All Things Russia & Ukraine

[MDlaxfan76]

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is the exigent threat, not Ukraine. No one here plays chess, do they?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/us/p ... aiwan.html

"The war game scenario conducted by a Washington think tank began with a sudden failure at three Taiwanese semiconductor foundries that make high-end computer chips used in such items as smartphones, automobiles and military equipment.

The halt in production raised questions of whether a cyberattack by Beijing was responsible — touching off an international crisis between China and the United States that the researchers said could grind the global economy to a halt and incite a military confrontation."

The US economy can't function without these chips. Period. Going to take along time to get the domestic production up to speed, for reasons I have elaborated on in previous posts, if ever. Mainly the unavailability of the Dutch lithography machines ("most complicated machine humans have ever built").

Who cares about Ukraine?

Pay attention to the real problem.

I agree re relative importance. Not a close call.

But if we're thinking about "chess" insofar that moves on the board impact future choices made by another adversary, do our actions or lack thereof re Ukraine, countering/punishing Putin, impact the choices Xi may make?

[old salt]

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is the exigent threat, not Ukraine. No one here plays chess, do they?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/us/p ... aiwan.html

"The war game scenario conducted by a Washington think tank began with a sudden failure at three Taiwanese semiconductor foundries that make high-end computer chips used in such items as smartphones, automobiles and military equipment.

The halt in production raised questions of whether a cyberattack by Beijing was responsible — touching off an international crisis between China and the United States that the researchers said could grind the global economy to a halt and incite a military confrontation."

The US economy can't function without these chips. Period. Going to take along time to get the domestic production up to speed, for reasons I have elaborated on in previous posts, if ever. Mainly the unavailability of the Dutch lithography machines ("most complicated machine humans have ever built").

Who cares about Ukraine?

Pay attention to the real problem.

The obvious solution -- invite Taiwan to become our 51st state.

This is diverting our attention from Taiwan only in the media. We still have 4 strike groups operating in W Pac. Just completing a huge naval exercise there. Just lost one of our new carrier based F-35's in the S China Sea.

If this forces NATO's EU laggards to wake up, do more, negotiate a DMZ with Russia on NATO's E front, we can bring home more US forces to redeploy to W Pac.

Ukraine has had no impact on our Taiwan strategy & is not likely to.

[youthathletics]

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is the exigent threat, not Ukraine. No one here plays chess, do they?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/us/p ... aiwan.html

"The war game scenario conducted by a Washington think tank began with a sudden failure at three Taiwanese semiconductor foundries that make high-end computer chips used in such items as smartphones, automobiles and military equipment.

The halt in production raised questions of whether a cyberattack by Beijing was responsible — touching off an international crisis between China and the United States that the researchers said could grind the global economy to a halt and incite a military confrontation."

The US economy can't function without these chips. Period. Going to take along time to get the domestic production up to speed, for reasons I have elaborated on in previous posts, if ever. Mainly the unavailability of the Dutch lithography machines ("most complicated machine humans have ever built").

Who cares about Ukraine?

Pay attention to the real problem.

Now maybe more will pay attention to what was started in early 2020, but guess who?

Biden really called this one: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... s-n1001236

Yea.....the wet market 'really' was the start of cv-19..
Yea.....lockdowns 'really' impacted the entire semi-conductor market, crippling all but who?
Yea.....Taiwan all of a sudden became this small place that China wanted to pick a fight with, engaging who?
Yea..... China was paid to perform GoF research by who?
They have us by the ballz, currently.

Former Pentagon chief software officer Nicolas Chaillan - We are not in a competition with China, we are in a war...starts at the .30 second mark.

I will add, once again. Kamala spoke about this very thing in Spring 2021 at USNA Commissioning speech.

[old salt]

You're still missing the big picture, OS. If Putin want's this headache? Go right ahead.

How'd Afghanistan work out for both the US and the Soviets, OS?

Ukraine does NOTHING to move the ball forward for Putin.

Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said in a recent interview that despite the roughly 127,000 Russian forces encircling the nation, Moscow would need a million troops to occupy and hold a country as big as Ukraine.

Hodges said he was skeptical of the Russian military’s ability to sustain operations in a full-blown war against Ukraine, with the demands of fuel and ammunition, and a possible insurgent pushback by large numbers of Ukrainians.

Best of luck, Putin. You have my blessing if you're this stupid.

And Ukraine's already ruined economy? What the F does Putin think will happen if he starts throwing bombs around?

