School Closings

[Essexfenwick]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

[MDlaxfan76]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

Whoa...where do you get the stat that 20% died of the Spanish flu of 1918?

Sure you didn't add a zero there?
https://www.biospace.com/article/the-un ... anish-flu/

"Florida model is working""??? Florida has the 9th worst % of population deaths in the 50 states of the United States and is way above the % of deaths in most of the developed world.

Just weird to see blatant disinformation on this forum.

We can debate appropriate policy choices, but let's keep medical disinformation in check, please.

The good news in this pandemic is that we have far better medical technology, and with the rapid vaccine development success, we really do, now, have a way to reduce serious infections and curb serious outcomes for most people...but many are choosing not to participate...and thankfully, it appears that there may be effective and relatively simple therapies on their way soon as well.

Lots to be thankful for.
But yeah, it's an awful pandemic.

[RedFromMI]

You are just redefining the nature of a pandemic to only the worst. It actually does fit any practical definition of a pandemic.

And your math is bogus - 1% of the worlds population at the time is the lower estimate of the death toll lower estimate of 17 million, and maybe 5.5% for the highest estimates.

And that is without the medical technology we have built as a world since that time.

And Florida is not necessarily a great example. Worse overall result than NY in number of cases which took the brunt of the initial pandemic. Likely in part because of the lax state policies of doing worse this winter than NY with the rise of the omicron variant.

[MDlaxfan76]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

What kind of "scientist" are you???

Correlation/causation seem to be mysterious concepts, if I understand your post correctly
Unless you were posting satirically?

BTW, migrants wanting to be in the US are not leaving better COVID situations for the US.

[OCanada]

Epidemiologists in all countrues medical centers label it a pandemic. Trying to change the criteria to argue it isn’t is typical of the assault on fact and truth that a key component of the international right wing strategy

800,000 dead is not a small number but it is a multiple of what it would have bern had the previous administration not interfered for political reasons. The number is also understated.

[Essexfenwick]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

What kind of "scientist" are you???

Correlation/causation seem to be mysterious concepts, if I understand your post correctly
Unless you were posting satirically?

BTW, migrants wanting to be in the US are not leaving better COVID situations for the US.

The government would protect its citizens in an actual pandemic.
Or maybe the CDC is so stupid that they aren’t aware that hordes of unvaccinated illegal immigrants spreading around the country is bad. We have no idea if they are vaccinated for anything.. TB, Measles, typhoid, malaria, hepatitis B, Diphtheria, polio, chicken pox, hepatitis A, HPV, Meningitis, Tetanus….

It’s either that they don’t really think Covid is very dangerous to United States citizens or they are so stupid that they are unaware of the border issue. Either way..as a scientist I have become aware that information coming from the cdc is not reliable.

[Essexfenwick]

Epidemiologists in all countrues medical centers label it a pandemic. Trying to change the criteria to argue it isn’t is typical of the assault on fact and truth that a key component of the international right wing strategy

800,000 dead is not a small number but it is a multiple of what it would have bern had the previous administration not interfered for political reasons. The number is also understated.

As a scientist.. more dead under Biden armed with a “vaccine” raises very uncomfortable obvious questions that nobody seems to want to be embarrassed by.

[Bart]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

What kind of "scientist" are you???

Correlation/causation seem to be mysterious concepts, if I understand your post correctly
Unless you were posting satirically?

BTW, migrants wanting to be in the US are not leaving better COVID situations for the US.

The government would protect its citizens in an actual pandemic.
Or maybe the CDC is so stupid that they aren’t aware that hordes of unvaccinated illegal immigrants spreading around the country is bad. We have no idea if they are vaccinated for anything.. TB, Measles, typhoid, malaria, hepatitis B, Diphtheria, polio, chicken pox, hepatitis A, HPV, Meningitis, Tetanus….

It’s either that they don’t really think Covid is very dangerous to United States citizens or they are so stupid that they are unaware of the border issue. Either way..as a scientist I have become aware that information coming from the cdc is not reliable.

The classical definition of pandemic has nothing to do with immunity, virology or severity of disease. This was argued about quite a bit during the H1N1 outbreak of 2009.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3127276/

[HopFan16]

Epidemiologists in all countrues medical centers label it a pandemic. Trying to change the criteria to argue it isn’t is typical of the assault on fact and truth that a key component of the international right wing strategy

800,000 dead is not a small number but it is a multiple of what it would have bern had the previous administration not interfered for political reasons. The number is also understated.

