All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

Thanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.

It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.

You don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.

You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.

He just lost interest…

After one single solitary question from Bart? Yeah, Ok. Wow, what discourse.

It's perfectly fine to lose interest in a conversation, or a poster....in this case, your's truly.

But to claim that he wants discourse, yet runs to the exit every time someone asks a question of tech, asking to clarify a position?

That's not discourse. And that's not someone who's here to share viewpoints. And again: that's fine. But don't claim a desire for viewpoints...when the reality is, the desire is for the SAME viewpoints. Others need not apply.

I made my position quite clear to Bart. I don't know enough to answer his question... but I did address it. Perhaps you need better reading comprehension.

With that warning about reading comprehension, I looked at your answer.

You didn't answer it directly, but you did indeed "address" it..equivocating by saying Bart is being "logical as well"...and the other position is "interesting" and by implication "logical" too.

Can you discern a difference that makes one or the other more compelling? Or no, they both seem to have equal value, equal likelihood of being correct?

Hint and to be clear: IMO one is wrong on its face. Bart say "alogical". He's polite.

In this day and age….a guy with a keyboard and passing knowledge is just as credible as someone that has spent their life in a field gaining expertise…..

[youthathletics]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

Do you believe no people lived that otherwise would have died had the globe not shut down? You don’t know what you are talking about.

[Farfromgeneva]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

Actually statistics kinda require context. In isolation they are just random number generator relevant. Otherwise you’re talking descriptive statistics which offer no value outside the very specific cohort studied, but what you and others are thinking when talking statistics is inferential statistics where one can derive distribution patterns from a study or specific pool of data points.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

[wgdsr]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

I wonder if Few is vaccinated and wonder what his bubble inside the bubble is like? Who knows about the guys John’s spittle is infecting. Few has his mask down. Its funny.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/ ... ontent=amp

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/8255268002

https://academic.logos.com/the-covid-va ... evelation/

[wgdsr]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

I wonder if Few is vaccinated and wonder what his bubble inside the bubble is like? Who knows about the guys John’s spittle is infecting. Few has his mask down. Its funny.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/ ... ontent=amp

i thought we were talking about high profile folks at gonzaga:
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/ ... ontent=amp

[Bart]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

Set up Tech? How so? Disingenuous? Please.

We are not discussing any excess deaths caused by shutting down, we are talking about excess deaths with a COVID diagnosis. But to implicate that the shuttling down has lead a huge spikes in excess death is an equally bad take imo.

I did watch the entire video and that is why I replied. IMO, it is neither intriguing or a good take. The idea that these individuals with co-morbidities may had died anyhow is complete crap and not really intriguing at all.

[Bart]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

You don't want to buy that overpriced arena food anyhow. C'mon, pre-game is the only way to go.

[wgdsr]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

You don't want to buy that overpriced arena food anyhow. C'mon, pre-game is the only way to go.

it's just bad planning if you ever have to buy their food. aramark's turrible at uva. long standing, they have pictures of somebody.
it has been a bit comical how so many complain about it and now are aghast.
the workers there that may be there 4-5 hours are also banned. would guess if they're enterprising they can set up a water cooler outside some exits.

i didn't see anything about a ban on flasks in the back waistband.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

I wonder if Few is vaccinated and wonder what his bubble inside the bubble is like? Who knows about the guys John’s spittle is infecting. Few has his mask down. Its funny.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/ ... ontent=amp

i thought we were talking about high profile folks at gonzaga:
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/ ... ontent=amp

No a guy that had been asked to wear a mask but refused. I wonder if Few decided to refuse orders? You don’t have to flush your toilet after a dump, but if you ask your house guests, I would guess that you would expect them to comply. But it’s their right.

[Farfromgeneva]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

Set up Tech? How so? Disingenuous? Please.

We are not discussing any excess deaths caused by shutting down, we are talking about excess deaths with a COVID diagnosis. But to implicate that the shuttling down has lead a huge spikes in excess death is an equally bad take imo.

I did watch the entire video and that is why I replied. IMO, it is neither intriguing or a good take. The idea that these individuals with co-morbidities may had died anyhow is complete crap and not really intriguing at all.

Yes in general counterfactual arguments have next to zero value. It’s adults playing choose your own adventure in their own minds when they use this technique.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

Set up Tech? How so? Disingenuous? Please.

