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This Ethical Skeptic guy was all over this in 2020....of course the "smartest guys in the room" discounted every word of it:tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
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Last year’s Day of the Dead marked a grim milestone. On 1 November, the global death toll from the COVID-19 pandemic passed 5 million, official data suggested. It has now reached 5.5 million. But that figure is a significant underestimate.
Nothing to see. We may hit 925,000 American deaths my March 31st…. Meh… Fauci is a tool.
Nothing to see. We may hit 925,000 American deaths my March 31st…. Meh… Fauci is a tool.
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So we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
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Yes.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
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If it comes from Reddit or YouTube you know it’s true.
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Thanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse. Unfortunately we'll probably only get the usual condescension/ridicule from the usual characters on this board.
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Well....I did. Try finding that info. while traveling in China. THAT is censorship.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:40 am"If it was censored-----how'd ya find it? "a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:06 pmIf it was censored-----how'd ya find it?
Tech, you don't seem to understand how leading an organization works.
Picture a platoon taking a hill. Ya got one leader, making the call as to how to do it. Will he seek input from others? Sure.
But what you're suggesting is that this platoon leader (Fauci) take advice from ANYONE and EVERYONE. Heck, you're citing a doctor in the UK, and implying that if Fauci doesn't follow that Nurse Educator, it's somehow a conspiracy, and Fauci is the devil. Someone has to lead the CDC....and there's NO WAY that someone will make everyone happy....why do you not understand that?
Someone has to call the play, tech. It's not a conspiracy. And yep, that play call might be wrong...you seem to think that Fauci and the rest of us who think there's no right move in a pandemic don't understand that. But let's say you get your wish, and "someone else" replaces Fauci......how the F do you know anyone else would have done a better job than Fauci? You don't. There are no guarantees here.
And, as I keep telling you, Fauci is doing nothing but making suggestions. That's it. Governors make the ACTUAL call. And all 50 of them have made their own choices, and NONE of them are doing the same, exact thing. Heck, you cited my own Governor......Polis is done with the shut downs etc. Just like you want.
Trump got one thing really, really correct, iMHO. He left Covid up to the States. I have NO CLUE why so many Americans missed that memo, and therefore blame Fauci for things he's not AT ALL responsible for......
Damn. You sure got me with that one a fan.
I'm not an apologist. I'm telling you that no matter who ran the CDC, you'd be on here complaining that "they're doing it wrong".
They could have shipped Fauci off to some other post MONTHS ago. I wouldn't have cared a whit. I told you...the ONLY person that affects my day to day life is Jared Polis, and Denver's Mayor. I haven't heard a Fauci speech in months.
The Governors are making all the calls. Your silly conspiracy ends with them. Not a single Governor has followed Fauci's advice, to the letter.
But hey, why waste some perfectly good tin foil, right? This is America! It MUST be a conspiracy!!
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You don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.
You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.
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He just lost interest…that’s what has happened in the past but only everyone else is definable and a trope except one person who’s clearly a victim of their own uber mensch enlightenment.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:50 amYou don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.
You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.
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What is an “untrained scientific” mind?tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse. Unfortunately we'll probably only get the usual condescension/ridicule from the usual characters on this board.
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Yes.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse. Unfortunately we'll probably only get the usual condescension/ridicule from the usual characters on this board.
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Woke SF mob cancels A-Aron
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After one single solitary question from Bart? Yeah, Ok. Wow, what discourse.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:52 amHe just lost interest…a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:50 amYou don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.
You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.
It's perfectly fine to lose interest in a conversation, or a poster....in this case, your's truly.
But to claim that he wants discourse, yet runs to the exit every time someone asks a question of tech, asking to clarify a position?
That's not discourse. And that's not someone who's here to share viewpoints. And again: that's fine. But don't claim a desire for viewpoints...when the reality is, the desire is for the SAME viewpoints. Others need not apply.