....so what are you arguing about ? Putin is going to win. It's just a matter of how much of Ukraine he seizes &/or how much he can extract in concessions from NATO/EU/US.

I'd happily trade corrupt, faux democratic Ukraine for a viable Finland-ized neutral DMZ buffer between EU/NATO & Russia restored to it's historic borders, IF it allows us to draw down our NATO commitment, maintain our critical NATO bases & convinces our NATO allies to join us in containing China.

[Kismet]

You're still missing the big picture, OS. If Putin want's this headache? Go right ahead.

How'd Afghanistan work out for both the US and the Soviets, OS?

Ukraine does NOTHING to move the ball forward for Putin.

Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said in a recent interview that despite the roughly 127,000 Russian forces encircling the nation, Moscow would need a million troops to occupy and hold a country as big as Ukraine.

Hodges said he was skeptical of the Russian military’s ability to sustain operations in a full-blown war against Ukraine, with the demands of fuel and ammunition, and a possible insurgent pushback by large numbers of Ukrainians.

Best of luck, Putin. You have my blessing if you're this stupid.

And Ukraine's already ruined economy? What the F does Putin think will happen if he starts throwing bombs around?

....so what are you arguing about ? Putin is going to win. It's just a matter of how much of Ukraine he seizes &/or how much he can extract in concessions from NATO/EU/US.

I'd happily trade corrupt, faux democratic Ukraine for a viable Finland-ized neutral DMZ buffer between EU/NATO & Russia restored to it's historic borders, IF it allows us to draw down our NATO commitment, maintain our critical NATO bases & convinces our NATO allies to join us in containing China.

Pretty rich.
Finland wants to join NATO now (along with Sweden) so they're not up for being a DMZ.
Pretty amazing that you seem to hate the Europeans more than the Russians. You sound like Tuckeryo Rose over at Faux News.

In addition, why should Putin stop at Ukraine in terms of a land grab in Eastern Europe?

Sure, draw down the NATO commitment and see what happens. Putin is already in bed with China - he's not about to join the West in an alliance against the Chinese at this point.

[PizzaSnake]

You're still missing the big picture, OS. If Putin want's this headache? Go right ahead.

How'd Afghanistan work out for both the US and the Soviets, OS?

Ukraine does NOTHING to move the ball forward for Putin.

Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said in a recent interview that despite the roughly 127,000 Russian forces encircling the nation, Moscow would need a million troops to occupy and hold a country as big as Ukraine.

Hodges said he was skeptical of the Russian military’s ability to sustain operations in a full-blown war against Ukraine, with the demands of fuel and ammunition, and a possible insurgent pushback by large numbers of Ukrainians.

Best of luck, Putin. You have my blessing if you're this stupid.

And Ukraine's already ruined economy? What the F does Putin think will happen if he starts throwing bombs around?

....so what are you arguing about ? Putin is going to win. It's just a matter of how much of Ukraine he seizes &/or how much he can extract in concessions from NATO/EU/US.

I'd happily trade corrupt, faux democratic Ukraine for a viable Finland-ized neutral DMZ buffer between EU/NATO & Russia restored to it's historic borders, IF it allows us to draw down our NATO commitment, maintain our critical NATO bases & convinces our NATO allies to join us in containing China.

Pretty rich.
Finland wants to join NATO now (along with Sweden) so they're not up for being a DMZ.
Pretty amazing that you seem to hate the Europeans more than the Russians. You sound like Tuckeryo Rose over at Faux News.

In addition, why should Putin stop at Ukraine in terms of a land grab in Eastern Europe?

Sure, draw down the NATO commitment and see what happens. Putin is already in bed with China - he's not about to join the West in an alliance against the Chinese at this point.

“ Putin is already in bed with China - he's not about to join the West in an alliance against the Chinese”

Pootie is scared to death at what the Chinese will do as climate change begins to bite. Hint, they won’t move towards SE Asia with its imperiled fresh water as the 3rd Pole reserves start to recede. Not to mention there are fewer people to “process” in Siberia.

[old salt]

Germany is not a self-confident player.

[old salt]

You're still missing the big picture, OS. If Putin want's this headache? Go right ahead.

How'd Afghanistan work out for both the US and the Soviets, OS?

Ukraine does NOTHING to move the ball forward for Putin.

Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said in a recent interview that despite the roughly 127,000 Russian forces encircling the nation, Moscow would need a million troops to occupy and hold a country as big as Ukraine.