As a scientist.. more dead under Biden armed with a “vaccine” raises very uncomfortable obvious questions that nobody seems to want to be embarrassed by.

https://twitter.com/maolesen/status/1471188829302317056

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... death-rate

Most deaths are occurring in pro-Trump counties, and the vast majority of them are among unvaccinated individuals.

[Essexfenwick]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

What kind of "scientist" are you???

Correlation/causation seem to be mysterious concepts, if I understand your post correctly
Unless you were posting satirically?

BTW, migrants wanting to be in the US are not leaving better COVID situations for the US.

The government would protect its citizens in an actual pandemic.
Or maybe the CDC is so stupid that they aren’t aware that hordes of unvaccinated illegal immigrants spreading around the country is bad. We have no idea if they are vaccinated for anything.. TB, Measles, typhoid, malaria, hepatitis B, Diphtheria, polio, chicken pox, hepatitis A, HPV, Meningitis, Tetanus….

It’s either that they don’t really think Covid is very dangerous to United States citizens or they are so stupid that they are unaware of the border issue. Either way..as a scientist I have become aware that information coming from the cdc is not reliable.

The classical definition of pandemic has nothing to do with immunity, virology or severity of disease. This was argued about quite a bit during the H1N1 outbreak of 2009.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3127276/

So now the organizations that don’t even know infected hordes crossing the border and spreading out into the country is bad are the ones deciding definitions?? Too funny!!!

[Essexfenwick]

Epidemiologists in all countrues medical centers label it a pandemic. Trying to change the criteria to argue it isn’t is typical of the assault on fact and truth that a key component of the international right wing strategy

800,000 dead is not a small number but it is a multiple of what it would have bern had the previous administration not interfered for political reasons. The number is also understated.

As a scientist.. more dead under Biden armed with a “vaccine” raises very uncomfortable obvious questions that nobody seems to want to be embarrassed by.

https://twitter.com/maolesen/status/1471188829302317056

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... death-rate

Most deaths are occurring in pro-Trump counties, and the vast majority of them are among unvaccinated individuals.

More information provided by organizations unaware that hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading into the country is really bad. Not reliable in the least. May be true… May not be true… but their stupidity has been 100 percent verified.

[Bart]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

What kind of "scientist" are you???

Correlation/causation seem to be mysterious concepts, if I understand your post correctly
Unless you were posting satirically?

BTW, migrants wanting to be in the US are not leaving better COVID situations for the US.

The government would protect its citizens in an actual pandemic.
Or maybe the CDC is so stupid that they aren’t aware that hordes of unvaccinated illegal immigrants spreading around the country is bad. We have no idea if they are vaccinated for anything.. TB, Measles, typhoid, malaria, hepatitis B, Diphtheria, polio, chicken pox, hepatitis A, HPV, Meningitis, Tetanus….

It’s either that they don’t really think Covid is very dangerous to United States citizens or they are so stupid that they are unaware of the border issue. Either way..as a scientist I have become aware that information coming from the cdc is not reliable.

The classical definition of pandemic has nothing to do with immunity, virology or severity of disease. This was argued about quite a bit during the H1N1 outbreak of 2009.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3127276/

So now the organizations that don’t even know infected hordes crossing the border and spreading out into the country is bad are the ones deciding definitions?? Too funny!!!

The guy who wrote the article is an epidemiologist from Australia. Did not know they had hordes crossing their borders in 2011. Must have been merpeople.

I'd think that as a scientist.......you would have had some primary literature to support your position for others to read and analyze. I guess not.

[Essexfenwick]

Really, The Spanish flu of 1918 was a real pandemic with no vaccines. One Third of the world contracted it and 20% of the worlds population died. The average age of death in the US from Covid is 76 and those ppl have 2-4 co morbidities. Funny how life expectancy is the same age. Lets deal with those people instead of killing all of us with mandates and lockdowns! We are not dealing with risk well at all and it is a way of total control.

The Florida model is working but you wouldn't know that since it doesn't follow the narrative and the MSM won't cover it. Get ready for more lockdowns and school closures, virtual classes and cancelled games………..how is that saving lives. Deaths from mental health and additional set back in learning is the real killer.

