January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[NattyBohChamps04]

The Republican Party just unveiled its new slogan:

"We refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate us."

"If you're innocent, why are you taking the 5th amendment?" among others...

[Kismet]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

In addition, former top Mark Meadows aide Ben Williamson testified to 1/6 Committee today for **6-7 hours**.

Rut Roh

[CU88]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

I am sure that the voting fraud r's will be leading the charge to LOCK THEM UP!

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

[jhu72]

Oath Keeper Stewart Rhodes order detained until his trial.

[dislaxxic]

MAGATS launch effort NOW to audit the Michigan presidential vote count...

[get it to x]

Why do r's want to lock up people who follow the law?

Newt Gingrich said this morning that people serving on the J6 Committee are going to go to jail if Republicans take over Congress after the next election.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 5177589770

MAGA

Nuck Fewt.

Fascism 101. Jail the opposition

Total lack of self awareness on display.

[MDlaxfan76]

Why do r's want to lock up people who follow the law?

Newt Gingrich said this morning that people serving on the J6 Committee are going to go to jail if Republicans take over Congress after the next election.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 5177589770

MAGA

Nuck Fewt.

Fascism 101. Jail the opposition

Total lack of self awareness on display.

I'd love to understand what crimes you think the Jan 6 committee have committed.

Pretty sure that no one has been indicted for crimes related to the insurrection that are not actually, indeed, crimes. And I don't hear anyone, certainly not anyone prominent or anyone on this thread for that matter, calling for those not yet indicted to be prosecuted for anything other than actual crimes.

Being a politician or activist or simply an avid supporter of one side or the other does not make one immune from committing and being prosecuted for actual crimes. You don't get a pass just because you're a Trump or a Biden supporter, R of D, or whatever.

On the other hand, we should never call for the prosecution of anyone for anything other than an actual crime...however that is what has been promised by some GOP activists and sitting officials...that's fascism, authoritarianism. Just as is the pardoning or non-prosecution of those guilty of crimes simply because they are political supporters, need to have their loyalty rewarded in order to protect political interests. That too is typical of fascism, authoritarianism.

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

No chance. Distracted by what is happening in the real world. Troll (by name) someone else.

[CU88]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

No chance. Distracted by what is happening in the real world. Troll (by name) someone else.

Interesting that OS doesn't care about Vote Fraud when r's are caught...

Not surprising I guess, they are all white guys doing it so it must be OK?

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

No chance. Distracted by what is happening in the real world. Troll (by name) someone else.

Interesting that OS doesn't care about Vote Fraud when r's are caught...

Not surprising I guess, they are all white guys doing it so it must be OK?

Election law & the Electoral College are incredibly complicated subjects.
I do not yet know enough (or care enough) to intelligently opine or comment ...but don't let that stop you.
The degree of my knowledge, concern & alarm on this subject will rise or subside as the legal process plays out.
Right now, so far, to me, this is just more political white noise.
Let us know if & when someone is convicted.

[CU88]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

No chance. Distracted by what is happening in the real world. Troll (by name) someone else.

Interesting that OS doesn't care about Vote Fraud when r's are caught...

Not surprising I guess, they are all white guys doing it so it must be OK?

Election law & the Electoral College are incredibly complicated subjects.
I do not yet know enough (or care enough) to intelligently opine or comment ...but don't let that stop you.
The degree of my knowledge, concern & alarm on this subject will rise or subside as the legal process plays out.
Right now, so far, to me, this is just more political white noise.
Let us know if & when someone is convicted.

You might want to report the guy who has been posting under your account over on the Voting Rights topic!

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

No chance. Distracted by what is happening in the real world. Troll (by name) someone else.

Interesting that OS doesn't care about Vote Fraud when r's are caught...

Not surprising I guess, they are all white guys doing it so it must be OK?

Election law & the Electoral College are incredibly complicated subjects.
I do not yet know enough (or care enough) to intelligently opine or comment ...but don't let that stop you.
The degree of my knowledge, concern & alarm on this subject will rise or subside as the legal process plays out.
Right now, so far, to me, this is just more political white noise.
Let us know if & when someone is convicted.

