"I'm not sure Biden's warnings will be enough, but it certainly sounds much more measured than if he and his Admin was actually threatening to go to war."MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:58 pmhmmm, let's see, who on the left is saying we should go to war with Russia over Ukraine?a fan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:37 pmYou have to admit that it's full on bananas that the American left and the American right has completely swapped places in less than four years when it comes to foreign entanglements.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:31 pm And finally, we don't hold other nation-states' coats; we have a multilateral agreement with, and deep and important bilateral ties with Germany. The point of that Agreement is, in part, economies of scale and geography and power. But your retreat from leadership is, as always, noted.
.....ever since Vietnam, the American left's position is: "why are we fighting wars overseas? This isn't our problem. Let someone else deal with it"
Since Trump arrived, this is now the position of the American right.
Since Trump arrived, the America middle-left is upset that we're not taking the lead in every overseas conflict. (the far left still has no interest)
It's a bit bizarre, don't you think?
Despite our commitments made when we persuaded them to give up all their nukes after the fall of the Soviet Union and they became an independent country?
I just haven't heard that from the left, though I suppose I might not be in the right media feeds to have heard it.
Seems to me that Ukraine has been provided much more military capacity over the past 7-8 years such that they can fight for themselves... and what the current Administration appears to be doing is signaling that we will do economic sanctions, not send troops or bombing runs, if Russia opens fire...maybe Biden threatened that as well, but that's not what I heard.
I'm not sure Biden's warnings will be enough, but it certainly sounds much more measured than if he and his Admin was actually threatening to go to war.
Or did I miss something?
I do agree that it's very weird that the right has adopted this very passive, or worse, appeasing attitude towards Russia. Of course, if one looks at the cover of NewsMax, it's pretty clear that what is being messaged on the hard right is affinity for white, nationalist, fascist style authoritarianism, wherever in the world. It's not as if America hasn't seen this same proclivity in the past, but it just wasn't so associated with the GOP.
Biden is not in a position to threaten anyone. The Ukraine is looking much more like Poland just before Hitler invaded. Whatever Putin decides to do Joe Biden will to nothing. The Ukraine was a part of the old Soviet Union, Putin just wants it back in the fold. The time is ripe, Biden will look the other way. What else can he do other than a stern warning and some UN sanctions? I do wonder what Vlad will do with all that state of the art US equipment that will fall in his lap once he steamrolls Ukraine. We have given them some state of the art equipment that the Russians will very much appreciate coming in possession of.