Hodges said he was skeptical of the Russian military’s ability to sustain operations in a full-blown war against Ukraine, with the demands of fuel and ammunition, and a possible insurgent pushback by large numbers of Ukrainians.

Best of luck, Putin. You have my blessing if you're this stupid.

And Ukraine's already ruined economy? What the F does Putin think will happen if he starts throwing bombs around?

....so what are you arguing about ? Putin is going to win. It's just a matter of how much of Ukraine he seizes &/or how much he can extract in concessions from NATO/EU/US.

I'd happily trade corrupt, faux democratic Ukraine for a viable Finland-ized neutral DMZ buffer between EU/NATO & Russia restored to it's historic borders, IF it allows us to draw down our NATO commitment, maintain our critical NATO bases & convinces our NATO allies to join us in containing China.

Pretty rich.
Finland wants to join NATO now (along with Sweden) so they're not up for being a DMZ.
Pretty amazing that you seem to hate the Europeans more than the Russians. You sound like Tuckeryo Rose over at Faux News.

In addition, why should Putin stop at Ukraine in terms of a land grab in Eastern Europe?

Sure, draw down the NATO commitment and see what happens. Putin is already in bed with China - he's not about to join the West in an alliance against the Chinese at this point.

Tuckeryo (sic) Rose ? OK Olbermann wannabe...

Are you predicting that Finland & Sweden will ask to join NATO or that NATO will now accept 2 more members next door to Russia, in the contested Baltic region ?

Are you in favor of the US fighting to defend Ukraine, or sending more US forces to NATO's E front to deter Russia when our NATO allies won't join us, or even let us transit their airspace ?

Ukraine is not a NATO member or a formal US ally. We're already doing more for them than the rest of NATO combined.

Our EU allies are trying to find a way to resolve this diplomatically. Good for them. It's their neighborhood, they have the leverage.

We just put 8500 troops in the US on alert & flew 6 of our most potent strike fighters from NC to Estonia. They're not there to do air policing.

If we get sucked into a war with Russia, can we still rely on Germany to allow us to operate from our bases there, use their ports & RR's, or transit their territory or airspace ? They won't even allow Estonia to give Ukraine old Soviet designed E German assembled artillery, which the greedy Germans sold rather than gave to their new NATO ally.

I support the EUropeans who are willing to help defend themselves against Russia, like the ones I served with. Finland & Sweden have done a good job of that. They are already a valuable neutral armed buffer, using our weapons or compatible ones of their own design. They already operate effectively alongside us, without NATO membership. Thanks to their own resolve & resources, they have not needed NATO to protect them & have not been obligated to defend their free-riding neighbors. They've successfully defended themselves since WW II. If Germany & the other former Warsaw Pact NATO members (except Poland recently) invested in their own defense & diplomacy as effectively as Finland & Sweden have, NATO would still be as strong & effective as the NATO which won the Cold War.

Where did I say anything about Putin joining the West in an alliance against China ?
I've been getting & posting my news from DW, BBC & France24, then you call me Tucker 1 hr after Nicole Wallace did an unhinged hit piece on Carlson. Nice job with your talking points.

Russians are Europeans. We are not. I don't hate either, unless they drag us into another of their stupid wars.

[old salt]

Into the valley of uncertainty, rode the 8500.

This lengthy WP piece details the 8500 US troops that have been placed on high alert to deploy with the NATO Response Force (NRF)

{lengthy quote due to WP paywall, plz do not re-quote in entirety}
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... ld-deploy/

The Pentagon is defending its preparations in response to the threat of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, with a top spokesman on Thursday highlighting that the United States has provided millions of dollars in weapons to Kyiv and providing new details about U.S. military forces that could deploy to Eastern Europe to bolster security there.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said the United States has been monitoring Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military buildup along the Ukrainian border for months. More than 100,000 Russian troops are amassed, including some in neighboring Belarus.
“I take issue with the idea that this is sort of 11th-hour, Hail Mary-pass-throwing stuff,” Kirby said. “We’ve been talking about this now for a couple of months, what we’ve been seeing on the ground.”

The comments came as the U.S. military prepared to potentially send thousands of troops from the United States to Europe. Kirby identified for the first time that elements of the 82nd Airborne Division and XVIII Airborne Corps from Fort Bragg, N.C., the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Ky., and the 4th Infantry Division from Fort Carson, Colo., were among an initial force of 8,500 troops that were put on high alert this week and could be among the first to go.

