Ivy League 2022
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Not as bad at that one, but progressively snowier as the game went on: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... s-13/30992
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I don’t believe there was decent weather that season until there was one week left.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:44 pm Not as bad at that one, but progressively snowier as the game went on: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... s-13/30992
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A lot of cold days for sure...worse for the fans, at least the players move around!Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:59 pmI don’t believe there was decent weather that season until there was one week left.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:44 pm Not as bad at that one, but progressively snowier as the game went on: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... s-13/30992
That day, when my wife told me he was up throwing on the far side of the field from the stands, warming up, late in the 3rd Q down 12-10, I couldn't see to tell for sure in all the snow! Saw something that looked like a goalie stick... Only got snowier from there.
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Big Covid outbreak at Cornell, mostly Omicron cases among the vaccinated. This does not augur well for college athletics. Will the Ivies shut MLAX down again?
https://ithacavoice.com/2021/12/cornell ... id-deaths/
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i suspect that the future decisions on the part of the Ivies and most schools in general will be made with the notion that the incidence of Covid and its' permutations will be with us in an ongoing fashion for quite some time, and will probably vary from school to school and region to region. I doubt the Ivies will want to define themselves as strictly on-line educational institutions for the indefinite future as I am pretty certain it would be their death knell if other institutions find ways to offer something more substantial (including athletics). On the other hand an outbreak such as occurring at Cornell clearly bears paying attention to. The balance of offering as normal a breadth of academic and athletic activity as possible without jeopardizing the health of everyone involved is going to be something that is likely to need to be addressed on a case by case basis as outbreaks occur at every school. How soon conditions at Cornell normalize, and whether or not there are outbreaks at other schools with which Cornell has been associated with either culturally or athletically will probably go a long way in determining what course of action the Ivies end up taking.
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Ivies facing a "death knell?" Are you serious?
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Gobigred wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:43 am Ivies facing a "death knell?" Are you serious?
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How many of the kids ended up in the hospital? . My kids school not even testing anymore. My sister who is 65 is vaccinated and had antibodies just got covid she said it felt more like a common cold. I am not sure that you will see it on CNN but Florida and Texas are doing very well, California not so good. we all need to learn to live with Covid. Ivies are the only ones talking or worried about another shut down.
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lorin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:03 amPretty sure more people died from covid in Texas & Florida in 2021 than any other place in the USA. Doing better now. I believe the Ivy response so far has been fine. Princeton going remote for finals in abundance of caution. Unless hospitals start filling up again, I don’t expect major disruptions in January/FebruaryGobigred wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:43 am Ivies facing a "death knell?" Are you serious?
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How many of the kids ended up in the hospital? . My kids school not even testing anymore. My sister who is 65 is vaccinated and had antibodies just got covid she said it felt more like a common cold. I am not sure that you will see it on CNN but Florida and Texas are doing very well, California not so good. we all need to learn to live with Covid. Ivies are the only ones talking or worried about another shut down.
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Exactly right. Florida and Texas went through brutal periods just a couple of months ago. Among worst hit in past 12 months of Covid, among worst with Covid to date. Northeast going through bad times now, mostly among unvaccinated and unboosted.
I'd expect continued pressure on making sure students and employees have not only been vaccinated, but also boosted. We also are close to release of a therapeutic pill that can add another layer for those most at risk, if infected.
The Ivies, IMO to their credit, have been concerned about their role in community spread, not just their on campus impact. But that was primarily pre-vaccine. At this point, responsibility shifts pretty heavily to those choosing not to be vaccinated.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle this surge.
I'd expect continued pressure on making sure students and employees have not only been vaccinated, but also boosted. We also are close to release of a therapeutic pill that can add another layer for those most at risk, if infected.
The Ivies, IMO to their credit, have been concerned about their role in community spread, not just their on campus impact. But that was primarily pre-vaccine. At this point, responsibility shifts pretty heavily to those choosing not to be vaccinated.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle this surge.
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I don't believe any numbers from Florida and Texas. Florida fired the woman who posted accurate numbers.
