Sensible Gun Safety

[youthathletics]

Isnt she saying that about being on the phone during class?

So effing what. Certainly, you are not trying to defend the action of these two people and their kid which resulted in the death for four people and injury to 8 others. Currently, with less than 30 minutes to go before arraignment, they are nowhere to be found and a search is underway by local police, U.S Marshals and FBI. Highly unlikely, the arraignment was not pre-negotiated with their legal counsel.

To say nothing, that during the meeting at school shortly before the shooting started that neither the parents nor the schools folks inspected his backpack which contained the fully loaded weapon and many, many rounds of ammunition. Many questions for the school administrators as well.

I'm all for arguing about just anything here but using this tragedy as a method to argue some point seems a bit beyond the pale IMHO.

Care to explain? I'll promise to listen.

Of course I am not defending them, at all, Kismet. I was merely suggesting that her reply sounded like it is being taken out of context as it relates to the tragedy. And up to that point, as far as we know, no one thought the kid was going off the deep end. Merely searching for ammunition should not be cause for an attempted killing spree, especially when they have a new gun a few days prior...or maybe it should?

It's one of the reasons why I never had a gun in the house when my kids were growing up....you just never effing know and can not control who comes and goes when not at home. A tragedy of events, no doubt.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Probably out running errands..

https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-man ... arents.amp

I wonder if they will surface in Mar-a-Lago?

[ardilla secreta]

Probably out running errands..

https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-man ... arents.amp

I wonder if they will surface in Mar-a-Lago?

…at the gun shoppe.

Not showing up for arranged surrender then not responding to attorneys calls seems like a bad idea that could lead to a denial of bail. Maybe Ricky Schroder and Mike Lindell can lend assistance.

[Kismet]

Isnt she saying that about being on the phone during class?

So effing what. Certainly, you are not trying to defend the action of these two people and their kid which resulted in the death for four people and injury to 8 others. Currently, with less than 30 minutes to go before arraignment, they are nowhere to be found and a search is underway by local police, U.S Marshals and FBI. Highly unlikely, the arraignment was not pre-negotiated with their legal counsel.

To say nothing, that during the meeting at school shortly before the shooting started that neither the parents nor the schools folks inspected his backpack which contained the fully loaded weapon and many, many rounds of ammunition. Many questions for the school administrators as well.

I'm all for arguing about just anything here but using this tragedy as a method to argue some point seems a bit beyond the pale IMHO.

Care to explain? I'll promise to listen.

Of course I am not defending them, at all, Kismet. I was merely suggesting that her reply sounded like it is being taken out of context as it relates to the tragedy. And up to that point, as far as we know, no one thought the kid was going off the deep end. Merely searching for ammunition should not be cause for an attempted killing spree, especially when they have a new gun a few days prior...or maybe it should?

It's one of the reasons why I never had a gun in the house when my kids were growing up....you just never effing know and can not control who comes and goes when not at home. A tragedy of events, no doubt.

Yes, quite correct. This latest tall tale of fleeing because of their safety just proves to me what nutjobs they are. Expect bail to be denied and they can sit is the slammer awaiting trial.

Apparently not, as that text is part of the evidence per the DA for the involuntary manslaughter charges. Apparently, the prosecutors understand the context quite well as part of criminal behavior.

Of course, the DA should explain why she announced charges without informing the cops or, apparently without securing a commitment to appear from the perps and their lawyer. .

Lastly, why nobody thought to open the backpack in either meeting with the kid is quite incredible.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Isnt she saying that about being on the phone during class?

So effing what. Certainly, you are not trying to defend the action of these two people and their kid which resulted in the death for four people and injury to 8 others. Currently, with less than 30 minutes to go before arraignment, they are nowhere to be found and a search is underway by local police, U.S Marshals and FBI. Highly unlikely, the arraignment was not pre-negotiated with their legal counsel.

To say nothing, that during the meeting at school shortly before the shooting started that neither the parents nor the schools folks inspected his backpack which contained the fully loaded weapon and many, many rounds of ammunition. Many questions for the school administrators as well.

I'm all for arguing about just anything here but using this tragedy as a method to argue some point seems a bit beyond the pale IMHO.

Care to explain? I'll promise to listen.

Of course I am not defending them, at all, Kismet. I was merely suggesting that her reply sounded like it is being taken out of context as it relates to the tragedy. And up to that point, as far as we know, no one thought the kid was going off the deep end. Merely searching for ammunition should not be cause for an attempted killing spree, especially when they have a new gun a few days prior...or maybe it should?

