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ggait wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:49 pm
There seems to be board consensus on limiting the terms of judges; I agree. 20 year terms would be my preference, which would as a side benefit elevate the ages of SCOTUS judges…soon enough, Dems will be nominating 25 year old College Socialist Party presidents from Oberlin.
Um, the wet behind the ears nominee is primarily a GOP (in bold) thing fyi. #actualfacts

Justices listed by age at nomination time:

Thomas 43
Rhenquist 47
Barrett 48
Gorsuch 49
Roberts 50
Souter 50
Scalia 50


Kagan 50

SDO 51
Kennedy 51
Kav 53


Soto 54

Alito 55

Breyer 55
Ginsburg 60
Garland 63


Betting favorite Leondra Kruger: 45
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Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Also backing Biden and p*ssing on the Russia apologists over the Ukraine issue. He also shot down the Trumpnista / Republican argument that a black women is just affirmative action. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
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jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:19 am Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Also backing Biden and p*ssing on the Russia apologists over the Ukraine issue. He also shot down the Trumpnista / Republican argument that a black women is just affirmative action. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
And then there is Collins, who really never fails to disappoint:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1487814015720038400

You really have to wonder why she goes on these shows -- showcasing her slow-witted idiocy.
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seacoaster wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:08 pm
jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:19 am Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Also backing Biden and p*ssing on the Russia apologists over the Ukraine issue. He also shot down the Trumpnista / Republican argument that a black women is just affirmative action. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
And then there is Collins, who really never fails to disappoint:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1487814015720038400

You really have to wonder why she goes on these shows -- showcasing her slow-witted idiocy.
... I caught the Collins act as well. Holding character. Graham has been abducted by aliens. Something is up.
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Federal court finds for freedom of speech and blocks Abbott's anti-Israel boycott law.
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jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:19 am Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
Lindsey is totally on brand/on the reservation. Which is saying today whatever Lindsey thinks is good for him. And then saying something completely different tomorrow if it suits him.

Of course Graham would endorse Childs:

1. Dems have the 51 votes to confirm a manhole cover to SCOTUS. So Lindsey has no ability to impact the outcome.

2. Lindsey is from SC. Would be pretty bad local politics for Lindsey to oppose anyone from SC going onto SCOTUS. Has SC had a justice since George Washington appointed John Rutledge?

Lindsey isn't dumb; he's craven and spineless.
Boycott stupid. Country over party.
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ggait wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:39 pm
jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:19 am Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
Lindsey is totally on brand/on the reservation. Which is saying today whatever Lindsey thinks is good for him. And then saying something completely different tomorrow if it suits him.

Of course Graham would endorse Childs:

1. Dems have the 51 votes to confirm a manhole cover to SCOTUS. So Lindsey has no ability to impact the outcome.

2. Lindsey is from SC. Would be pretty bad local politics for Lindsey to oppose anyone from SC going onto SCOTUS. Has SC had a justice since George Washington appointed John Rutledge?

Lindsey isn't dumb; he's craven and spineless.
A friend that lives in South Carolina calls him White Jacket/Black Jacket….
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ggait wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:39 pm
jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:19 am Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
Lindsey is totally on brand/on the reservation. Which is saying today whatever Lindsey thinks is good for him. And then saying something completely different tomorrow if it suits him.

Of course Graham would endorse Childs:

1. Dems have the 51 votes to confirm a manhole cover to SCOTUS. So Lindsey has no ability to impact the outcome.

2. Lindsey is from SC. Would be pretty bad local politics for Lindsey to oppose anyone from SC going onto SCOTUS. Has SC had a justice since George Washington appointed John Rutledge?

Lindsey isn't dumb; he's craven and spineless.
... yes Lindsey is craven and spineless. Why would perfectly red state voters not have a problem as Graham supports a perfectly Black liberal SCOTUS nominee. I don't think being from the same state as the nominee explains it. These red state voters don't care that she is from SC.
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jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:40 pm Federal court finds for freedom of speech and blocks Abbott's anti-Israel boycott law.
What the Supremes thing about Art. I........actually having a "more" representive government, like the US Constitution sayz.