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Cornell and Midd moving to remote learning/testing because of "outbreaks" in fully-vaccinated populations is both frustrating and disappointing. Schools that pull shenanigans like this in the spring semester will trigger another wave of gap years. That won't even scratch endowment numbers, but it will play hell with annual budgets. I'm hopeful that a widely-available and effective therapeutic will finally ease the overwhelming fear gripping these administrations.
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And yet still ranked 9th in US in % of pop dead from Covid...
And, in the midst of this, hired an antivaxxer, anti-masker for Secretary of Health...
But they're not in the Ivy League...
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These moves may be temporary...I'd be spooked too by the sudden explosion of cases.smoova wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:54 am Cornell and Midd moving to remote learning/testing because of "outbreaks" in fully-vaccinated populations is both frustrating and disappointing. Schools that pull shenanigans like this in the spring semester will trigger another wave of gap years. That won't even scratch endowment numbers, but it will play hell with annual budgets. I'm hopeful that a widely-available and effective therapeutic will finally ease the overwhelming fear gripping these administrations.
But if students and staff who have been vaccinated and boosted aren't actually needing hospitalization, there's that course.
Insist on boosters.
And I agree, the therapeutic pill regimen should provide another relief valve.
Covid is likely to be around, so the issue should become keeping folks from needing to be hospitalized.
At some point, the schools should be able to not feel responsible for those in the broader community choosing not to be vaccinated (and the handful who simply can't be vaccinated will have the pill as a backstop).
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I guess with the comments I am seeing why its so easy for Ivy schools to shut down sports, they will get no push back from parents.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:03 amAnd yet still ranked 9th in US in % of pop dead from Covid...
And, in the midst of this, hired an antivaxxer, anti-masker for Secretary of Health...
But they're not in the Ivy League...
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To be clear, both of these "explosions" were ~2% of populations that are >95%-vaccinated. Reactions like this only undermine the vaccination effort ... just consider the narratives this provides regarding vaccine necessity, efficacy, etc.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:10 amThese moves may be temporary...I'd be spooked too by the sudden explosion of cases.smoova wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:54 am Cornell and Midd moving to remote learning/testing because of "outbreaks" in fully-vaccinated populations is both frustrating and disappointing. Schools that pull shenanigans like this in the spring semester will trigger another wave of gap years. That won't even scratch endowment numbers, but it will play hell with annual budgets. I'm hopeful that a widely-available and effective therapeutic will finally ease the overwhelming fear gripping these administrations.
But if students and staff who have been vaccinated and boosted aren't actually needing hospitalization, there's that course.
Insist on boosters.
And I agree, the therapeutic pill regimen should provide another relief valve.
Covid is likely to be around, so the issue should become keeping folks from needing to be hospitalized.
At some point, the schools should be able to not feel responsible for those in the broader community choosing not to be vaccinated (and the handful who simply can't be vaccinated will have the pill as a backstop).
Regardless, you are right that, without a sterilizing vaccine, this insanity will continue until faculty/administrators stop obsessing about "cases" in fully-vaccinated populations.
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The demand for degrees from these schools is so high that the only push-back will come in the form of elective gap-years ... and I expect schools to tighten/remove that option in the very near future.
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That's fair.smoova wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:27 amTo be clear, both of these "explosions" were ~2% of populations that are >95%-vaccinated. Reactions like this only undermine the vaccination effort ... just consider the narratives this provides regarding vaccine necessity, efficacy, etc.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:10 amThese moves may be temporary...I'd be spooked too by the sudden explosion of cases.smoova wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:54 am Cornell and Midd moving to remote learning/testing because of "outbreaks" in fully-vaccinated populations is both frustrating and disappointing. Schools that pull shenanigans like this in the spring semester will trigger another wave of gap years. That won't even scratch endowment numbers, but it will play hell with annual budgets. I'm hopeful that a widely-available and effective therapeutic will finally ease the overwhelming fear gripping these administrations.
But if students and staff who have been vaccinated and boosted aren't actually needing hospitalization, there's that course.
Insist on boosters.
And I agree, the therapeutic pill regimen should provide another relief valve.
Covid is likely to be around, so the issue should become keeping folks from needing to be hospitalized.
At some point, the schools should be able to not feel responsible for those in the broader community choosing not to be vaccinated (and the handful who simply can't be vaccinated will have the pill as a backstop).