The best way to tell it’s not a pandemic is the complete lack of concern of hordes of unvaccinated people flooding the border and spreading throughout the country. As a scientist that tells me that nobody is truly concerned about Covid. It’s all hype with no punch.

What kind of "scientist" are you???

Correlation/causation seem to be mysterious concepts, if I understand your post correctly
Unless you were posting satirically?

BTW, migrants wanting to be in the US are not leaving better COVID situations for the US.

The government would protect its citizens in an actual pandemic.
Or maybe the CDC is so stupid that they aren’t aware that hordes of unvaccinated illegal immigrants spreading around the country is bad. We have no idea if they are vaccinated for anything.. TB, Measles, typhoid, malaria, hepatitis B, Diphtheria, polio, chicken pox, hepatitis A, HPV, Meningitis, Tetanus….

It’s either that they don’t really think Covid is very dangerous to United States citizens or they are so stupid that they are unaware of the border issue. Either way..as a scientist I have become aware that information coming from the cdc is not reliable.

The classical definition of pandemic has nothing to do with immunity, virology or severity of disease. This was argued about quite a bit during the H1N1 outbreak of 2009.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3127276/

So now the organizations that don’t even know infected hordes crossing the border and spreading out into the country is bad are the ones deciding definitions?? Too funny!!!

The guy who wrote the article is an epidemiologist from Australia. Did not know they had hordes crossing their borders in 2011. Must have been merpeople.

I'd think that as a scientist.......you would have had some primary literature to support your position for others to read and analyze. I guess not.

It’s corrupted by politics. Not reliable

It better to go by what you see around you at this point.

Not one person in my extended family, friends, work colleagues has even had to go to the hospital for Covid. I’ve had one person die of a heart attack and another with a stroke post vaccination.

So my antennae are up.

[MDlaxfan76]

I don't know who Essex is but he clearly ain't a scientist.

For that matter, not sure he graduated from college, as it would be an insult to Essex Community College grads to associate him with that institution.

I suggest we ignore his disinformation diatribes...reminds me of Petey.

[Laxman23]

If not one person in your extended circle has not even had to go to the hospital for Covid then you must live in a pocket where the incidence of Covid is very low or you have an incredibly small circle(no attack intended).
An earlier poster seemed to criticize Biden for increased deaths despite having the vaccine. I can promise you that without the vaccines, boosters and preventative measures of social distancing, masks, etc the death toll would be dramatically higher.
When people discuss numbers of deaths or cases of hospitalized Covid they need to discuss whether that individual is boosted, vaccinated or not. Greater than 95% of those hospitalized with Covid in my hospital( I am a physician) are unvaccinated. And the small minority that are vaccinated, boosted and hospitalized are invariably elderly or with major medical commorbidities.
I am comfortable going indoors with a vaccine, boosted and perhaps masked. I know if I get Covid I will have a minor flu like experience or even be asymptomatic. My only fear is that if I am tested I will only suffer by having to stop travel, work, etc. and the only people I will really potentially harm are those unvaccinated. And it is the unvaccinated that are prolonging the Covid mutations. And the regular medical establishment is losing patience with these individuals. And wait until you or your loved ones are denied emergency lifesaving medical treatment because ICUs are filled with unvaccinated patients who did not want to be told that getting a vaccine was the prudent thing to do. The general population will start losing patience with the unvaccinated and there will be ugly incidents coming soon

[Essexfenwick]

I don't know who Essex is but he clearly ain't a scientist.

For that matter, not sure he graduated from college, as it would be an insult to Essex Community College grads to associate him with that institution.

I suggest we ignore his disinformation diatribes...reminds me of Petey.

You’re the one with a diatribe. I was very reasoned, calm and observant of obvious facts. The obvious is triggering sometimes which is human nature.

[Essexfenwick]

If not one person in your extended circle has not even had to go to the hospital for Covid then you must live in a pocket where the incidence of Covid is very low or you have an incredibly small circle(no attack intended).
An earlier poster seemed to criticize Biden for increased deaths despite having the vaccine. I can promise you that without the vaccines, boosters and preventative measures of social distancing, masks, etc the death toll would be dramatically higher.
When people discuss numbers of deaths or cases of hospitalized Covid they need to discuss whether that individual is boosted, vaccinated or not. Greater than 95% of those hospitalized with Covid in my hospital( I am a physician) are unvaccinated. And the small minority that are vaccinated, boosted and hospitalized are invariably elderly or with major medical commorbidities.
I am comfortable going indoors with a vaccine, boosted and perhaps masked. I know if I get Covid I will have a minor flu like experience or even be asymptomatic. My only fear is that if I am tested I will only suffer by having to stop travel, work, etc. and the only people I will really potentially harm are those unvaccinated. And it is the unvaccinated that are prolonging the Covid mutations. And the regular medical establishment is losing patience with these individuals. And wait until you or your loved ones are denied emergency lifesaving medical treatment because ICUs are filled with unvaccinated patients who did not want to be told that getting a vaccine was the prudent thing to do. The general population will start losing patience with the unvaccinated and there will be ugly incidents coming soon

You’re probably wrong.