We are not discussing any excess deaths caused by shutting down, we are talking about excess deaths with a COVID diagnosis. But to implicate that the shuttling down has lead a huge spikes in excess death is an equally bad take imo.

I did watch the entire video and that is why I replied. IMO, it is neither intriguing or a good take. The idea that these individuals with co-morbidities may had died anyhow is complete crap and not really intriguing at all.

But the guy uses a marker and underlines stuff and he has a British accent so he is credible. The Biden Administration should allow him to do the briefings, not Fauci, because he breaks it down so people can understand it (an actual position here).

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

You don't want to buy that overpriced arena food anyhow. C'mon, pre-game is the only way to go.

it's just bad planning if you ever have to buy their food. aramark's turrible at uva. long standing, they have pictures of somebody.
it has been a bit comical how so many complain about it and now are aghast.
the workers there that may be there 4-5 hours are also banned. would guess if they're enterprising they can set up a water cooler outside some exits.

i didn't see anything about a ban on flasks in the back waistband.

Are the BB tailgaits like many FB ones I’ve been to w sweater vests, wine and cheese? Or more of the Genny cream ale and pigs in a blanket variety? Don’t think I’ve been to a BB game at CVille that I can recall just a number of FB and some lacrosse games.

[Farfromgeneva]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

I wonder if Few is vaccinated and wonder what his bubble inside the bubble is like? Who knows about the guys John’s spittle is infecting. Few has his mask down. Its funny.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/ ... ontent=amp

i thought we were talking about high profile folks at gonzaga:
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/ ... ontent=amp

No a guy that had been asked to wear a mask but refused. I wonder if Few decided to refuse orders? You don’t have to flush your toilet after a dump, but if you ask your house guests, I would guess that you would expect them to comply. But it’s their right.

Where does that leave stranded floaters?

[wgdsr]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... sk-mandate

“During the interview, Stockton asserted that more than 100 professional athletes have died of vaccination. He also said tens of thousands of people – perhaps millions – have died from vaccines.
“I think it’s highly recorded now, there’s 150 I believe now, it’s over 100 professional athletes dead – professional athletes – the prime of their life, dropping dead that are vaccinated, right on the pitch, right on the field, right on the court,” Stockton said in the interview.”

Another damned fool.



Couldn’t find YA, Tech, Russell, Peter and the crew speaking

mark few throws his hands up at the whole thing:

https://images.app.goo.gl/kcL7Twy8C1jCTJkk6

uva just nixed food and drink for indoor events for 3 weeks. gotta pre-game now.

I wonder if Few is vaccinated and wonder what his bubble inside the bubble is like? Who knows about the guys John’s spittle is infecting. Few has his mask down. Its funny.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/ ... ontent=amp

i thought we were talking about high profile folks at gonzaga:
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/ ... ontent=amp

No a guy that had been asked to wear a mask but refused. I wonder if Few decided to refuse orders? You don’t have to flush your toilet after a dump, but if you ask your house guests, I would guess that you would expect them to comply. But it’s their right.

i dunno. when it comes to that point, i'm surely not defending his position. i am saying it looks like few (and many others) are refusing to comply with orders:
https://www.gonzaga.edu/zagon

so what are the orders?

[tech37]

Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.

BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.

Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?

You are setting up and choosing to argue an "either/or" position, when it clearly can be both and more; it is boolean logic, not binary.

Most certainly shutting down the world caused excess deaths... that would otherwise not have taken place. To try and set up tech, or anyone for that matter, is disingenuous. If you watched the entire video...the man simply states it is intriguing and not fully understood, but the stats speak for themselves; nothing more.

Set up Tech? How so? Disingenuous? Please.

We are not discussing any excess deaths caused by shutting down, we are talking about excess deaths with a COVID diagnosis. But to implicate that the shuttling down has lead a huge spikes in excess death is an equally bad take imo.

I did watch the entire video and that is why I replied. IMO, it is neither intriguing or a good take. The idea that these individuals with co-morbidities may had died anyhow is complete crap and not really intriguing at all.

Thanks youth but I didn't feel as though "set up." I will say that Bart was a bit defensive with his answer, most likely because he thought I was posting Campbell as fact, which I was not and tried to address that with him.

[runrussellrun]

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