Nah.......best to have the exact same number of Congress members, as we did when woman weren't allowed to vote.

Primary purpose of census is ADDING more members of Congress, not reducing them. Oh well......some think covid liability is fake news. Ya'll are right.........laws don't matter, only opinions.

PREP act, passed in 2020....is NOT real. Laws are fact news. Yeah......drug pushers don't have immunity :roll: (those that claim they don't, are misinformation pushers. should be banned. Are trolls. Legal immunity is a real thing. )
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I don't think being from the same state as the nominee explains it. These red state voters don't care that she is from SC.
Come on JHU.

You really expect Lindsey to nuke (for no reason since the Dems have all the votes they need) a SCOTUS nominee who is an alum of USC law school? You think that is going to happen again in the next 200 years?

Like I said, Lindsey is not dumb.
Boycott stupid. Country over party.
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ggait wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:16 pm
I don't think being from the same state as the nominee explains it. These red state voters don't care that she is from SC.
Come on JHU.

You really expect Lindsey to nuke (for no reason since the Dems have all the votes they need) a SCOTUS nominee who is an alum of USC law school? You think that is going to happen again in the next 200 years?

Like I said, Lindsey is not dumb.
... would buy the argument 20 years ago. Now, not so much. Politics has changed for the uglier. Unless Lindsay sees the sea changing, I have a hard time believing it.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:46 pm
ggait wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:39 pm
jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:19 am Graham just appeared on Face the Nation endorsing Michele Childs for SCOTUS. Seems to be going off the reservation.

This endorsement if sincere would probably result in 4+ Childs republican votes, as long as there are no surprises in her background.
Lindsey is totally on brand/on the reservation. Which is saying today whatever Lindsey thinks is good for him. And then saying something completely different tomorrow if it suits him.

Of course Graham would endorse Childs:

1. Dems have the 51 votes to confirm a manhole cover to SCOTUS. So Lindsey has no ability to impact the outcome.

2. Lindsey is from SC. Would be pretty bad local politics for Lindsey to oppose anyone from SC going onto SCOTUS. Has SC had a justice since George Washington appointed John Rutledge?

Lindsey isn't dumb; he's craven and spineless.
A friend that lives in South Carolina calls him White Jacket/Black Jacket….
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Georgetown constitutional law lecturer suspended for being a dumbass. Repeating the Trumpnista racist troupe that a black woman on the supreme court would be a lesser selection than a particular Indian lawyer. This is obviously a republican / Trupnista game plan, attempting to play one minority off against another. Have heard this troupe repeated verbatim multiple times from multiple right wing sources. Even Goebbels has repeated it in his posts passing it off as his own thinking. So cleaver they are, no one will ever figure out what they are doing. :lol: :lol:
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Walter Dellinger, in the Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/opin ... woman.html

"President Biden will soon announce a Black woman as his nominee for the Supreme Court. Conservative commentators have criticized this plan, calling it “unprecedented and unnecessary” and saying that it “elevates skin color over qualifications.” So did some senators, among them, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who called Mr. Biden’s plan “offensive” and “an insult to Black women.”

There is, however, a long and important tradition of presidents taking into consideration the demographic characteristics of prospective justices — including geographic background, religion, race and sex — to ensure that the Supreme Court is and remains a representative institution in touch with the varied facets of American life. More fundamentally, our history shows that the process of reaching out to expand the personal backgrounds of the justices has often produced stellar jurists who made historic contributions to the court and our judicial system.

Take, for example, President Ronald Reagan’s appointment of Sandra Day O’Connor. As others have recently noted, Reagan made a campaign promise similar to Mr. Biden’s over 40 years ago: to appoint the first woman to the Supreme Court. (Some suggest that Reagan’s pledge is different because he had a “list” that included men. Of course he did. The administration’s conservative activists urged on him the names of conservatives such as Robert Bork and Antonin Scalia. But Reagan was steadfast: He promised a woman and he nominated a woman.)

