All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
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64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
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7
10%
 
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tech37 wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:48 am
dislaxxic wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:31 am My point, probably poorly made, is that those that choose to not get vaccinated for anything other than objective medical reasons ought to probably be treated differently.

No admittance to public places or private places that don't welcome them. Sent to facilities where they can be treated by unvaccinated healthcare people. Yes: discrimination. In the name of public health. Maybe a (henna) "UV" tattoo on their foreheads? ;)

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Actually dis, why make the point at all...it's obvious where you stand 8-)
...and just as obviously, it's pretty clear i stand in the mainstream here...that is, the mainstream of good common sense that has the common good at heart. :mrgreen:

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:26 am
tech37 wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:48 am
dislaxxic wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:31 am My point, probably poorly made, is that those that choose to not get vaccinated for anything other than objective medical reasons ought to probably be treated differently.

No admittance to public places or private places that don't welcome them. Sent to facilities where they can be treated by unvaccinated healthcare people. Yes: discrimination. In the name of public health. Maybe a (henna) "UV" tattoo on their foreheads? ;)

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Actually dis, why make the point at all...it's obvious where you stand 8-)
...and just as obviously, it's pretty clear i stand in the mainstream here...that is, the mainstream of good common sense that has the common good at heart. :mrgreen:

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Of course you do! :D
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tech37 wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:48 am
dislaxxic wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:31 am My point, probably poorly made, is that those that choose to not get vaccinated for anything other than objective medical reasons ought to probably be treated differently.

No admittance to public places or private places that don't welcome them. Sent to facilities where they can be treated by unvaccinated healthcare people. Yes: discrimination. In the name of public health. Maybe a (henna) "UV" tattoo on their foreheads? ;)

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Actually dis, why make the point at all...it's obvious where you stand 8-)
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:25 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:16 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:59 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:57 am
Perhaps in time new Covid vaccines will be developed that don't carry the same stigma for many that the current ones seem to and more people will voluntarily get vaccinated.
Wow -- this just dumb turned up to 11.

There's plenty of polls and surveys that have been done on this. The remaining MAGA/red mouth breathers say they will never ever ever take a vaccine. The blue refuse-niks at least say they might get the shot someday (but we know they never will). They are unreachable. So you just need to hit them with sticks (no shot no job; no shot, pay $200 bucks extra on your insurance).

Delta Airlines proved months ago that it is a complete waste of time to reason with these people or treat them nicely. Forget about the carrots.

Just hit them with a very small stick, and they will fold like a lawn chair. Kind of like smacking your dog on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
Get off your high horse just for once. It's obvious that vaccination plateaued months ago. Having people like you berating anti-vaxxers has worked really well hasn't it? Who's being dumb?
The people not taking the vaccines, dying by the hundreds of thousands. How do you not see this?

Reagan would have told these people to get lost months ago, cut all Federal Covid funding, and moved on.
+1….we are catering to deplorables.
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TLD, is the new Paul Ryan :lol:

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youthathletics wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:54 am TLD, is the new Paul Ryan :lol:

I believe vaccines are free for old and poor people.
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tech37 wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:29 amOf course you do! :D
YAY! Good to see that tumbling around in the AF Vortex so long has gotten you thinking clearly! 8-)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... -oklahoma/

"A federal court on Tuesday denied a lawsuit filed by Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) that challenged the Pentagon’s military-wide coronavirus vaccine mandate by asking that the requirement be suspended for his state’s National Guard members.

Judge Stephen P. Friot sided with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who has said the mandate is needed to maintain a healthy force that is ready to act quickly. Friot also disagreed with Stitt’s assertion that the Pentagon was overstepping its constitutional authority, noting that guard members are already required to receive nine immunizations.

“Adding a tenth … vaccine to the list of nine that all service members are already required to take would hardly amount to ‘an enormous and transformative expansion [of the] regulatory authority’ the Secretary of Defense already possesses,” he wrote in his ruling.

The ruling boosts the legal standing of the military vaccine mandate as the Biden administration struggles to increase vaccination rates among Americans.