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a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:47 amWell....I did. Try finding that info. while traveling in China. THAT is censorship.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:40 am"If it was censored-----how'd ya find it? "a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:06 pmIf it was censored-----how'd ya find it?
Tech, you don't seem to understand how leading an organization works.
Picture a platoon taking a hill. Ya got one leader, making the call as to how to do it. Will he seek input from others? Sure.
But what you're suggesting is that this platoon leader (Fauci) take advice from ANYONE and EVERYONE. Heck, you're citing a doctor in the UK, and implying that if Fauci doesn't follow that Nurse Educator, it's somehow a conspiracy, and Fauci is the devil. Someone has to lead the CDC....and there's NO WAY that someone will make everyone happy....why do you not understand that?
Someone has to call the play, tech. It's not a conspiracy. And yep, that play call might be wrong...you seem to think that Fauci and the rest of us who think there's no right move in a pandemic don't understand that. But let's say you get your wish, and "someone else" replaces Fauci......how the F do you know anyone else would have done a better job than Fauci? You don't. There are no guarantees here.
And, as I keep telling you, Fauci is doing nothing but making suggestions. That's it. Governors make the ACTUAL call. And all 50 of them have made their own choices, and NONE of them are doing the same, exact thing. Heck, you cited my own Governor......Polis is done with the shut downs etc. Just like you want.
Trump got one thing really, really correct, iMHO. He left Covid up to the States. I have NO CLUE why so many Americans missed that memo, and therefore blame Fauci for things he's not AT ALL responsible for......
Damn. You sure got me with that one a fan.
Ha, well no you didn't. The point was, the "censorship crowd would be on edge" because they missed that one. It was tongue-in-cheek dude.
I'm not an apologist. I'm telling you that no matter who ran the CDC, you'd be on here complaining that "they're doing it wrong".
They could have shipped Fauci off to some other post MONTHS ago. I wouldn't have cared a whit. I told you...the ONLY person that affects my day to day life is Jared Polis, and Denver's Mayor. I haven't heard a Fauci speech in months.
The Governors are making all the calls. Your silly conspiracy ends with them. Not a single Governor has followed Fauci's advice, to the letter.
Your usual strawman arguments. Who said the governors weren't making the calls? Not me. I even cited/referred to your state governor on more than one occasion that I agreed with his current position and that you would do well to listen to him.
But hey, why waste some perfectly good tin foil, right? This is America! It MUST be a conspiracy!!
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Maybe but civility in discourse would lead one to communicate that they think they’re at the end of their focus on a line of inquiry. Not just disappear and then show back up whining that others don’t want discourse after running and hiding.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:16 amAfter one single solitary question from Bart? Yeah, Ok. Wow, what discourse.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:52 amHe just lost interest…a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:50 amYou don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.
You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.
It's perfectly fine to lose interest in a conversation, or a poster....in this case, your's truly.
But to claim that he wants discourse, yet runs to the exit every time someone asks a question of tech, asking to clarify a position?
That's not discourse. And that's not someone who's here to share viewpoints. And again: that's fine. But don't claim a desire for viewpoints...when the reality is, the desire is for the SAME viewpoints. Others need not apply.
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I made my position quite clear to Bart. I don't know enough to answer his question... but I did address it. Perhaps you need better reading comprehension.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:16 amAfter one single solitary question from Bart? Yeah, Ok. Wow, what discourse.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:52 amHe just lost interest…a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:50 amYou don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.
You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.
It's perfectly fine to lose interest in a conversation, or a poster....in this case, your's truly.
But to claim that he wants discourse, yet runs to the exit every time someone asks a question of tech, asking to clarify a position?
That's not discourse. And that's not someone who's here to share viewpoints. And again: that's fine. But don't claim a desire for viewpoints...when the reality is, the desire is for the SAME viewpoints. Others need not apply.
