All things CoronaVirus

[a fan]

At a time when the U.S. needed Covid-19 dialogue between scientists, Francis Collins moved to shut it down

This week, emails released through a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Institute for Economic Research revealed what I see as worrisome communication between Francis Collins, Anthony Fauci, and others within the National Institutes of Health in the fall of 2020. At issue was the Great Barrington Declaration, an open letter written in October 2020 and eventually signed by thousands of scientists. It argues that Covid-19 policy should focus on protecting the elderly and vulnerable, and largely re-open society and school for others.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/23/at- ... t-it-down/

You seem to want our health leaders to move by committee-------to let hundreds and hundreds of scientists...many not even American...... to constantly debate what we should do as a nation, in real time, all while we're in the middle of a pandemic. Don't stifle any voices. Listen to every view. And repeat this process with every single choice we make surrounding the pandemic.

Do I have that right?

[youthathletics]

Mayo drops 700: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayo-clini ... employees/

[jhu72]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

[jhu72]

At a time when the U.S. needed Covid-19 dialogue between scientists, Francis Collins moved to shut it down

This week, emails released through a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the American Institute for Economic Research revealed what I see as worrisome communication between Francis Collins, Anthony Fauci, and others within the National Institutes of Health in the fall of 2020. At issue was the Great Barrington Declaration, an open letter written in October 2020 and eventually signed by thousands of scientists. It argues that Covid-19 policy should focus on protecting the elderly and vulnerable, and largely re-open society and school for others.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/23/at- ... t-it-down/

You seem to want our health leaders to move by committee-------to let hundreds and hundreds of scientists...many not even American...... to constantly debate what we should do as a nation, in real time, all while we're in the middle of a pandemic. Don't stifle any voices. Listen to every view. And repeat this process with every single choice we make surrounding the pandemic.

Do I have that right?

... the McDonalds declaration with a happy meal.

[PizzaSnake]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

Fustigation is persuasive…

Or is that too distasteful for some of the audience here?

[wgdsr]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

[jhu72]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

... like handing out indulgences in the Catholic Church.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

[tech37]

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So everyone is A-Ok with the Collins' email? I love the use of "fringe" which includes a Nobel Prize winner.

[wgdsr]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

nice (not nice). you're a bird who needs his wings, you've been bottled up too long.

here's to walter reed and soccer balls, or herd immunity, or sumthin'.

[wgdsr]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

... like handing out indulgences in the Catholic Church.

the original greased grifters.

[youthathletics]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

what a shithole county to visit.

[jhu72]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

what a shithole county to visit.

... well the French do have a little different outlook on sex

[Typical Lax Dad]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

nice (not nice). you're a bird who needs his wings, you've been bottled up too long.

here's to walter reed and soccer balls, or herd immunity, or sumthin'.

Vaccinated and boosted. Risk is low. Plan to get some traveling in this year. Including an F1 race. NCAA First Four In with HS teammates is also tentatively on the schedule.

[youthathletics]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

what a shithole county to visit.

... well the French do have a little different outlook on sex

Maybe that why TLD wants to go 'back there' so badly.

[ggait]

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So everyone is A-Ok with the Collins' email? I love the use of "fringe" which includes a Nobel Prize winner.

110% fine with it.

Collins wasn’t calling for the GBD (basically herd immunity strategy) to be suppressed. It got lots of publicity when released in nov 2020.

Collins was calling for it to be responded to — you know free marketplace of ideas and all that. And folks decided the widely touted gbd wasn’t worth pursuing.

FYI, the Stanford Nobel laureate is not an md or an immunologist. Has no experience with infectious diseases. But the main gbd guys do. But folks were not convinced by their arguments.

Also, I’d note that the gbd was basically an anti lock down message pre vaccines. We were pretty much done with lock downs by the time it came out. Especially since the vaccines were right on the cusp of availability.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The right way. Sticks. Not carrots.

i understand one-way tickets to france are still available.
#amidoingthisrite?

imagine being one of the folks in charge of handing these passes out? a gold mine. there's risk, but fortune favors the brave.

I am headed there either in March or August. Round Trip. Some new museums have opened that we want to see. Hoping to get to Marrakesh this year as well.

In the 16th century the first plot of land now covered by the Bourse de Commerce was used to build an hôtel particulier for Catherine de Medici, the longtime queen consort of France. All that remains of that initial period is the so-called Medici column in front of the building. In the late 18th century, the city erected a circular building on the site of the old Medici mansion for a grain exchange, setting a template that has been preserved ever since. A wooden dome destroyed in a fire was replaced by an iron dome, an addition that drew its share of criticism at the time. In his 1831 novel, Notre-Dame de Paris, Hugo poked fun at the building: “The dome of the Halle au Blé is an English jockey cap on a large scale.”

what a shithole county to visit.

... well the French do have a little different outlook on sex

Maybe that why TLD wants to go 'back there' so badly.

When were you last there?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/ ... -exemption

[a fan]

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/sta ... 30/photo/1

So everyone is A-Ok with the Collins' email? I love the use of "fringe" which includes a Nobel Prize winner.

I just....never read the comments, as they say. Your esteemed internet colleagues clearly didn't bother reading the email, either.

Here you have, in writing, evidence of the "Medical Establishment" doing EXACTLY what you've been asking them to do, tech.

They're looking at other paths to take in handling the US pandemic, suggested by other epidemiologists, and "publish a take down of its premises". Obviously, the context of the email is that Collins has read their theory in question, and (gasp) disagrees with it wholesale.

They're LITERALLY doing what you asked, Tech-----considering other options, and refuted the value of those options in full view of the public. Hence the word "publish".

My question to you is: why aren't you cheering this email?

BTW, I LOVE your esteemed colleagues predictable response......"This is outrageous. He and TheExperts™ conspired to stifle free speech
He was part of a coordinated effort to stop anyone including Nobel prize winners from challenging his approved #COVID19 narrative"


So now when a scientist suggests publicly refuting the premises of another scientist......It's stifling free speech. Neat-0.

I'm amazed that these geniuses can type. Or figure out how to turn a computer on.

[tech37]

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/sta ... 30/photo/1

So everyone is A-Ok with the Collins' email? I love the use of "fringe" which includes a Nobel Prize winner.

110% fine with it.

Collins wasn’t calling for the GBD (basically herd immunity strategy) to be suppressed. It got lots of publicity when released in nov 2020.

Collins was calling for it to be responded to — you know free marketplace of ideas and all that. And folks decided the widely touted gbd wasn’t worth pursuing.

FYI, the Stanford Nobel laureate is not an md or an immunologist. Has no experience with infectious diseases. But the main gbd guys do. But folks were not convinced by their arguments.

Also, I’d note that the gbd was basically an anti lock down message pre vaccines. We were pretty much done with lock downs by the time it came out. Especially since the vaccines were right on the cusp of availability.

Wasn't calling to be suppressed? "There needs to be a quick and devastating takedown of its premises"

BTW, the GBD was about protecting the most vulnerable in our society (you know, sorta like Cuomo did with NYS nursing homes ) while keeping the economy and schools open, not "herd immunity" per se. It was about balance.