Regardless, you are right that, without a sterilizing vaccine, this insanity will continue until faculty/administrators stop obsessing about "cases" in fully-vaccinated populations.
But that's still a big chunk, suddenly, with an incredibly fast spreading virus. Despite the earlier "vaccination" (most likely over 6 months).
We agree that 'cases' can be misleading, though.
A little analysis of whether the 'cases' were among those 1) unvaccinated, 2) vaccinated but not boosted, or 3) boosted may inform the policy response this winter and spring...likewise, and much more importantly, would be this breakdown of any actually needing hospitalization.
If other reporting holds up, I think the data will say there are very few if any breakthrough cases among boosted and extremely few with serious complications if boosted.
Not pure sterilization, but big difference in risk.
The pill will add another layer of policy response, rapid access to health services for the regimen if needed.
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Too bad with the politicization of the vaccine and it’s distribution. Give Trump credit for helping to ease the restrictions regarding vaccine preparation but hold him at least partially responsible for ineffective preparation for distribution. It would be tremendous if representatives of both parties could cooperatively provide a public service announcement to encourage vaccination, and boosters. Include some athletes, actors, governors, generals etc.
Getting Covid does give you some natural immunity but that is enhanced by both vaccination and boosters. You can get co-vid despite boosters, vaccination and masks but when you do you have a much less serious infection and are often sent home from the hospital. Get Covid without vaccines etc and you have a much higher risk of severe disease or even death. In my small New England hospital my anesthesiologist friend intubated two unvaccinated patients between 12/20-8/21. In September and October she intubated 6 all unvaccinated all died.
In our 160 bed hospital 45 are admitted with Covid and 95% of those are unvaccinated. We stopped elective surgery and converted our recovery room to an ICU for yes unvaccinated Covid patients on respirators. Several patients have not been able to get surgery and one died of sepsis from a urine infection while awaiting surgery on the kidneys that was held up due to Covid
“Clutter” which is interfering with regular emergency treatment of noncovid problems. My friend says Covid vaccine can cause heart pericarditis which is a rare complication of the vaccine. What he ignores is the fact that the pericarditis rate is 13 times higher if you get Covid.
My doctor colleagues are starting to lose their patience with the unvaccinated who are prolonging the battle against Covid. We are using terms like natural selection as justifying those who selectively embrace news, stories and peripheral medicine resources.
It is frustrating to practice medicine while people are ignoring science and embracing political and ideological falsehoods and nonsense.
Regarding the IVY league, accept that Covid will be an issue, vaccinate and boost all, wear masks indoors but do not shut down classes or athletics
Getting Covid does give you some natural immunity but that is enhanced by both vaccination and boosters. You can get co-vid despite boosters, vaccination and masks but when you do you have a much less serious infection and are often sent home from the hospital. Get Covid without vaccines etc and you have a much higher risk of severe disease or even death. In my small New England hospital my anesthesiologist friend intubated two unvaccinated patients between 12/20-8/21. In September and October she intubated 6 all unvaccinated all died.
In our 160 bed hospital 45 are admitted with Covid and 95% of those are unvaccinated. We stopped elective surgery and converted our recovery room to an ICU for yes unvaccinated Covid patients on respirators. Several patients have not been able to get surgery and one died of sepsis from a urine infection while awaiting surgery on the kidneys that was held up due to Covid
“Clutter” which is interfering with regular emergency treatment of noncovid problems. My friend says Covid vaccine can cause heart pericarditis which is a rare complication of the vaccine. What he ignores is the fact that the pericarditis rate is 13 times higher if you get Covid.
My doctor colleagues are starting to lose their patience with the unvaccinated who are prolonging the battle against Covid. We are using terms like natural selection as justifying those who selectively embrace news, stories and peripheral medicine resources.
It is frustrating to practice medicine while people are ignoring science and embracing political and ideological falsehoods and nonsense.
