All things CoronaVirus

[jhu72]

The short answer is, Because (some) people aren't getting vaccinated.

tld has posted numerous times about the world's excess death toll. that it's many fold (4x? 5x?) higher than covid figures put out.

i said a year and a half ago that'll be the number to look at. i've also posted many times about how countries' excess deaths are so much higher than ours. and yet there are still learned? people on here, even today on this thread, and in the media, who continue to promote this. and it goes unquestioned.

of course, before it was trump's fault. and now, it's red guys who love trump. they love him all the way to timbuktu.

... is the grave yard in timbuktu??

[Typical Lax Dad]

I believe this is now two JHU professionals discredited on this thread..given time, they will be considered a shithole university.

Makary is a pancreatic cancer surgeon. So while he's a doctor, he's not inside his expertise when it comes to Covid. He's gotten lots of criticism over the past two years:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading.

Hanke is an economist. So even more out of his element. And he's a big time partisan.

TBD if their ideas hold up under scrutiny. Which isn't suppression or cancellation. Just honest discussion and debate.

Definitely not a coincidence that both seem to only show up inside the friendly confines of FNC. Where few critical questions will be asked.

My friend, whose wife works at the Hopkins Hospital, was hapoybto point me to an article that Makary penned in the Wall Street Journal that indicated that the USA would reach herd immunity by May of 2021 and of course he must right because the guy was from “Hopkins” and in was in the “WSJ”. I read it and told him the guy didn’t know what he was talking about and there is a reason why I don’t read the WSJ “OPINION” pages any longer. He thought I was crazy….He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

who was right? when? inside 1st week after the nba shut down, my brother told me 18 months minimum.

18 months before we do herd or 18 months minimum before the pandemic is over? He would be right on both accounts.

[MDlaxfan76]

I’ve never worn a mask except at the very beginning only at Publix. Kids here don’t wear masks. I don’t know how anyone can drive by a school and not feel awful for kids forced to wear masks.

Now that there's a vaccine? I agree. Where there wasn't a vaccine, I felt bad for school employees who could get it from kids, and drop dead.

Kids in Florida for the overwhelming majority do not wear masks. I’ve never understood the mania with masking

Simple solution for ya: ban masks in Hospitals. You claim that you think they don't work (I don't believe you), great. Ask DeSantis to ban their use in hospitals and dentist offices.

Problem solved. They don't work, right? So why blow all that money, and fill up all those landfills if they don't work, right?

Where are you on handwashing, Pete? Should we get rid of those mandates in those restaurants you enjoy? Or hospitals?

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

So viruses don't happen in restaurants, restaurant workers shouldn't wash their hands?

Masks do or do not work to reduce spread of disease, especially respiratory spread diseases? I guess you're saying they DO work, you just don't like using them.

This is nonsensical, and I agree with a fan, we don't buy that you actually believe this partisan BS.

We've been in a respiratory pandemic where the infected asymptomatic are spreading virus prior to ever knowing they are infected (much less after) and where those spreading virus have no real way of knowing who is "immunocompromised" (and two thirds of American adults are overweight to the point of statistically significant increased health risks and 18% of children are as well). There's really no indoor setting with lots of people in which a single infected individual could not unknowingly spread the virus to dozens and dozens of others, and they to dozens and dozens more each. Doesn't matter the purpose of the location, whether it's kids and teachers, dishwashers and cooks, or office workers...all indeed are vectors...just a reality.

But if you truly believed that masks don't work, and it's unreasonable to require their use, an infringement on liberty, you'd ban mandates from any setting...including hospitals and likewise you'd ban hand washing mandates for restaurant workers.

[MDlaxfan76]

I believe this is now two JHU professionals discredited on this thread..given time, they will be considered a shithole university.

Makary is a pancreatic cancer surgeon. So while he's a doctor, he's not inside his expertise when it comes to Covid. He's gotten lots of criticism over the past two years:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading.

Hanke is an economist. So even more out of his element. And he's a big time partisan.

TBD if their ideas hold up under scrutiny. Which isn't suppression or cancellation. Just honest discussion and debate.

