job done. Marcille took the team to the Big Title game. How hard is this to figure out? If they don't want to play Marcille, give GIB and chance and see what he can do.
Kirson is a proven failure.
Whenever the coach says for the benefit of the "program" you know there's some BS factor entering into the decision. Like, for instance, if we don't play this guy we won't be able to get any other kids to transfer. Who knows what factors go into their decisions, but this one is hard to fathom. I can recall another recent Hopkins coach who loyally stuck by his goalie right up until the day they unceremoniously pulled the plug on him.

can your b.s. the guy earned the starting spot today. go kick your dog.

Did he earn it or did the HC make a call on what was best for the program. What does that even mean? By all accounts Gib outplayed Kirson last weekend. So who earned what? Coach K has his guy. Coach Annino has his. Marcille gets left out in the cold and Milliman makes the call. But I suppose Kirsons dad will come and tell me I’ve got it all wrong.

I’m willing to wait and hear MDlaxfan’s expert opinion on Kirson’s play today.

I know the stats and I have my opinion as a fan. I have watched Kirson’s performance on television. But I’m willing to hear from an expert who has played the game at the highest level and who has watched goalie play for pretty near half a century. Doesn’t mean his opinion will be gospel, but it would be really helpful to hear.

DocBarrister

Not a strong day apparently (50%, and a soft 50%, against Jacksonville is not killing it), but I was on the golf course during the first half, so all I really "saw" were the stats and the running commentary on here. Can't comment on whether he was beaten by shots that should have been stopped or clearing etc. It was a cold day...no fun for tenders generally speaking.

Second half showed me little to go on.

If there's a place I could watch the first half, I'll do so and offer my opinion for what little it's worth. (link?)

Stepping back from any one game though, my initial assumption is that the coaches see what they see in practice and make the call based on who they think helps the team win in any particular game. I'd need a bunch of evidence to suggest they aren't doing so in this case.

That said, I'm a bit perplexed by whether there's an additional meaning to what you say Milliman put out there about helping the program...if that means playing someone because he has more seasons to contribute, that'd definitely bother me. (Play your best guy for this week, this half, period). But it may just mean that he's choosing the guy who he thinks gives them the best chance to win right now. And the comment above about running the defense might well be an important factor for game one.

So, I'll reserve judgment until I see more. And, of course, we don't know for sure what others can provide right now. I was thinking Versfeld might be the strongest, based on the commentary a fan had re # of goals and saves etc last week, but he's being clear that he may not have had it correctly. But it sure sounded like that was the case.

But I definitely agree that it's a big open question.

And coaches do sometimes err in these judgments.

BTW, was Webb dressed...or injured perhaps?

Game will be re-broadcast tomorrow morning. Set your DVR.

Thanks, MDlf and TLD.

Yes, game will be re-broadcast (probably in slightly abbreviated form) tomorrow morning on ESPNU.

Also, the full replay is available on the ESPN app (I assume you subscribe to ESPN or the full Disney+ package).

DocBarrister

Replay on ESPN3 available a few hours after game concludes. No subscription required but may need cable provider.

[DocBarrister]

I will be at Reunion and the Michigan game this year.

You’re back!

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Dan Aburn
@dan_aburn_
The Hopkins laxpower forum post on this game vs JAX would have 100 pages right now.

Fan club!
-chauvette started but was benched w/grimes moving up and raposo on 2nd midfield
-not great games from peschko or grimes
-smith seemed a lot more confident
-not sure if its new but shure moving to ssdm seems to indicate confidence in what they have at lsm more than ssdm beyond martin
-nice tributes from quint to schnydman at start of 3rd and to the jaguar kid who lost his dad recently
-epstein has to make the score sheet against a team like this
-zinn and murphy both posted multi point games today
-the size at midfield and experience at ssdm really stood out
-not much in transition for ju today and we won the start to both halves-big positives.
-qk was ENRAGED they ran out of hot dogs-probably a sign more people showed up than they thought which is good sign of interest.
-jaguars were a credible opponent who I am sure will draw interest in ooc games after this
-nice showing for tufts/d3 w/their transfer posting 4 goals for jacksonville.
-cottle did a nice interview w/petro on lacrosse all stars spotify podcast, 75 minutes where he opens up more than his other stuff. The tinney and tom garvey commets were high quality and something that message board all americans perhaps did not see in his tenure.

Shure played SSDM last year and was often paired with Martin. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t notice Jaronski out there. That was the bigger SSDM surprise.

Isn’t Jaronski injured?

DocBarrister

He's not injured. Covid

Thanks for the clarification.

DocBarrister

[51percentcorn]

So there is a little video clip of Milliman speaking - I assume after the game - on IL but the audio doesn't work (at least for me it doesn't). It's buried within the UVA Stays the Course Denver Survives Utes Upset Bid yada yada article. If anyone else can hear what he says I would be interested if there were any observations of note or just normal coach speak

[HopFan16]

So there is a little video clip of Milliman speaking - I assume after the game - on IL but the audio doesn't work (at least for me it doesn't). It's buried within the UVA Stays the Course Denver Survives Utes Upset Bid yada yada article. If anyone else can hear what he says I would be interested if there were any observations of note or just normal coach speak

It's also on the team website at the top of the recap article. Mostly coachspeak. "Nice atmosphere but cold, expected early-season sloppiness, good energy/excitement, happy with a win but lots of things to work on, etc." He gave a lot of credit to Jacksonville, praised DeSo for being patient and letting the game come to him.

Hope Jaronski is back soon. SSDMs held up well this weekend but you can always use more depth there especially as the schedule gets harder.