Regarding the IVY league, accept that Covid will be an issue, vaccinate and boost all, wear masks indoors but do not shut down classes or athletics
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Going to remote for finals is low hanging fruit. Better to be precautions and take in more information. The initial view is that this new variant should be dangerous but it’s a little early. 30 days will provide more clarity. I see some NBA games have been cancelled. Not where we were a year ago, but can’t just ignore the spread. A high level of booster shots will reduce the risk even further. Those students sit in front of teachers. My wife was exposed by an unvaccinated student and his girlfriend a couple of weeks ago. She’s fine but the population at risk is beyond the students.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:59 amThat's fair.smoova wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:27 amTo be clear, both of these "explosions" were ~2% of populations that are >95%-vaccinated. Reactions like this only undermine the vaccination effort ... just consider the narratives this provides regarding vaccine necessity, efficacy, etc.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:10 amThese moves may be temporary...I'd be spooked too by the sudden explosion of cases.smoova wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:54 am Cornell and Midd moving to remote learning/testing because of "outbreaks" in fully-vaccinated populations is both frustrating and disappointing. Schools that pull shenanigans like this in the spring semester will trigger another wave of gap years. That won't even scratch endowment numbers, but it will play hell with annual budgets. I'm hopeful that a widely-available and effective therapeutic will finally ease the overwhelming fear gripping these administrations.
But if students and staff who have been vaccinated and boosted aren't actually needing hospitalization, there's that course.
Insist on boosters.
And I agree, the therapeutic pill regimen should provide another relief valve.
Covid is likely to be around, so the issue should become keeping folks from needing to be hospitalized.
At some point, the schools should be able to not feel responsible for those in the broader community choosing not to be vaccinated (and the handful who simply can't be vaccinated will have the pill as a backstop).
Regardless, you are right that, without a sterilizing vaccine, this insanity will continue until faculty/administrators stop obsessing about "cases" in fully-vaccinated populations.
But that's still a big chunk, suddenly, with an incredibly fast spreading virus. Despite the earlier "vaccination" (most likely over 6 months).
We agree that 'cases' can be misleading, though.
A little analysis of whether the 'cases' were among those 1) unvaccinated, 2) vaccinated but not boosted, or 3) boosted may inform the policy response this winter and spring...likewise, and much more importantly, would be this breakdown of any actually needing hospitalization.
If other reporting holds up, I think the data will say there are very few if any breakthrough cases among boosted and extremely few with serious complications if boosted.
Not pure sterilization, but big difference in risk.
The pill will add another layer of policy response, rapid access to health services for the regimen if needed.
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It’s actually crazy in 2021 but that is the power of mass media communication which many will say “mass media can’t tell me what to think”….Bearfan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:28 pm Too bad with the politicization of the vaccine and it’s distribution. Give Trump credit for helping to ease the restrictions regarding vaccine preparation but hold him at least partially responsible for ineffective preparation for distribution. It would be tremendous if representatives of both parties could cooperatively provide a public service announcement to encourage vaccination, and boosters. Include some athletes, actors, governors, generals etc.
Getting Covid does give you some natural immunity but that is enhanced by both vaccination and boosters. You can get co-vid despite boosters, vaccination and masks but when you do you have a much less serious infection and are often sent home from the hospital. Get Covid without vaccines etc and you have a much higher risk of severe disease or even death. In my small New England hospital my anesthesiologist friend intubated two unvaccinated patients between 12/20-8/21. In September and October she intubated 6 all unvaccinated all died.
In our 160 bed hospital 45 are admitted with Covid and 95% of those are unvaccinated. We stopped elective surgery and converted our recovery room to an ICU for yes unvaccinated Covid patients on respirators. Several patients have not been able to get surgery and one died of sepsis from a urine infection while awaiting surgery on the kidneys that was held up due to Covid
“Clutter” which is interfering with regular emergency treatment of noncovid problems. My friend says Covid vaccine can cause heart pericarditis which is a rare complication of the vaccine. What he ignores is the fact that the pericarditis rate is 13 times higher if you get Covid.
My doctor colleagues are starting to lose their patience with the unvaccinated who are prolonging the battle against Covid. We are using terms like natural selection as justifying those who selectively embrace news, stories and peripheral medicine resources.
It is frustrating to practice medicine while people are ignoring science and embracing political and ideological falsehoods and nonsense.
Regarding the IVY league, accept that Covid will be an issue, vaccinate and boost all, wear masks indoors but do not shut down classes or athletics
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