You might want to report the guy who has been posting under your account over on the Voting Rights topic!

This is not Voting Rights. It's either fraud or it is not. Who can appoint electors & how.
It has nothing to with who can vote & how. Tweaking the ECA could remove this as a potential future possibility.

[kramerica.inc]

Former President Donald Trump questions the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. For half the country, this makes him a “sore loser” who promotes “conspiracy theories” and pushes “The Big Lie.” But when President Joe Biden in his recent press conference preemptively questions the legitimacy of the 2022 midterm elections, nine months before they even occur, suddenly the analysis changes:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... on-results

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/politics ... index.html

"Federal prosecutors are reviewing fake Electoral College certifications that declared former President Donald Trump the winner of states that he lost, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco told CNN on Tuesday.

"We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco said in an exclusive interview."

Rut Roh

OS sure to be posting daily updates here...

No chance. Distracted by what is happening in the real world. Troll (by name) someone else.

Interesting that OS doesn't care about Vote Fraud when r's are caught...

Not surprising I guess, they are all white guys doing it so it must be OK?

Election law & the Electoral College are incredibly complicated subjects.
I do not yet know enough (or care enough) to intelligently opine or comment ...but don't let that stop you.
The degree of my knowledge, concern & alarm on this subject will rise or subside as the legal process plays out.
Right now, so far, to me, this is just more political white noise.
Let us know if & when someone is convicted.

You might want to report the guy who has been posting under your account over on the Voting Rights topic!

This is not Voting Rights. It's either fraud or it is not. Who can appoint electors & how.
It has nothing to with who can vote & how. Tweaking the ECA could remove this as a potential future possibility.

I thought you didn't know enough, or care enough, to opine?

[MDlaxfan76]

Former President Donald Trump questions the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. For half the country, this makes him a “sore loser” who promotes “conspiracy theories” and pushes “The Big Lie.” But when President Joe Biden in his recent press conference preemptively questions the legitimacy of the 2022 midterm elections, nine months before they even occur, suddenly the analysis changes:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... on-results

Interesting article, but do you not agree that making up entirely false claims of fraudulent votes eg. dead people, Chavez controlled election machines, and organizing an effort to ignore the actual vote count, and encouraging a riot when that doesn't work and the VP won't go along with breaking the law...that's quite a bit more than a "sore loser"...and quite a bit different from warning about rules that make it harder to cast a ballot (suppression) and rules that allow the rule makers (GOP) to ignore the actual vote count and simply declare a winner (subversion)...? Not really the same, right?

[youthathletics]

Former President Donald Trump questions the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. For half the country, this makes him a “sore loser” who promotes “conspiracy theories” and pushes “The Big Lie.” But when President Joe Biden in his recent press conference preemptively questions the legitimacy of the 2022 midterm elections, nine months before they even occur, suddenly the analysis changes:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... on-results

Interesting article, but do you not agree that making up entirely false claims of fraudulent votes eg. dead people, Chavez controlled election machines, and organizing an effort to ignore the actual vote count, and encouraging a riot when that doesn't work and the VP won't go along with breaking the law...that's quite a bit more than a "sore loser"...and quite a bit different from warning about rules that make it harder to cast a ballot (suppression) and rules that allow the rule makers (GOP) to ignore the actual vote count and simply declare a winner (subversion)...? Not really the same, right?

Serious question, why is it disingenuous for the last administration to ask a few states to double check their counts before conceding? Ignore that it was Trump b/c that taints your view. And suppose they found errors that flipped a state(s)....how would you then argue your point?

