Conservatives and Liberals

[a fan]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

[old salt]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

[a fan]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

Smokescreen?

That's not a smokescreen. A smokescreen is that all you are perfectly fine making the Government 60% bigger----and the "reason" you're handing me that this spending is ok, is "because" some Democrats voted for it. "Therefore" making the Government 60% bigger in four years is fine. Dude. What the heck are you talking about? Who cares that Dems voted for it?

[old salt]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

Smokescreen?

That's not a smokescreen. A smokescreen is that all you are perfectly fine making the Government 60% bigger----and the "reason" you're handing me that this spending is ok, is "because" some Democrats voted for it. "Therefore" making the Government 60% bigger in four years is fine. Dude. What the heck are you talking about? Who cares that Dems voted for it?

...you must, you are the one constantly keeping score by "team". Both "teams " agreed when emerg spending was needed.

[MDlaxfan76]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

Smokescreen?

That's not a smokescreen. A smokescreen is that all you are perfectly fine making the Government 60% bigger----and the "reason" you're handing me that this spending is ok, is "because" some Democrats voted for it. "Therefore" making the Government 60% bigger in four years is fine. Dude. What the heck are you talking about? Who cares that SOME Dems voted for it?

Corrected it for you.

[a fan]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

Smokescreen?

That's not a smokescreen. A smokescreen is that all you are perfectly fine making the Government 60% bigger----and the "reason" you're handing me that this spending is ok, is "because" some Democrats voted for it. "Therefore" making the Government 60% bigger in four years is fine. Dude. What the heck are you talking about? Who cares that Dems voted for it?

...you must, you are the one constantly keeping score by "team". Both "teams " agreed when emerg spending was needed.

Nope. I care that your team made government 60% larger than it was when Trump arrived, and neither noticed or cared because Trump is on your team.

THAT is why I keep saying "your team" OS. You didn't say a peep about it. Now that Biden has the wrong letter by his name? You and Kramerica (and others) get religion about spending.

Stop being so transparently partisan about every issue? I"ll GLADLY stop calling it "your team".

But sure, tell me again about how worried you are about Federal spending now that Trump is done doing his damage. It's touching.

[old salt]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

Smokescreen?

That's not a smokescreen. A smokescreen is that all you are perfectly fine making the Government 60% bigger----and the "reason" you're handing me that this spending is ok, is "because" some Democrats voted for it. "Therefore" making the Government 60% bigger in four years is fine. Dude. What the heck are you talking about? Who cares that Dems voted for it?

...you must, you are the one constantly keeping score by "team". Both "teams " agreed when emerg spending was needed.

Nope. I care that your team made government 60% larger than it was when Trump arrived, and neither noticed or cared because Trump is on your team.

THAT is why I keep saying "your team" OS. You didn't say a peep about it. Now that Biden has the wrong letter by his name? You and Kramerica (and others) get religion about spending.

Stop being so transparently partisan about every issue? I"ll GLADLY stop calling it "your team".

But sure, tell me again about how worried you are about Federal spending now that Trump is done doing his damage. It's touching.

It was necessary national security funding that had been deferred under Obama -- our military & VA were in bad shape, it cost to finish off ISIS, all passed with (D) votes. It was not increased entitlements. I thought you wanted to take care of our vets.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans- ... bt-4114401
Trump increased military spending in Fiscal Year (FY) 2021 to $933 billion. That includes three components:

$636 billion base budget for the Department of Defense
$69 billion in overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group
$229 billion to fund the other agencies that protect our nation, including the Department of Veterans Affairs ($105 billion), Homeland Security ($50 billion), the State Department ($44 billion), the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($20 billion), and the FBI and Cybersecurity for the Department of Justice ($10 billion)

[NattyBohChamps04]

...you're aware Manchin is a (D) right ? He & Sinema are not the only (D) Senators who don't want BBB, they can oppose it because it helps them at home. Were it not for them, the (R)'s would control the Senate & BBB would never reach the floor. Your beef is with your fellow (D)'s.

BBB, even more so than ACA, is full of multi-trillion $ entitlements that will never end nor ever be reduced,
...funded by piling them on an already unsustainable deficit.

Fundamental obligations & changes to our society of this magnitude require the full legislative process, rather than gimmicks like reconciliation.

My beef is that you're calling the D's "all-or-nothing scorched earth" when they clearly compromise within their party and with Republicans. They do it all the time, even in your own example where you said they don't.

R's seem to do it much less. Seems like they don't vote for things good for America if it gives D's a "win".