Some will suggest that Mr. Biden will be choosing from a smaller set of potential nominees than Reagan did when he determined to choose Justice O’Connor from half the population. That point fails to account for the scarcity of women lawyers when Reagan made his commitment. The prime age for Supreme Court nominees is between 45 and 60 years old. That meant that Reagan was choosing from among those who entered law schools between roughly 1943 and 1958. In 1958, 3.1 percent of law school students were women. (In 2020, women made up 54 percent of law students in the United States.)

Even for the relatively few women lawyers of the right age in 1981, systematic discrimination had excluded them from the usual credentials possessed by Supreme Court nominees, such as major law firm partnerships and federal appeals court judgeships. Thus, Reagan necessarily had to expand the range of backgrounds from which to find the best woman. That expanded search led him to Justice O’Connor, in all likelihood the first intermediate state court judge ever elevated to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In nominating her, he brought to the court a woman who had performed a range of legal jobs other than practicing at major firms and had juggled children and a career; she took her children in strollers to campaign door to door for Republicans. Justice O’Connor was a state senator in Arizona and served for a time as that body’s majority leader. These experiences gave her a pragmatic perspective and unique legal skills, making her an outstanding addition to the Supreme Court. The Senate voted 99 to 0 to confirm her.

The key point is not that “Reagan did it too.” It is that Reagan was right to commit to naming a woman. Paying attention to demographics can strengthen, not weaken, the judiciary. Had Reagan not pledged to name a woman, it is unlikely he would have had a search that produced Justice O’Connor — a nominee who turned out to be as influential a justice as William J. Brennan (who, by the way, was chosen by President Dwight Eisenhower in 1956 because he wanted to appoint a Northeastern Catholic.)

Reagan’s fulfilled pledge was not unusual. From the court’s earliest days, presidents considered it essential that the justices represent various regions of the country. For instance, according to the Supreme Court scholar David M. O’Brien, from Justice John Rutledge’s appointment in 1789 until Justice Hugo Black’s retirement in 1971 (with the exception of Reconstruction), presidents ensured that there was always a Southerner — which meant a Southern white male — on the bench. Most recently, in 2020, President Donald Trump publicly committed to choose a woman (which turned out to be Justice Amy Coney Barrett) to fill Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s seat.

This practice of considering prospective justices’ backgrounds and demographic characteristics — engaged in by presidents of both parties over the decades — is not some form of “quota” designed merely to appease political constituencies. Rather, it stems from bedrock principles of democratic governance. After all, the Supreme Court exercises immense power to issue decisions that affect and bind all Americans. For that power to be legitimate, and for Americans to continue placing faith in the court, its members must be representative of all of America. Mr. Biden recognized precisely this point when he explained during his campaign that the Supreme Court “should look like the country.”

Moreover, as the visiting Georgetown history professor Thomas Zimmer put it, “Biden’s public pledge represents an affirmation of multiracial pluralism. That’s why it matters. It’s an acknowledgment that the traditional dominance of white men was never the result of meritocratic structures, but of a discriminatory system that needs to be dismantled.”

Yes, Mr. Biden could have made a less categorical statement about his selection process. But that is not Joe Biden. By the time he doubled down on naming a Black woman, he knew how exemplary a group he would have to choose from. He knew he was going to do it, so he said so directly. Such candor is typical of him.

The truth is that there are extraordinarily accomplished and credentialed lawyers of all races, ethnicities, sexes and religions. Though nowhere near perfect, the American legal community has made strides to eradicate the discrimination that has long pervaded the profession, meaning that more women and people of color are graduating from top law schools, earning judicial clerkships and working in prestigious positions in government, law firms and academia and otherwise possessing the experiences that make for wise judging.

The Black women who President Biden is reportedly considering for the Supreme Court are all well respected and highly qualified potential nominees with sterling credentials. Regardless of race, they should and very likely would be found on any Democratic president’s short list. This list is but a small fraction of the extremely qualified Black women who could be appointed.

