Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:00 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:38 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:30 am
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:31 pm
Where's the reference to the Proud Boys ?
Protect who, from who ? I speculated nothing.
I pointed out one plausible alternative to your speculation.
In the USA report, all the committee weasels said was :
The report doesn't identify the recipient of the message or detail why protection would be needed.
Meadows sent the message the day before Trump spoke at a rally near the Capitol...
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:57 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:39 pm
And yes, there's emerging evidence that groups like the Proud Boys etc were told that the National Guard would be on their side when it went down. They came prepared for violence.
Link ? Source ? ...plz share this emerging evidence that the National Guard would side with the protesters.
Email from Meadows saying so.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 497829001/
You're right, this is just "emerging" and is certainly incomplete.
Testify Mark. Watcha hidin' '?
But yes, protect the "pro-Trump people"...Bannon and Stone were talking with the Proud Boys, that too is "emerging".
Testify Steve and Roger. Watcha hidin' '?
Again, you keep ignoring that I also said that I very much doubt that the NG were actually 'in on' any such plan to side with the Pro-Trump" protestors.
But I do think that the 'plan' was to have the Proud boys types clash with counter protestors, declare a state of emergency and martial law, call in the NG to enforce, and declare the election for Trump. Heck, there's a powerpoint circulated to that effect. Meadows, Reps and Senators, who else was 'working the plan'?
But that doesn't mean the NG was actually on board with any of that. But would they have followed orders?
I don't buy that Miller is 100% straight, but I doubt he was actually complicit, at least not consciously so...hope that's right.
Except the DoD (aka the Pentagon) was dead set against using the NG for crowd control, from SecDef Miller & Gen Milley on down.
Read the Army report. They questioned using the NG before all police forces were deployed, even as the Capitol was under siege.
Trump was briefed on the pre-planned minimal DC NG deployment by SecDef. Trump questioned it's adequacy. If he was planning martial law. he would have deployed more -- repeating what he did in June -- recall & deploy the entire DC NG, have the Old Guard on alert to deploy from Arlingtion, & preposition the 82nd Airborne right across the river at Ft Belvoir.
THAT is how to enforce martial law & stage an armed insurrection. Trump ordered none of that, but it was well within his powers, had recent precedent, & could have been used as an excuse to protect all of DC & Fed territory, including the Capitol.
Then again, there's this theory about deployment of the NG by DoD and a potential alternative explanation
https://www.justsecurity.org/79623/cris ... january-6/
Crisis of Command: The Pentagon, The President, and January 6
"One of the most vexing questions about Jan. 6 is why the National Guard took more than three hours to arrive at the Capitol after D.C. authorities and Capitol Police called for immediate assistance. The Pentagon’s restraint in allowing the Guard to get to the Capitol was not simply a reflection of officials’ misgivings about the deployment of military force during the summer 2020 protests, nor was it simply a concern about “optics” of having military personnel at the Capitol. Instead, evidence is mounting that the most senior defense officials did not want to send troops to the Capitol because they harbored concerns that President Donald Trump might utilize the forces’ presence in an attempt to hold onto power."
So in this version, Chris Miller is a hero. Whatever.
Miller was consistent, no matter his intent or motivation -- the DC NG was neither deployed nor on stand by, in sufficient numbers to impose martial law. Miller & McCarthy, in advance planning, offered the CPB & Mayor as many troops as they wanted. They could have, on their own volition or on Trump's orders, placed more NG troops on standby at Andrews or the Armory, as a precaution, to deal with potential violence between Trump supporters & counter protesters. There is no evidence that Trump ordered Miller to ready or deploy more NG troops than the CPB & Mayor requested. Trump could have ordered that & he had a valid excuse had he done so.
Here's why DoD's concerns about the "optics" were valid. What signal would by sent by having 10,000 NG troops on Capitol Grounds on Jan 6th, while 100,000 Trump supporters demonstrated to "stop the steal" ,while Congress was meeting to certify the election ? Might that have been portrayed as a Constitutional crisis ? Might that explain why Chris Miller did not want NG troops deployed east of 9th Ave NW ?
or is your boss starting to get concerned that everyone taking the 5th doesn't look so good - after all, it's what mobsters do.....what do you have to hide? 
Have you bothered to even take a gander at her approval ratings? A smart gal as you claim she is would not have such dismal approval ratings.
She has a low approval rating why??? Because the American people think she is sooooo smart?? It could be because the American people understand she is even dumber than they thought she was? You think the Dems will nominate her if Joe decides to go to the old folks home? You just said she is smart, why wouldn't the dems not want her as their candidate??? If your logic is sound, she would be the best candidate. It could be you are just trying to blow smoke up my ass. 