[a fan]

It was necessary national security funding that had been deferred under Obama -- our military & VA were in bad shape, it cost to finish off ISIS, all passed with (D) votes. It was not increased entitlements. I thought you wanted to take care of our vets.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans- ... bt-4114401
Trump increased military spending in Fiscal Year (FY) 2021 to $933 billion. That includes three components:

$636 billion base budget for the Department of Defense
$69 billion in overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group
$229 billion to fund the other agencies that protect our nation, including the Department of Veterans Affairs ($105 billion), Homeland Security ($50 billion), the State Department ($44 billion), the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($20 billion), and the FBI and Cybersecurity for the Department of Justice ($10 billion)

Yeah, that's just one bill, OS. What about the other spending bills Trump signed pre-Covid?

[old salt]

It was necessary national security funding that had been deferred under Obama -- our military & VA were in bad shape, it cost to finish off ISIS, all passed with (D) votes. It was not increased entitlements. I thought you wanted to take care of our vets.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans- ... bt-4114401
Trump increased military spending in Fiscal Year (FY) 2021 to $933 billion. That includes three components:

$636 billion base budget for the Department of Defense
$69 billion in overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group
$229 billion to fund the other agencies that protect our nation, including the Department of Veterans Affairs ($105 billion), Homeland Security ($50 billion), the State Department ($44 billion), the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($20 billion), and the FBI and Cybersecurity for the Department of Justice ($10 billion)

Yeah, that's just one bill, OS. What about the other spending bills Trump signed pre-Covid?

That's where the increases were. It was natl security catch up.
The other ongoing govt stuff, debt, & existing entitlements still needed to be funded.
Read the rest of my link.

[CU88]

Neither Malia Obama, Sasha Obama, nor Chelsea Clinton was subpoenaed today.

[cradleandshoot]

Neither Malia Obama, Sasha Obama, nor Chelsea Clinton was subpoenaed today.

Perhaps the most most stupid post on this forum ever. Way to go Cornell. Does a subeona equate to being guilty of anything? I'm sure you were not a graduate of Cornell Law School. I'm more certain than ever you excelled at basket weaving and sold your wares at the Sunday flea markets in Ithaca. I'm guessing that is a personal attack. If it is.. well deserved on your part.
The tears you must have shed when Longaberger went OOB..

[MDlaxfan76]

It was necessary national security funding that had been deferred under Obama -- our military & VA were in bad shape, it cost to finish off ISIS, all passed with (D) votes. It was not increased entitlements. I thought you wanted to take care of our vets.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans- ... bt-4114401
Trump increased military spending in Fiscal Year (FY) 2021 to $933 billion. That includes three components:

$636 billion base budget for the Department of Defense
$69 billion in overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group
$229 billion to fund the other agencies that protect our nation, including the Department of Veterans Affairs ($105 billion), Homeland Security ($50 billion), the State Department ($44 billion), the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($20 billion), and the FBI and Cybersecurity for the Department of Justice ($10 billion)

Yeah, that's just one bill, OS. What about the other spending bills Trump signed pre-Covid?

That's where the increases were. It was natl security catch up.
The other ongoing govt stuff, debt, & existing entitlements still needed to be funded.
Read the rest of my link.

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/spending-has ... dent-trump

More importantly, https://www.newsweek.com/under-donald-t ... on-1561627

[CU88]

Neither Malia Obama, Sasha Obama, nor Chelsea Clinton was subpoenaed today.

Perhaps the most most stupid post on this forum ever. Way to go Cornell. Does a subeona equate to being guilty of anything? I'm sure you were not a graduate of Cornell Law School. I'm more certain than ever you excelled at basket weaving and sold your wares at the Sunday flea markets in Ithaca. I'm guessing that is a personal attack. If it is.. well deserved on your part.
The tears you must have shed when Longaberger went OOB..

You might be right, but here is the "...MOST MOST STUPID POST on this forum ever":

by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.

[cradleandshoot]

Neither Malia Obama, Sasha Obama, nor Chelsea Clinton was subpoenaed today.

Perhaps the most most stupid post on this forum ever. Way to go Cornell. Does a subeona equate to being guilty of anything? I'm sure you were not a graduate of Cornell Law School. I'm more certain than ever you excelled at basket weaving and sold your wares at the Sunday flea markets in Ithaca. I'm guessing that is a personal attack. If it is.. well deserved on your part.
The tears you must have shed when Longaberger went OOB..

You might be right, but here is the "...MOST MOST STUPID POST on this forum ever":

by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.

How could I ever leave you?? It sounds like you had a bad day weaving baskets. What's the matter? Did you get a paper cut?

[CU88]

Neither Malia Obama, Sasha Obama, nor Chelsea Clinton was subpoenaed today.

Perhaps the most most stupid post on this forum ever. Way to go Cornell. Does a subeona equate to being guilty of anything? I'm sure you were not a graduate of Cornell Law School. I'm more certain than ever you excelled at basket weaving and sold your wares at the Sunday flea markets in Ithaca. I'm guessing that is a personal attack. If it is.. well deserved on your part.
The tears you must have shed when Longaberger went OOB..