Definitely not a coincidence that both seem to only show up inside the friendly confines of FNC. Where few critical questions will be asked.

My friend, whose wife works at the Hopkins Hospital, was hapoybto point me to an article that Makary penned in the Wall Street Journal that indicated that the USA would reach herd immunity by May of 2021 and of course he must right because the guy was from “Hopkins” and in was in the “WSJ”. I read it and told him the guy didn’t know what he was talking about and there is a reason why I don’t read the WSJ “OPINION” pages any longer. He thought I was crazy….He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

who was right? when? inside 1st week after the nba shut down, my brother told me 18 months minimum.

18 months before we do herd or 18 months minimum before the pandemic is over? He would be right on both accounts.

minimum being the operative word in those sentences!

[wgdsr]

I believe this is now two JHU professionals discredited on this thread..given time, they will be considered a shithole university.

Makary is a pancreatic cancer surgeon. So while he's a doctor, he's not inside his expertise when it comes to Covid. He's gotten lots of criticism over the past two years:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading.

Hanke is an economist. So even more out of his element. And he's a big time partisan.

TBD if their ideas hold up under scrutiny. Which isn't suppression or cancellation. Just honest discussion and debate.

Definitely not a coincidence that both seem to only show up inside the friendly confines of FNC. Where few critical questions will be asked.

My friend, whose wife works at the Hopkins Hospital, was hapoybto point me to an article that Makary penned in the Wall Street Journal that indicated that the USA would reach herd immunity by May of 2021 and of course he must right because the guy was from “Hopkins” and in was in the “WSJ”. I read it and told him the guy didn’t know what he was talking about and there is a reason why I don’t read the WSJ “OPINION” pages any longer. He thought I was crazy….He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

who was right? when? inside 1st week after the nba shut down, my brother told me 18 months minimum.

18 months before we do herd or 18 months minimum before the pandemic is over? He would be right on both accounts.

18 months + we're in this mess.

what inning are we in?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I believe this is now two JHU professionals discredited on this thread..given time, they will be considered a shithole university.

Makary is a pancreatic cancer surgeon. So while he's a doctor, he's not inside his expertise when it comes to Covid. He's gotten lots of criticism over the past two years:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading.

Hanke is an economist. So even more out of his element. And he's a big time partisan.

TBD if their ideas hold up under scrutiny. Which isn't suppression or cancellation. Just honest discussion and debate.

Definitely not a coincidence that both seem to only show up inside the friendly confines of FNC. Where few critical questions will be asked.

My friend, whose wife works at the Hopkins Hospital, was hapoybto point me to an article that Makary penned in the Wall Street Journal that indicated that the USA would reach herd immunity by May of 2021 and of course he must right because the guy was from “Hopkins” and in was in the “WSJ”. I read it and told him the guy didn’t know what he was talking about and there is a reason why I don’t read the WSJ “OPINION” pages any longer. He thought I was crazy….He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

who was right? when? inside 1st week after the nba shut down, my brother told me 18 months minimum.

18 months before we do herd or 18 months minimum before the pandemic is over? He would be right on both accounts.

18 months + we're in this mess.

what inning are we in?

Are you surprised? I am not. It was speculated from the very beginning that this was a likely path…..I am also not surprised that we are spoiled and soft. Don’t want the hard medicine. We like our bottle service.

[wgdsr]

I believe this is now two JHU professionals discredited on this thread..given time, they will be considered a shithole university.

Makary is a pancreatic cancer surgeon. So while he's a doctor, he's not inside his expertise when it comes to Covid. He's gotten lots of criticism over the past two years:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading.

Hanke is an economist. So even more out of his element. And he's a big time partisan.

TBD if their ideas hold up under scrutiny. Which isn't suppression or cancellation. Just honest discussion and debate.

Definitely not a coincidence that both seem to only show up inside the friendly confines of FNC. Where few critical questions will be asked.