There are approximately 25,000 Black women attorneys in America. There is every reason to believe that President Biden’s nomination process will benefit by focusing on that extraordinary group for the next justice of the United States Supreme Court."
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:05 pm Georgetown constitutional law lecturer suspended for being a dumbass. Repeating the Trumpnista racist troupe that a black woman on the supreme court would be a lesser selection than a particular Indian lawyer. This is obviously a republican / Trupnista game plan, attempting to play one minority off against another. Have heard this troupe repeated verbatim multiple times from multiple right wing sources. Even Goebbels has repeated it in his posts passing it off as his own thinking. So cleaver they are, no one will ever figure out what they are doing. :lol: :lol:



Though he can’t reply now, and disregarding yet another gratuitous personal insult embedded in his post above, jhu72 raises a rather important issue in America today: cancel culture.

Bari Weiss is fast becoming one of America’s best journalists. In this post, she details the differences in reaction from Georgetown Law to Christine Fair, a leftist, when she said sitting US a senators should be murdered, versus Ilya Shapiro, a Russian emigre to the US who inartfully suggested that limiting this SCOTUS pick to one segment of identity might cause that person to be doubted in the future.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/on-dec ... andards-at

Shapiro has admitted that his tweets were “poorly drafted,” and they were. But it was obvious to anyone reading him in good faith that what he intended to say was that Biden should pick the most qualified person for the job. This is to say nothing of the fact that the judge Shapiro said was “objectively the best pick” would make another kind of history: Sri Srinivasan would be the first Indian-American on the Court.

But the tragic reality here—what the cases Fair and Shapiro show—is that there is no reward for being decent or admitting regret or apologizing. In our increasingly graceless culture, decency can be a one-way ticket to exile.



Personally, I don’t have a problem if any POTUS determines that he or she wishes to nominate someone from a particular identity class. I can actually see the utility of it and I think it’s respectable. What I think POTUS’s ought to do, however, is not pre-announce that he or she will ONLY take a person from a certain identity class, but in the end choose a person from that identity class. This solves many issues simultaneously.
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"President Biden will soon announce a Black woman as his nominee for the Supreme Court. Conservative commentators have criticized this plan, calling it “unprecedented and unnecessary” and saying that it “elevates skin color over qualifications.” So did some senators, among them, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who called Mr. Biden’s plan “offensive” and “an insult to Black women.”
Al Franken was soooo right about Ted Cruz:

"Why do people take such an instant disliking to Ted Cruz? Answer: "it saves time".

“You have to understand that I like Ted Cruz probably more than my colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.”

Cruz is such a loser troll.

Senator Rafael from Canada knows that there are 800 federal judgeships. Harvard Law pumps out 500+ grads per year. Three dozen kids clerk at SCOTUS every year. There's TONS of people who around who are over-qualified to be on SCOTUS. Heck even Ted is qualified. The idea that there is only one or a few people qualfied is mallarkey. And many who have been nominated have had rather thin resumes for that job -- cough Thomas O'Connor Barrett cough cough.

Totally standard to pick, from among the large ranks of qualified, someone who checks some boxes.

Which means that Ted is a shoo-in if any future POTUS decides the Court really needs a complete tool from Canada.
Boycott stupid. Country over party.
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SCOTUS Just Blew Up the Voting Rights Act’s Ban on Racial Gerrymandering

Brett Keganaugh, just up there calling balls 'n strikes... :roll:

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dislaxxic wrote: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:52 am SCOTUS Just Blew Up the Voting Rights Act’s Ban on Racial Gerrymandering

Brett Keganaugh, just up there calling balls 'n strikes... :roll:

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Putting a halt to a determination of a three judge panel (consisting of a Clinton appointee and two Trump appointees), whose decision Roberts suggests is unassailable. The Court's credibility as an institution is pretty much gone. Really sad.

Nice article on this:

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=127501

"Chief Justice Roberts dissented from the stay order but not the order setting these cases for argument. He reasoned that a stay was not warranted because the lower court fully followed existing law on how to apply the VRA to redistricting. But he said the law is a mess and the case should be set to reconsider the law. Put Roberts together with the 5 other conservative Justices in the majority that voted to both grant the stay and to hear the cases and there could be six votes that would read the VRA in redistricting in a horrible “race blind” way that Nick explained here and that Justice Kagan discussed today in her dissent. This could be a radical reworking of the VRA that would decrease minority representation, especially in the south."

But Republicans just want a Big Tent, right?
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