Other units also have been put on a heightened alert status, Kirby said. He declined to name them but said they are located at bases that include Fort Hood, Tex.; Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state; Fort Polk, La.; and Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona. Troops from those units could provide medical, aviation and logistics support in addition to combat power, he said.

Underscoring the situation’s sensitivities, Kirby declined to say which units from those bases could deploy. But they could significantly enhance NATO’s capabilities. Davis-Monthan, for instance, is home to five Air Force squadrons of A-10 tank-killing attack jets. A defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity, said that the Pentagon has become increasingly careful about the information it releases concerning U.S. forces in Europe, as the administration seeks to emphasize that diplomacy is still an option in the crisis.

The Pentagon’s deliberations over how to respond to the crisis come as it balances how to show resolve, work with European allies, avoid a potential quagmire and keep focus on security concerns posed elsewhere by China, according to current and former U.S. officials. President Biden has ruled out any U.S. troops fighting in Ukraine, but an array of other options are on the table.

Robert Brown, a retired Army general with experience in Europe, said he has not heard “anybody in their right mind who thinks we would go [into] Ukraine.” But there is a desire, he said, to look for ways to strengthen the military alliance in Europe in light of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent decisions and unpredictability.
“Folks were nervous before this about Russia’s aggressive actions,” Brown said. “Now once they cross that border into Ukraine, who’s to say they won’t keep going? I wouldn’t put it past Putin in a heartbeat.”

Russia’s current buildup follows its 2014 seizure of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed through force and continues to control, and a 2008 invasion of the Republic of Georgia. Biden has promised allies that the United States considers its obligations to fellow NATO countries “sacred.” Under the terms of their treaty, which was signed by original members in the wake of World War II, an attack on one member must be consider an attack on all of them.

But that doesn’t mean that United States needs to shoulder most of the load, Republicans and Democrats agree.
“It’s on us to go to the allies and say: You’re going to have step up and do more this time, no kidding,” said Jim Townsend, a senior Pentagon official during the Obama administration.

NATO has a response force that includes up to 40,000 troops from member nations, including the United States. If all NATO members agree to deploy the force, Townsend said, it would be a “big deal” for the alliance, which could shore up defenses in the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Once a part of the Soviet Union, they joined NATO in 2004.
“It would be a real signal that the allies themselves have cranked up the pressure on the military side,” Townsend said.

Launching such a NATO deployment, however, would require consent from all members, and there is reason to believe securing that could be difficult. Germany, a longtime U.S. ally that obtains natural gas from Russia, is seen as a potential holdout after Berlin declined to send lethal arms to help the Ukrainian military. If Germany does not consent, the United States could deploy troops independently to countries on Europe’s eastern flank that ask for additional security, Townsend said.

Kirby, speaking at the Pentagon, said the United States also could reposition some of the more than 60,000 U.S. troops permanently stationed in Europe. About 200 Florida National Guard members also are deployed in Ukraine to advise its military, but they are west of Kyiv, far from the border with Russia. Kirby said the Pentagon believes they could be withdrawn quickly if required.

At sea, the U.S. Navy has several previously scheduled deployments that could be a factor in the Ukraine crisis, a defense official said. They include surveillance flights from an airfield in Sigonella, Italy, by P-8 jets designed to hunt for submarines below the ocean’s surface.
The Navy also has joined this month with allies in a sprawling, previously scheduled NATO exercise in the Mediterranean Sea that includes the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman and its accompanying escort ships, collectively carrying nearly 6,000 U.S. troops and dozens of strike aircraft.

The Navy has other vessels in the Mediterranean and Adriatic seas, as well, said Cmdr. Richlyn Ivey, a military spokeswoman. U.S. warships also regularly sail into the Black Sea, which abuts Russia and Ukraine, but no vessels are there at the moment. In December, U.S. European Command said that the destroyer USS Arleigh Burke had departed the Black Sea and was making a port stop in Turkey.

The Marines, though not among the units Kirby identified Thursday, could get involved if requested, a senior Marine Corps official said. The service has Marines preparing for several deployments to the region this year, including a force of hundreds due to arrive in Norway for exercises in March, the official said.
“We would respond to tasking if told to do so,” the official said. “We could definitely do more, but we have to be asked.”