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I guess I just do not see the logic in this position. I see it as alogical. For instance if you look up the most common cause of death of type 1 or 2 diabetics it is coronary disease/heart attack and cancer. There is no place in there that says it is multiple organ failure or septic shock, which is a common cause of COVID-19 death. If a viral infection leads to increased death with a group with a co-morbidity that is still a result of a viral infection that, until recently, was non existent.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse. Unfortunately we'll probably only get the usual condescension/ridicule from the usual characters on this board.
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Re: All things CoronaVirus
I appreciate tech's respectful tone with you Bart.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:32 amI guess I just do not see the logic in this position. I see it as alogical. For instance if you look up the most common cause of death of type 1 or 2 diabetics it is coronary disease/heart attack and cancer. There is no place in there that says it is multiple organ failure or septic shock, which is a common cause of COVID-19 death. If a viral infection leads to increased death with a group with a co-morbidity that is still a result of a viral infection that, until recently, was non existent.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse. Unfortunately we'll probably only get the usual condescension/ridicule from the usual characters on this board.
I guess what disturbs me is the willingness to spread/promote alternative theories which downplay or dismiss the impact of the virus or spread/promote nonsense about 'alternative' therapies that are no more than snake oil. Again, to suggest that following public health and medical expertise is not the right path...do this instead and you and everyone else will be just fine.
All under the cover of "discourse". And "debate".
Not that I have any issue with either, and am happy to engage, but when someone has a record of not debating in good faith, promoting proven, known falsehoods, I think that should be the starting point of any further "discourse".
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Re: All things CoronaVirus
With that warning about reading comprehension, I looked at your answer.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:21 amI made my position quite clear to Bart. I don't know enough to answer his question... but I did address it. Perhaps you need better reading comprehension.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:16 amAfter one single solitary question from Bart? Yeah, Ok. Wow, what discourse.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:52 amHe just lost interest…a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:50 amYou don't want open discourse, tech. You NEVER have. If you did, you wouldn't run away and hide every time someone asked a question you didn't want to answer, because it levels your position. It's why you call me a "lawyer wanna be". As if using logic to find the best idea is somehow a bad thing.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 amThanks Bart, appreciate your knowledge and opinion in this area. I posted this because to my untrained scientific mind it looks "interesting," as I stated. To my untrained scientific mind, what you're saying seems logical as well. Debate is good...cancellation/censorship isn't. I'm sure you agree.Bart wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:12 amSo we have to believe that all those people with co-morbidities would have just died anyhow? They had a co-morbidity that the virus just pushed them over the edge. Happens with viral infections right(it does)......... So we would expect similar excess deaths every year when cold and flu season hits would we not? Or...perhaps it is because of this particular virus that these people died. IT is a BS postulation imo. An extra 150K(ball park here) just do not die every year due to viral infections....if so there would be no real excess deaths right now would there.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:01 am Interesting stats from the "UK nurse trainer " ... post FOIA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
BTW...using this logic, most cancer deaths would not be from cancer. The original tumor for which a person diagnosed rarely is the cause of death. Usually it is secondary metastasis that get people. It is a result of the co-morbidity of the first tumor.
Is it your position that all these increased deaths have nothing to do with the virus? That it is all blown it of proportion?
It would be great to hear from others with your background and/or understanding, in the interest of open discourse.
You didn't answer Bart's question, bolded above. You want discourse? Great. Answer his question, and we'll discuss your answer.
It's perfectly fine to lose interest in a conversation, or a poster....in this case, your's truly.
But to claim that he wants discourse, yet runs to the exit every time someone asks a question of tech, asking to clarify a position?
That's not discourse. And that's not someone who's here to share viewpoints. And again: that's fine. But don't claim a desire for viewpoints...when the reality is, the desire is for the SAME viewpoints. Others need not apply.
You didn't answer it directly, but you did indeed "address" it..equivocating by saying Bart is being "logical as well"...and the other position is "interesting" and by implication "logical" too.
Can you discern a difference that makes one or the other more compelling? Or no, they both seem to have equal value, equal likelihood of being correct?
Hint and to be clear: IMO one is wrong on its face. Bart say "alogical". He's polite.