The Amish did nothing. They did not change one thing. They did not suffer excess deaths and now have herd immunity.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.realclea ... 0.amp.html

[Essexfenwick]

If not one person in your extended circle has not even had to go to the hospital for Covid then you must live in a pocket where the incidence of Covid is very low or you have an incredibly small circle(no attack intended).
An earlier poster seemed to criticize Biden for increased deaths despite having the vaccine. I can promise you that without the vaccines, boosters and preventative measures of social distancing, masks, etc the death toll would be dramatically higher.
When people discuss numbers of deaths or cases of hospitalized Covid they need to discuss whether that individual is boosted, vaccinated or not. Greater than 95% of those hospitalized with Covid in my hospital( I am a physician) are unvaccinated. And the small minority that are vaccinated, boosted and hospitalized are invariably elderly or with major medical commorbidities.
I am comfortable going indoors with a vaccine, boosted and perhaps masked. I know if I get Covid I will have a minor flu like experience or even be asymptomatic. My only fear is that if I am tested I will only suffer by having to stop travel, work, etc. and the only people I will really potentially harm are those unvaccinated. And it is the unvaccinated that are prolonging the Covid mutations. And the regular medical establishment is losing patience with these individuals. And wait until you or your loved ones are denied emergency lifesaving medical treatment because ICUs are filled with unvaccinated patients who did not want to be told that getting a vaccine was the prudent thing to do. The general population will start losing patience with the unvaccinated and there will be ugly incidents coming soon

Funny how nobody complains when beds are taken by illegal immigrants. Not buying it.

The Amish achieved herd immunity doing nothing and did not have excess deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.realclea ... 0.amp.html

[MDlaxfan76]

I don't know who Essex is but he clearly ain't a scientist.

For that matter, not sure he graduated from college, as it would be an insult to Essex Community College grads to associate him with that institution.

I suggest we ignore his disinformation diatribes...reminds me of Petey.

You’re the one with a diatribe. I was very reasoned, calm and observant of obvious facts. The obvious is triggering sometimes which is human nature.

[tech37]

If not one person in your extended circle has not even had to go to the hospital for Covid then you must live in a pocket where the incidence of Covid is very low or you have an incredibly small circle(no attack intended).
An earlier poster seemed to criticize Biden for increased deaths despite having the vaccine. I can promise you that without the vaccines, boosters and preventative measures of social distancing, masks, etc the death toll would be dramatically higher.
When people discuss numbers of deaths or cases of hospitalized Covid they need to discuss whether that individual is boosted, vaccinated or not. Greater than 95% of those hospitalized with Covid in my hospital( I am a physician) are unvaccinated. And the small minority that are vaccinated, boosted and hospitalized are invariably elderly or with major medical commorbidities.
I am comfortable going indoors with a vaccine, boosted and perhaps masked. I know if I get Covid I will have a minor flu like experience or even be asymptomatic. My only fear is that if I am tested I will only suffer by having to stop travel, work, etc. and the only people I will really potentially harm are those unvaccinated. And it is the unvaccinated that are prolonging the Covid mutations. And the regular medical establishment is losing patience with these individuals. And wait until you or your loved ones are denied emergency lifesaving medical treatment because ICUs are filled with unvaccinated patients who did not want to be told that getting a vaccine was the prudent thing to do. The general population will start losing patience with the unvaccinated and there will be ugly incidents coming soon

The "regular medical establishment" has failed everyone by not having therapeutics available to treat positive cases. Months ago, these should have been an available tool, along with vaccines, to fight this virus. Now with Omicron, there will be many more breakthrough cases and still no therapeutics. Go home, isolate, and hope for the best. If you're lucky, you'll qualify for monoclonal ab treatment. Total bullsh!t.