As preparations continue, some have questioned whether the Biden administration is disregarding security concerns posed by China, which the administration has described as its “pacing challenge.”
Elbridge Colby, a senior defense official during the Trump administration, said that he believes the Biden administration should clearly state that it supports NATO and will continue to be a part of it, but warn its allies that the United States must “truly prioritize” getting ready for China.
“People say, ‘Well, of course they need to focus on Europe now,’" Colby said. “Well, no, they don’t. Yes, there are going to be crises. But the fact that there are crises doesn’t change in the slightest the underlying facts, which is that Asia is the most important region, and China our top threat.”
Kirby said that the United States will continue to “walk and chew gum at the same time.”
“There’s a lot on our plate, and we’re focused on all of it,” he said. “Just because right now, one issue obviously is certainly capturing the attention of the world community doesn’t mean that we’re not equally pursuing and focused on other threats and challenges.”

In the WP opinion piece below, CNN's Josh Rogin makes it a negative that Biden has given NATO a veto over this new US deployment.
IMO, this process is a good thing -- the way it's supposed to work.
It's a NATO deployment, under a unified NATO command, into NATO member countries, which can be done rapidly.
It's not a bi-lateral deployment by the US into individual countries.
FTR -- If it is not obvious, I am defending Biden, NATO, & our EU allies, while differing with Rogin.
This is why NATO exists & how it must function. If Rogin proves right & the NRF proves too cumbersome to deploy because consensus cannot be achieved, that flaw can be confirmed & addressed before the next time a NATO member faces a real threat.

{another lengthy quote due to the WP firewall. plz do not re-quote in entirety}
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ts-europe/

Opinion: Biden has given NATO a veto over new U.S. troop deployments to Europe

By Josh Rogin, Columnist

The 8,500 U.S. troops President Biden has ordered to prepare to go to Eastern Europe if Russia invades Ukraine can only be deployed by a consensus vote of all 30 NATO member countries. That could result in a bureaucratic disaster in the middle of the crisis and effectively give a veto over the deployments to countries such as Germany, Hungary or Turkey — a situation Russian President Vladimir Putin is sure to exploit.

Biden said Tuesday, when he announced the move, that he had told Putin that if Russia “continued to build up and/or was to move, we would be reinforcing those troops.” The president said he had also spoken with all 30 NATO allies and all agreed on those terms. But Pentagon officials have held back from commenting on exactly what would trigger the deployment and whether all 30 NATO member countries are really on the same page.

The Pentagon has said that these 8,500 U.S. troops would be placed on “heightened alert” for a possible deployment under the NATO Response Force (NRF). What that means in practice, several officials have confirmed to me, is that the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, Lt. General Tod D. Wolters, would have to request their deployment from NATO itself before they could carry it out. The 30-member North Atlantic Council (NAC) would then have to unanimously vote to approve it.

There’s growing concern, especially on Capitol Hill, that this could be a huge problem for two reasons. First of all, considering how far apart NATO countries are on how to respond to Russian aggression now, there’s no reason to be sure that after Putin attacks, they would be united on a massive deployment of the NRF, which in total could send 40,000 NATO troops to places such as Poland, Romania and the Baltic countries. Negotiations over the size and the scope of the mission could drag on.

NATO members who border Ukraine or Russia could easily find themselves in the position of having to beg for approval for security reinforcements from countries that are more Russia-friendly, such as France, Germany, Hungary or Turkey, all of whom have been reluctant to do anything they think might provoke or escalate tensions with Putin. This would give Putin a clear opening to manipulate those fissures in the alliance, as he loves to do.

“It’s a slow bureaucratic process that outsources security interests to leaders in Germany, Hungary and Turkey, who would each have a veto,” said one senior GOP congressional official. “Putin understands the bureaucratic nature of how NATO works and I’m sure will be deftly skilled at exploiting that bureaucracy and the divisions inside NATO.”

What’s more, because the leadership of the NRF rotates annually among the member nations, the U.S. forces would likely be deployed as part of a command led by France, which is led by a president who is actively trying to set up a European defense force to supplant NATO.

U.S. defense officials I spoke with defended the arrangement. They argued that NATO is the natural place to coordinate a military response because NATO has been key in allied efforts to manage the Russia-Ukraine crisis so far. U.S. defense officials also express optimism that the ongoing diplomatic prep work will allow NATO to act quickly if the need for the deployment arises.

“There’s a lot of faith that at the end of the day, that if the Supreme Allied Commander decides to call up the NATO Response Force, many nations of the North Atlantic Council will already be on board,” one U.S. defense official told me. “If the call comes, I’m pretty confident that they would be able to make a decision very quickly.”