Tuesday’s decision comes a few weeks after the Republican governors of Alaska, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska and Wyoming urged the Pentagon to reconsider vaccine requirements for their National Guard contingents in a joint letter.

They argued — just as Stitt has done — that the National Guard is under the authority of each state’s governor unless activated by the president. This means, they said, that coronavirus vaccination requirements cannot be imposed by the defense secretary on their states’ National Guard members so long as the troops are not mobilized by the federal government.

Judge Friot’s ruling on Tuesday served as a de facto disagreement with that argument. It also rejected Stitt’s legal motion to suspend the Pentagon mandate in Oklahoma until the court could complete a fuller review of the military mandate.

“It is unmistakably clear that the intent of Congress … is that the Guard and its members will at all events be prepared, conformably to federal military standards, to be ordered into federal service … on little or no notice,” said Friot, who was nominated to his post by Republican President George W. Bush in 2001.

The Biden administration is “acting well within the authority granted by the Constitution and laws of the United States,” Friot added.

National Guard troops refusing vaccine will lose pay, Pentagon says, in warning shot to GOP-led states

Many states — sometimes successfully — have sought to convince courts to halt the Biden administration’s vaccine mandates, which have aimed to compel federal contractors, federal agencies, private businesses with 100 or more workers, and health-care facilities covered by Medicaid and Medicare to vaccinate their employees, minus those who have qualified for medical or religious exemptions.

Those states’ leaders, many of them Republicans, have said that the mandates infringe upon citizens’ rights to make their own medical decisions.

Stitt argued that the same logic applied to his state’s National Guard members. In a Nov. 2 letter to Austin, Stitt wrote that the “mandate violates the personal freedoms of many Oklahomans.” The defense secretary replied later that month: “The concerns raised in your letter do not negate the need for this important military readiness requirement.”

“All members of the Oklahoma Army and Air National Guard, regardless of duty status, must follow … COVID-19 vaccine compliance … requirements,” Austin wrote on Nov. 29. The mandate is needed to fight the coronavirus, which “jeopardizes our ability to meet mission requirements,” he said.

The deadlines for the military’s coronavirus vaccine requirement differ depending on branch and active-duty status. For the Air National Guard, the mandate took effect early this month but was extended to Dec. 31 last week. For the Army National Guard, the deadline is June.

Troops who do not meet the vaccine requirement and do not qualify for an exemption are subject to penalties that may include forfeiture of pay or forcible separation from the military."
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:28 am https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... -oklahoma/

"A federal court on Tuesday denied a lawsuit filed by Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) that challenged the Pentagon’s military-wide coronavirus vaccine mandate by asking that the requirement be suspended for his state’s National Guard members.

Judge Stephen P. Friot sided with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who has said the mandate is needed to maintain a healthy force that is ready to act quickly. Friot also disagreed with Stitt’s assertion that the Pentagon was overstepping its constitutional authority, noting that guard members are already required to receive nine immunizations.

“Adding a tenth … vaccine to the list of nine that all service members are already required to take would hardly amount to ‘an enormous and transformative expansion [of the] regulatory authority’ the Secretary of Defense already possesses,” he wrote in his ruling.

The ruling boosts the legal standing of the military vaccine mandate as the Biden administration struggles to increase vaccination rates among Americans.

Tuesday’s decision comes a few weeks after the Republican governors of Alaska, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska and Wyoming urged the Pentagon to reconsider vaccine requirements for their National Guard contingents in a joint letter.

They argued — just as Stitt has done — that the National Guard is under the authority of each state’s governor unless activated by the president. This means, they said, that coronavirus vaccination requirements cannot be imposed by the defense secretary on their states’ National Guard members so long as the troops are not mobilized by the federal government.

Judge Friot’s ruling on Tuesday served as a de facto disagreement with that argument. It also rejected Stitt’s legal motion to suspend the Pentagon mandate in Oklahoma until the court could complete a fuller review of the military mandate.

“It is unmistakably clear that the intent of Congress … is that the Guard and its members will at all events be prepared, conformably to federal military standards, to be ordered into federal service … on little or no notice,” said Friot, who was nominated to his post by Republican President George W. Bush in 2001.