My friend, whose wife works at the Hopkins Hospital, was hapoybto point me to an article that Makary penned in the Wall Street Journal that indicated that the USA would reach herd immunity by May of 2021 and of course he must right because the guy was from “Hopkins” and in was in the “WSJ”. I read it and told him the guy didn’t know what he was talking about and there is a reason why I don’t read the WSJ “OPINION” pages any longer. He thought I was crazy….He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

who was right? when? inside 1st week after the nba shut down, my brother told me 18 months minimum.

18 months before we do herd or 18 months minimum before the pandemic is over? He would be right on both accounts.

18 months + we're in this mess.

what inning are we in?

Are you surprised? I am not. It was speculated from the very beginning that this was a likely path…..I am also not surprised that we are spoiled and soft. Don’t want the hard medicine. We like our bottle service.

nothing surprises me anymore. like... at all. it was profitable advice.

[a fan]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I believe this is now two JHU professionals discredited on this thread..given time, they will be considered a shithole university.

Makary is a pancreatic cancer surgeon. So while he's a doctor, he's not inside his expertise when it comes to Covid. He's gotten lots of criticism over the past two years:

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Makary has been an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates, CDC policies, and restrictions at colleges and universities. He has been repeatedly criticized by infectious disease specialists for overstating the protection offered by previous COVID-19 infection and for making public health recommendations "beyond his area of expertise" that have been characterized as dubious and misleading.

Hanke is an economist. So even more out of his element. And he's a big time partisan.

TBD if their ideas hold up under scrutiny. Which isn't suppression or cancellation. Just honest discussion and debate.

Definitely not a coincidence that both seem to only show up inside the friendly confines of FNC. Where few critical questions will be asked.

My friend, whose wife works at the Hopkins Hospital, was hapoybto point me to an article that Makary penned in the Wall Street Journal that indicated that the USA would reach herd immunity by May of 2021 and of course he must right because the guy was from “Hopkins” and in was in the “WSJ”. I read it and told him the guy didn’t know what he was talking about and there is a reason why I don’t read the WSJ “OPINION” pages any longer. He thought I was crazy….He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

who was right? when? inside 1st week after the nba shut down, my brother told me 18 months minimum.

18 months before we do herd or 18 months minimum before the pandemic is over? He would be right on both accounts.

18 months + we're in this mess.

what inning are we in?

Are you surprised? I am not. It was speculated from the very beginning that this was a likely path…..I am also not surprised that we are spoiled and soft. Don’t want the hard medicine. We like our bottle service.

nothing surprises me anymore. like... at all. it was profitable advice.

It didn’t surprise me at the time it was speculated….during Spring of 2020. Nothing that has happened, wasn’t speculated way back then. It was mostly ignored. We Americans..We Different.. We Built for this.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

A repeat…

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... e-1918.htm

Old news. We are probably between 15,000,000 and 20,000,000

Not sure why anyone is surprised that we are still in it. Would be much worse without vaccines.

[ggait]

trump's guy at the FDA, now at pfizer, is just A....ok...with you ?

I listen to Gottlieb because he is well qualified, says logical things, and has a pretty good track record on Covid pronouncements. Bonus points for being a good communicator.

Same goes for Osterholm from UMinn. Or Hotez from Baylor.

He’s no different than Trump’s ortho guy from Stanford that was providing infectious disease expertise.

In contrast, Atlas seemed like a hack, was not well qualified for what he was speaking on, and was almost always wrong. Stanford degree doesn't change any of that.

Same goes for Ben Carson. Smart doctor obviously. But demonstrated low credibility on many fronts.

[jhu72]

I guess lying priests aren't afforded natural (God's) antibodies.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I guess lying priests aren't afforded natural (God's) antibodies.

He may find out that he was wrong on two fronts. Definitely wrong on one.

[Peter Brown]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

The accelerating number of professionals who disagree with the Fanlax left has to be of some note.

Herewith, Dr. Stefanos Kales of Harvard. I’ll wait to see which details of this doctor and professor we all find wanting, but let me first tell you what he’s saying:

Dr. Stefanos Kales, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical school, told CNBC this week that the government made mistakes early on by choosing to value the opinions of infectious disease experts over all others during the early stages of the pandemic.