You might be right, but here is the "...MOST MOST STUPID POST on this forum ever":

by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.

How could I ever leave you?? It sounds like you had a bad day weaving baskets. What's the matter? Did you get a paper cut?

by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
This is cradle and shoot signing out.

[dislaxxic]

Ol' Uncle Cranky...he really OWNS them libs, don't he?

..

[cradleandshoot]

Ol' Uncle Cranky...he really OWNS them libs, don't he?

..

Why would I want to own any libs?? You folks are the modern day equivalent of Covid 19. You all are an infectious virus that there is no vaccine to prevent you all spreading your disease. For this old angry, hateful white guy.. I triple mask and wear a hazmat suit when in close proximity to any FLP liberal.

[cradleandshoot]

Ol' Uncle Cranky...he really OWNS them libs, don't he?

..

[PizzaSnake]

Give it a rest. You're just trying to stifle legit open debate. tedious.

Quite the opposite. You didn't WANT legit open debate when your team was doing it, OS. THAT is my entire point.

You didn't care. No examination. No discussion. No deficit worries. No worries for the future.

But, hey, if you're ready to go through all the economic damage that Trump did now-----great! Let's go.

(you and I both know you didn't care about what Trump did then, and you sure as *hit don't care now)

What massive permanent spending did (R)'s ram through, outside the regular legislative process, like the (D)'s did with ACA/reconciliation & are now trying to do with BBB ? So long as one party does not hold the WH, House, & 60 Senate seats, spending is bi-partisan.

Yeah, like the first two years of Trump. I know. I like that you're trying to tell us that this spending is "outside of the regular legislative process".

Quick question, since you're pretending to care about spending bill passing using the "regular spending process": when was the last time Congress fulfilled one of its only Constitutional duties, and passed an annual budget.

I'll wait. Get back to me.

If you want to restrain deficit spending, you'd oppose bypassing the normal Congressional process via gimmicks like reconciliation & stuffing so many spending programs into massive omnibus bills that members don't even know what they are voting for, let alone inform the citizens they represent.

You mean like when I offered Kramerica a steak dinner that he couldn't tell me what was in the three massive spending bills that Trump signed BEFORE Covid, and that didn't include any military spending? Like that?

But sure, tell me more about how now that you think someone with a D by their name might pass a bill, that you are pretending to care about the deficit or spending.

How about let's start here: comment on how Trump increased Federal spending by well over 60% in just four years.

Go ahead, let your concern over Big Government and the deficit rip, OS.....let's hear the complaints!!

BTW, when do we get the peace dividend from Afghanistan, and start seeing military spending cuts, OS? Our Troops are gone, and you claimed that Trump rebuilt our military with his spending....so when do we start cutting, and by how much? 20%? 30%?

yada,yada,yada = smokescreen. What massive, long term spending did Trump cram through that did not get at least 60 Senate votes to reach the floor ? That required (D) approval = bipartisan.

Smokescreen?

That's not a smokescreen. A smokescreen is that all you are perfectly fine making the Government 60% bigger----and the "reason" you're handing me that this spending is ok, is "because" some Democrats voted for it. "Therefore" making the Government 60% bigger in four years is fine. Dude. What the heck are you talking about? Who cares that Dems voted for it?

...you must, you are the one constantly keeping score by "team". Both "teams " agreed when emerg spending was needed.

Nope. I care that your team made government 60% larger than it was when Trump arrived, and neither noticed or cared because Trump is on your team.

THAT is why I keep saying "your team" OS. You didn't say a peep about it. Now that Biden has the wrong letter by his name? You and Kramerica (and others) get religion about spending.

Stop being so transparently partisan about every issue? I"ll GLADLY stop calling it "your team".

But sure, tell me again about how worried you are about Federal spending now that Trump is done doing his damage. It's touching.

It was necessary national security funding that had been deferred under Obama -- our military & VA were in bad shape, it cost to finish off ISIS, all passed with (D) votes. It was not increased entitlements. I thought you wanted to take care of our vets.

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans- ... bt-4114401
Trump increased military spending in Fiscal Year (FY) 2021 to $933 billion. That includes three components:

$636 billion base budget for the Department of Defense
$69 billion in overseas contingency operations for DoD to fight the Islamic State group
$229 billion to fund the other agencies that protect our nation, including the Department of Veterans Affairs ($105 billion), Homeland Security ($50 billion), the State Department ($44 billion), the National Nuclear Security Administration in the Department of Energy ($20 billion), and the FBI and Cybersecurity for the Department of Justice ($10 billion)

Military benefits aren’t entitlements?

So, in your opinion, what is an “entitlement”?