The Biden administration is “acting well within the authority granted by the Constitution and laws of the United States,” Friot added.

National Guard troops refusing vaccine will lose pay, Pentagon says, in warning shot to GOP-led states

Many states — sometimes successfully — have sought to convince courts to halt the Biden administration’s vaccine mandates, which have aimed to compel federal contractors, federal agencies, private businesses with 100 or more workers, and health-care facilities covered by Medicaid and Medicare to vaccinate their employees, minus those who have qualified for medical or religious exemptions.

Those states’ leaders, many of them Republicans, have said that the mandates infringe upon citizens’ rights to make their own medical decisions.

Stitt argued that the same logic applied to his state’s National Guard members. In a Nov. 2 letter to Austin, Stitt wrote that the “mandate violates the personal freedoms of many Oklahomans.” The defense secretary replied later that month: “The concerns raised in your letter do not negate the need for this important military readiness requirement.”

“All members of the Oklahoma Army and Air National Guard, regardless of duty status, must follow … COVID-19 vaccine compliance … requirements,” Austin wrote on Nov. 29. The mandate is needed to fight the coronavirus, which “jeopardizes our ability to meet mission requirements,” he said.

The deadlines for the military’s coronavirus vaccine requirement differ depending on branch and active-duty status. For the Air National Guard, the mandate took effect early this month but was extended to Dec. 31 last week. For the Army National Guard, the deadline is June.

Troops who do not meet the vaccine requirement and do not qualify for an exemption are subject to penalties that may include forfeiture of pay or forcible separation from the military."
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Bart wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:50 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:25 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:16 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:59 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:57 am
Perhaps in time new Covid vaccines will be developed that don't carry the same stigma for many that the current ones seem to and more people will voluntarily get vaccinated.
Wow -- this just dumb turned up to 11.

There's plenty of polls and surveys that have been done on this. The remaining MAGA/red mouth breathers say they will never ever ever take a vaccine. The blue refuse-niks at least say they might get the shot someday (but we know they never will). They are unreachable. So you just need to hit them with sticks (no shot no job; no shot, pay $200 bucks extra on your insurance).

Delta Airlines proved months ago that it is a complete waste of time to reason with these people or treat them nicely. Forget about the carrots.

Just hit them with a very small stick, and they will fold like a lawn chair. Kind of like smacking your dog on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
Get off your high horse just for once. It's obvious that vaccination plateaued months ago. Having people like you berating anti-vaxxers has worked really well hasn't it? Who's being dumb?
The people not taking the vaccines, dying by the hundreds of thousands. How do you not see this?

Reagan would have told these people to get lost months ago, cut all Federal Covid funding, and moved on.
+1….we are catering to deplorables.
Let er rip............
everybody wanted federal, but federal was never going to work, either. throwing money at the problem in reactionary mode for a virus that twists and turns.
like trying to take down barry sanders with the fridge.

that and shifting public perception and we'll chase our tail until we don't and only because barry retired. hopefully early.
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wgdsr wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:02 am
Bart wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:50 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:25 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:16 pm
tech37 wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:59 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:57 am
Perhaps in time new Covid vaccines will be developed that don't carry the same stigma for many that the current ones seem to and more people will voluntarily get vaccinated.
Wow -- this just dumb turned up to 11.

There's plenty of polls and surveys that have been done on this. The remaining MAGA/red mouth breathers say they will never ever ever take a vaccine. The blue refuse-niks at least say they might get the shot someday (but we know they never will). They are unreachable. So you just need to hit them with sticks (no shot no job; no shot, pay $200 bucks extra on your insurance).

Delta Airlines proved months ago that it is a complete waste of time to reason with these people or treat them nicely. Forget about the carrots.

Just hit them with a very small stick, and they will fold like a lawn chair. Kind of like smacking your dog on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.
Get off your high horse just for once. It's obvious that vaccination plateaued months ago. Having people like you berating anti-vaxxers has worked really well hasn't it? Who's being dumb?
The people not taking the vaccines, dying by the hundreds of thousands. How do you not see this?