'I think what we saw is the danger of turning over public policy and public health recommendations to people who have had their careers exclusively focused on infectious diseases as opposed to public health in general,' he said.

Last month, he published an article on LinkedIn calling for pandemic-related measures to be focused on the vulnerable instead the population as a whole. While some people with comorbidities that put them at risk of serious complications from the virus still do need some safeguards, the average healthy, vaccinated, person is totally OK, he said.

'We badly need to allow the general public, particularly the young, to get back to normal life,' he wrote.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... demic.html

Let the critiques flow.

[runrussellrun]

vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

So, how did mdlaxfan get infected ? jhu72? others ?

oh, right, the snake oil spin........change what was on the FDA application.

"less mild", etc.....nowhere to be found

So, that "better call Saul" storyline about the Mesa Verde address being wrong was an inaccurate depiction of the details govt. agencies want to see in applications for approvals.

Ahh......what's a decimal point, or two. Just shut up, and take trumps fake "vaccine"

Yeah, got it Bart, thanks. Maryland isn't tracking infections of the vaccinated. Prove that they are ? nah don't.........we are all dug in. Remember, the Jand J vaccine is still being given, yes? That keep you out of the hospital, like mrna.

Why does mRNA spell out....MR. NA,,,,,,as in no....mr. no.

Fauci is 80 years old, but JHU72 goes after a collegue of the same age as being .......yikes. Keep on staying unsick, you vaxxed up people. Who else on these threads got covid, fully vaccinated. yikes. yup....they work. Keep the fraud lie, that "less sick" was being spun, prior to last summer? prove that such language exists? Oh well, we have supreme ct. justices that are spewing unfacts. insane.

C'mon. You need to come up with a new rant. How many times have you used this in the past few pages.

As many times as its brought up as the reason for the season..........vaccines don't prevent, they subdue....narrative.

Got it that posting videos and "articles", saying that the purpose of the shots are....to reduce...isn't the same rant. over and over. Cut me some slack, plenty of posts claiming, falsely, that "vaccines" were always set up to only reduce, not prevent.

Should I rant about natural immunity as being ........

exactly

carry on, geez

[wgdsr]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

the who made a delineation from hospitals and (other) real world situations for a reason in 2020. they still do, to this day.

why? because measuring how it works or doesn't doesn't happen in a lab. and clinical trials are too dangerous.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

the who made a delineation from hospitals and (other) real world situations for a reason in 2020. they still do, to this day.

why? because measuring how it works or doesn't doesn't happen in a lab. and clinical trials are too dangerous.

Masks don’t work. Those crazy Asians have been wearing them for years for nothing. What do they know. They should take them off….what have they got to lose?

[wgdsr]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

the who made a delineation from hospitals and (other) real world situations for a reason in 2020. they still do, to this day.

why? because measuring how it works or doesn't doesn't happen in a lab. and clinical trials are too dangerous.

Masks don’t work. Those crazy Asians have been wearing them for years for nothing. What do they know. They should take them off….what have they got to lose?

exactly.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hospitals by their very definition are places where both viruses exist (sick people) and where people with immunocompromised conditions seek help. Of course employees should wear masks.

Oh....so masks do indeed work. Nice to know.

Schools are not hospitals. Workplaces are not hospitals. Restaurants are not hospitals. Christmas parties are not surgical centers.

The media has convinced too many of us that every American is a walking disease vector.

No. That would be scientists, Pete. Which is why surgeons scrub up and wear gloves and masks. And why brewers, for example, sanitize all their equipment before brewing...because bacteria is literally everywhere on planet Earth.

I thought you had pulled back on the trolling, Pete? I'm back to explaining things that we figured out in the 1880s to you. What gives?

the who made a delineation from hospitals and (other) real world situations for a reason in 2020. they still do, to this day.

why? because measuring how it works or doesn't doesn't happen in a lab. and clinical trials are too dangerous.

Masks don’t work. Those crazy Asians have been wearing them for years for nothing. What do they know. They should take them off….what have they got to lose?

exactly.

You know what doesn’t work?