[cradleandshoot]

Former President Donald Trump questions the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. For half the country, this makes him a “sore loser” who promotes “conspiracy theories” and pushes “The Big Lie.” But when President Joe Biden in his recent press conference preemptively questions the legitimacy of the 2022 midterm elections, nine months before they even occur, suddenly the analysis changes:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... on-results

Interesting article, but do you not agree that making up entirely false claims of fraudulent votes eg. dead people, Chavez controlled election machines, and organizing an effort to ignore the actual vote count, and encouraging a riot when that doesn't work and the VP won't go along with breaking the law...that's quite a bit more than a "sore loser"...and quite a bit different from warning about rules that make it harder to cast a ballot (suppression) and rules that allow the rule makers (GOP) to ignore the actual vote count and simply declare a winner (subversion)...? Not really the same, right?

Your the "lifelong" republican YOUR party in your opinion created this problem. BTW, can you name one single person in this country who was denied the right to vote regardless of the voting regulations in any state? Your living in the land of HYPOTHETICAL FLP gibberish. If I parse your nuanced verbiage what you are implying is too many black folks are too stupid to understand what the rules are. That is in reality what you are saying. Yeah what the average Black American needs is a bunch of pasty faced white liberals telling them they got their back. I'm sure that is the simple fact that all you pasty faced lily white old liberal white guys are counting on. I have more confidence in black America than you do MD. When you can tell me the name of any American who was legally eligible to vote but was refused the opportunity for whatever reason.. let me know who that person was.

[RedFromMI]

Former President Donald Trump questions the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. For half the country, this makes him a “sore loser” who promotes “conspiracy theories” and pushes “The Big Lie.” But when President Joe Biden in his recent press conference preemptively questions the legitimacy of the 2022 midterm elections, nine months before they even occur, suddenly the analysis changes:

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... on-results

Interesting article, but do you not agree that making up entirely false claims of fraudulent votes eg. dead people, Chavez controlled election machines, and organizing an effort to ignore the actual vote count, and encouraging a riot when that doesn't work and the VP won't go along with breaking the law...that's quite a bit more than a "sore loser"...and quite a bit different from warning about rules that make it harder to cast a ballot (suppression) and rules that allow the rule makers (GOP) to ignore the actual vote count and simply declare a winner (subversion)...? Not really the same, right?

Serious question, why is it disingenuous for the last administration to ask a few states to double check their counts before conceding? Ignore that it was Trump b/c that taints your view. And suppose they found errors that flipped a state(s)....how would you then argue your point?

That is NOT what Trump was asking for. He wanted the votes overturned because he did not legitimately win. Nobody found enough errors to overturn anything, including the bogus extra AZ recount by a company that clearly did not know what they were doing.

And there were recounts in lots of jurisdictions...

[NattyBohChamps04]

Serious question, why is it disingenuous for the last administration to ask a few states to double check their counts before conceding? Ignore that it was Trump b/c that taints your view. And suppose they found errors that flipped a state(s)....how would you then argue your point?

That's honestly a "Serious question"? Anyway, I'll answer.

It's not disingenuous if the last administration asked a few states to double check their counts before conceding.

But the last administration didn't do that. They yelled and screamed at the top of their lungs about widespread fraud and rigging and never conceded. They even tried to overturn the actual results. The election was secure and fair and their claims got smacked down and disproven again and again.

And they didn't find errors that flipped states, so asking your followup question is completely moot. He wouldn't be arguing his current point.

And now a majority of Republicans think our elections are rigged.

[cradleandshoot]

Serious question, why is it disingenuous for the last administration to ask a few states to double check their counts before conceding? Ignore that it was Trump b/c that taints your view. And suppose they found errors that flipped a state(s)....how would you then argue your point?

That's honestly a "Serious question"? Anyway, I'll answer.

It's not disingenuous if the last administration asked a few states to double check their counts before conceding.

But the last administration didn't do that. They yelled and screamed at the top of their lungs about widespread fraud and rigging and never conceded. They even tried to overturn the actual results. The election was secure and fair and their claims got smacked down and disproven again and again.

And they didn't find errors that flipped states, so asking your followup question is completely moot. He wouldn't be arguing his current point.

And now a majority of Republicans think our elections are rigged.

What a coincidence, a majority of Democrats think most black Americans can't figure out how to vote in an election.