Reagan would have told these people to get lost months ago, cut all Federal Covid funding, and moved on.
+1….we are catering to deplorables.
Let er rip............
everybody wanted federal, but federal was never going to work, either. throwing money at the problem in reactionary mode for a virus that twists and turns.
like trying to take down barry sanders with the fridge.

that and shifting public perception and we'll chase our tail until we don't and only because barry retired. hopefully early.
Federal government needed to stay out of it. Let these states fund vaccine and therapeutic research and invest in mask production. Shut down CDC. Let states do it themselves. Much better plan. Cuomo and DeSantis should have run point.
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we need a czar. everything always worked better when we had a czar. andrew or chris? i think they're both available.
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wgdsr wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:10 am we need a czar. everything always worked better when we had a czar. andrew or chris? i think they're both available.
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wgdsr wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:10 am we need a czar. everything always worked better when we had a czar. andrew or chris? i think they're both available.
I’m pretty busy. But I could find the time to be a czar.
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:lol: :lol: "What we thought"..... to hell with science all of a sudden: https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/stat ... 42114?s=20

Quite telling that now that they can no longer run and hide from the virus in their pretty little bubbles, do they begin to become rational. This must really chap the ass of those that worship 'the gospels according to fauci and the cdc'. :shock:
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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... 733746.php

This is a great story and super good news.

A couple of docs from Baylor have developed a low cost, scale-able Covid vaccine for use in the Third World using decades old existing technology that has substantial existing production capacity. Could be the Covid-ender. Since (as we've seen with Omicron) we don't really get out of this until the whole world is vaxed.

Baylor has given the technology away to high volume vax producers in India who should be able to scale up to billions of doses in the next several months. No patent protections. The Baylor vax just got EUA from India's FDA.

The Baylor docs couldn't get if funded as part of Operation Warp Speed, so they raised money privately to fund development. Including a $1 million donation from Tito's Vodka. I'll be having a few Tito's on NY Eve to thank them for that.
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ggait wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:47 am https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... 733746.php

This is a great story and super good news.

A couple of docs from Baylor have developed a low cost, scale-able Covid vaccine for use in the Third World using decades old existing technology that has substantial existing production capacity. Could be the Covid-ender. Since (as we've seen with Omicron) we don't really get out of this until the whole world is vaxed.

Baylor has given the technology away to high volume vax producers in India who should be able to scale up to billions of doses in the next several months. The Baylor vax just got EUA from India's FDA.

The Baylor docs couldn't get if funded as part of Operation Warp Speed, so they raised money privately to fund development. Including a $1 million donation from Tito's Vodka. I'll be having a few Tito's on NY Eve to thank them for that.
That’s good news. The more people vaccinated the better.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:40 am :lol: :lol: "What we thought"..... to hell with science all of a sudden: https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/stat ... 42114?s=20

Quite telling that now that they can no longer run and hide from the virus in their pretty little bubbles, do they begin to become rational. This must really chap the ass of those that worship 'the gospels according to fauci and the cdc'. :shock:
as tests aren't as readily available, maybe we can get apple to send out laptops to everyone. apple's killing it. a czar would do it.
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/29/omi ... ntist.html

It’s much safer for vaccinated to go about their business. Every man for himself from here on out.
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ggait wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:47 am https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/h ... 733746.php

This is a great story and super good news.

A couple of docs from Baylor have developed a low cost, scale-able Covid vaccine for use in the Third World using decades old existing technology that has substantial existing production capacity. Could be the Covid-ender. Since (as we've seen with Omicron) we don't really get out of this until the whole world is vaxed.

Baylor has given the technology away to high volume vax producers in India who should be able to scale up to billions of doses in the next several months. No patent protections. The Baylor vax just got EUA from India's FDA.

The Baylor docs couldn't get if funded as part of Operation Warp Speed, so they raised money privately to fund development. Including a $1 million donation from Tito's Vodka. I'll be having a few Tito's on NY Eve to thank them for that.
variants might say hold my beer for a bit longer, but that's very good news if executed (and everything else, can't seem to get full article).

may get some tito's.
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