The officials pointed back to the last time the NRF was activated. In August, NRF troops helped to evacuate Afghans who had worked with NATO from Afghanistan as the Taliban took over. At that time, the NRF lead country was Turkey, but the Turkish government declined to participate. Still, Turkey did not stand in the way of the mission and the NAC acted relatively quickly.

U.S. defense officials also point out, rightly, that Biden has other options for deploying troops in Europe, or moving other U.S. forces within Europe, if the NATO scheme doesn’t work when the time comes. But countries directly in the line of Putin’s fire want Biden to deploy U.S. forces to help them now. They don’t want to bet their security on the future good graces of leaders in Berlin, Paris or Budapest.

“Given the force imbalance in the region, effective deterrence and defense can be achieved only by capable, in place forces … including persistent, ‘heel-to-toe’ presence of the U.S. forces as a necessary and indispensable element,” wrote the heads of the Lithuanian defense and foreign affairs committees, in a letter they sent last week to all the leaders of the U.S. Congress’s defense and foreign affairs committees.

As Putin points 100,000 guns at Ukraine’s head, Germany is offering Kyiv no weapons, only helmets. But the theory that avoiding any provocation of Putin makes Europe safer is not bearing out. If and when Putin does attack, the fallout will not be contained to Ukraine. Putting U.S. reaction forces under NATO command might work out — let’s hope it does. But Biden might want to start preparing a Plan B now, just in case.

[old salt]

Based on Zelensky's actions & statements, it makes one wonder if he expects a coup attempt rather than an invasion or incursion.

[PizzaSnake]

I’m getting a bad feeling about all of the NATO materiel flowing to Ukraine. Be unfortunate if it ended up in Pootie’s sweaty hands.

[PizzaSnake]

“ US intelligence believes the invasion will likely come in February, when colder temperature will have frozen the ground solid - allowing Putin's tanks and artillery to roll in without getting bogged down in mud.”

If I were Russian, I’d stay off the Kerch bridge in February.

[old salt]

I’m getting a bad feeling about all of the NATO materiel flowing to Ukraine. Be unfortunate if it ended up in Pootie’s sweaty hands.

Yep

[old salt]

“ US intelligence believes the invasion will likely come in February, when colder temperature will have frozen the ground solid - allowing Putin's tanks and artillery to roll in without getting bogged down in mud.”

If I were Russian, I’d stay off the Kerch bridge in February.

Olympic Ice Hockey Gold Medal game = Feb 20.

Hope Russia wins & Putin does not want to tarnish the Gold Medal.

[youthathletics]

Makes me wonder, and frankly it should throw up a yellow flag.....that there is a connection with Biden family in Ukraine to include Hunter Biden. What was he 'really' doing in China and Ukraine? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[seacoaster]

Makes me wonder, and frankly it should throw up a yellow flag.....that there is a connection with Biden family in Ukraine to include Hunter Biden. What was he 'really' doing in China and Ukraine? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Things that make you say "FFS, what is wrong with you?"

[jhu72]

Makes me wonder, and frankly it should throw up a yellow flag.....that there is a connection with Biden family in Ukraine to include Hunter Biden. What was he 'really' doing in China and Ukraine? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

Things that make you go hmmmm.

... ask Rudy

[youthathletics]

Makes me wonder, and frankly it should throw up a yellow flag.....that there is a connection with Biden family in Ukraine to include Hunter Biden. What was he 'really' doing in China and Ukraine? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Things that make you say "FFS, what is wrong with you?"

I like to plays things out in my head, and frankly I am not much of a believer in coincidences. I never applied or assumed guilt.

I just find it odd, that a crack head just so happens to have been parading around, making tons of cash, in the very countries that are now smack square in our face, and his father is now POTUS. Kinda like the little tell tale signs of all things russia and trump, that were placed in front us.

[seacoaster]

Makes me wonder, and frankly it should throw up a yellow flag.....that there is a connection with Biden family in Ukraine to include Hunter Biden. What was he 'really' doing in China and Ukraine? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Things that make you say "FFS, what is wrong with you?"

I like to plays things out in my head, and frankly I am not much of a believer in coincidences. I never applied or assumed guilt.

I just find it odd, that a crack head just so happens to have been parading around, making tons of cash, in the very countries that are now smack square in our face, and his father is now POTUS. Kinda like the little tell tale signs of all things russia and trump, that were placed in front us.

Edibles?

[Farfromgeneva]

They make edible crack?