No, it's not accurate to say that all deaths from Omicron have at least 4 co-morbidities with each of them. That would be false, and/or a misstatement. What would be fair is to say that nearly all deaths among those vaccinated and boosted have at least one co-morbidity factor, whether elderly, diabetes, heart disease, or obesity (encompasses 2/3rd of all US adults) or otherwise immunosuppressed...which is a much smaller %. And the number of co-morbidities definitely increases chances, and a lot of overweight people are at least pre-diabetic, often with at least low levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, etc....but don't need "at least 4". And the really good news is that if vaccinated and boosted, there is a very, very low chance of death...but not zero.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:44 amThat anecdotal evidence is happening all over the place...with Omicron. The messaging was even further convoluted over the weekend when the CDC director was tasked with simple questioning. She honestly admitted that the deaths they are now seeing with Omicron have at least 4 comorbidities with each of them; she has since had to walk that back. I believe it was also her stating the the hospitalization are not from an influx of admission due to Omicron, but are catching it while there.ggait wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:21 amThat's the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can easily miss the forest when looking at just a few trees nearby.With any hope, this latest variant should put most at ease. Anecdotal....my brother in law, never vaccinated, just tested positive on Wednesday, age late 40's solid health, one night of fever and sweats, just now dealing with cold/congestion symptoms.
Sure most cases of Omi are mild. But since there are sooo many cases, the current outlook for the system/nation seem pretty bad.
The lagging indicator of hospitalizations is up 82% in the last two weeks. Currently at about the same level we saw during the January 2021 peak, and projected to keep increasing sharply for the next 3 weeks.
And then we'll get to see what happens to the next lagging indicator -- daily deaths. Up 16% over the past two weeks and projected to go up to 2,000 per day. So about equal to the Delta peak back in September 2021.
The optimistic scenario is that once we get through yet another bad peak of hospitalizations/deaths, things should really improve in March and April. Hopefully, that is when the pandemic ends and we can finally get into the endemic stage (i.e. live with Covid).
I am with you though, Omicron is our way out, so long as the safety switch on this variant stays on. And just think.....it'll all be sunshine and rainbows come election time late this summer/early fall just in time for them to take credit for shutting down the virus.
Those not vaccinated have greatly heightened risk of hospitalization and death from Omicron. Including those without obvious co-morbidity factor (though again, 2/3rd have at least some co-morbidity factor, though many don't recognize that reality). But lower than prior variants, thank goodness.
Problem is that it's so infectious it's getting to the vulnerable at a very fast pace. So, hospitalizations piling up fast...
Not sure where you're getting the "catching it there"...all the reporting is that they're testing for Omicron on all admissions and finding a very high incidence, regardless of whether any Covid related symptoms are part of the reason for admission...doesn't mean that no one is catching Covid in hospital, surely that's happening too, but what they're saying is that a lot of people already have it on admission. Those hospitalizations are not the big problem, they'd be happening anyway, it's the huge surge of Covid-symptom admissions....which is happening mostly in the unvaccinated. Anecdotes aside, that's simply the statistical reality.
The good news is that they're seeing fewer, as a percentage, deaths than in prior waves...but that doesn't mean that hospitalizations aren't really, really costly in all sorts of ways.
Seems to me, thinking positive, this huge level of rapid infectiousness may mean a short duration of the crush in hospitalizations, and then indeed we'll be moving toward an 'endemic' stage...which should be tolerable if the pill therapies become ubiquitous and cheap and rapid testing becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Fingers crossed.