It's one of the reasons why I never had a gun in the house when my kids were growing up....you just never effing know and can not control who comes and goes when not at home. A tragedy of events, no doubt.

Yes, quite correct. This latest tall tale of fleeing because of their safety just proves to me what nutjobs they are. Expect bail to be denied and they can sit is the slammer awaiting trial.

Apparently not, as that text is part of the evidence per the DA for the involuntary manslaughter charges. Apparently, the prosecutors understand the context quite well as part of criminal behavior.

Of course, the DA should explain why she announced charges without informing the cops or, apparently without securing a commitment to appear from the perps and their lawyer. .

Lastly, why nobody thought to open the backpack in either meeting with the kid is quite incredible.

“Hey son, given what we just heard, you don’t have that gun I bought you in that backpack do you?….let me take a look…”

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/us/michi ... index.html

[Kismet]

Mom & Dad arrested in Detroit hiding in an industrial building. They withdrew $4,000 in cash from at ATM on Friday in Rochester Hills MI and had turned off their cell phones. Their lawyer said they had left the area for their own safety and were returning to turn themselves in. Sure. They may now need a new lawyer, too. Morons...and now criminals as well. Incredible.

Such fine and upstanding folks. No making bail for them. They are at the same jail as their kid.

[MDlaxfan76]

Mom & Dad arrested in Detroit hiding in an industrial building. They withdrew $4,000 in cash from at ATM on Friday in Rochester Hills MI and had turned off their cell phones. Their lawyer said they had left the area for their own safety and were returning to turn themselves in. Sure. They may now need a new lawyer, too. Morons...and now criminals as well. Incredible.

Such fine and upstanding folks. No bail for them. They are at the same jail as their kid.

Listening to her lawyer now...

Judge rejected the defense counsel's arguments, so $500,000 bond, various requirements, drug testing, GPS, etc. as requested by prosecution.

Judge clearly didn't buy that they had intended to turn themselves in.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Mom & Dad arrested in Detroit hiding in an industrial building. They withdrew $4,000 in cash from at ATM on Friday in Rochester Hills MI and had turned off their cell phones. Their lawyer said they had left the area for their own safety and were returning to turn themselves in. Sure. They may now need a new lawyer, too. Morons...and now criminals as well. Incredible.

Such fine and upstanding folks. No bail for them. They are at the same jail as their kid.

[PizzaSnake]

What? Pucker Farlson and Lin Wood aren’t going to rally round the nutjobs on this one?

[cradleandshoot]

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.

I don't like this tactic at all. You've given the element of surprise away with this.
1. He now knows you're in the house.
2. He knows about where you are.
If I'm in a position that I've got my shotgun out for protection, I'm pumping and
firing when I see the intruder. If one isn't comfortable/confident in doing this,
he/she needs to practice more...which I don't think people do enough when
they go out and buy a gun for home protection.

It's 2 in the morning. My car is out front. He already knows where I am. I'm getting behind something solid and giving him a chance to retreat.

It’s 2 in the morning and my car is in the garage which was mandatory in the purchase of my home so my car never gets broken into and no one knows when I’m home. I have locks, dead bolts and alarms. In the insanely unlikelihood that someone breaks into my home with ADT stickers on all the windows and doors, I’d rather call the police than live with the nightmares of killing someone, regardless of the reason. I’ve pretty much planned it so that scenario never happens.

As an adult, I’ve lived within the city of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and now Buffalo. I have been burgled while not home, but never robbed or mugged. I have developed street smarts not to get victimized and I don’t have a gun and don’t feel the need for one. I think you need better planning.

Do how do you handle that period of time when your alarm goes off and the police arrive? If it takes 10 or 15 minutes for the police to arrive what do you do while waiting? If you enter my home at 2am I'm not waiting for the police to show up. I could be dead by then and the intruder could be long gone. Who knows, with the defund the police movement if the police will actually show up at all? I guess that is a chance you are willing to take.

[Farfromgeneva]

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.

I don't like this tactic at all. You've given the element of surprise away with this.
1. He now knows you're in the house.
2. He knows about where you are.
If I'm in a position that I've got my shotgun out for protection, I'm pumping and
firing when I see the intruder. If one isn't comfortable/confident in doing this,
he/she needs to practice more...which I don't think people do enough when
they go out and buy a gun for home protection.

It's 2 in the morning. My car is out front. He already knows where I am. I'm getting behind something solid and giving him a chance to retreat.

It’s 2 in the morning and my car is in the garage which was mandatory in the purchase of my home so my car never gets broken into and no one knows when I’m home. I have locks, dead bolts and alarms. In the insanely unlikelihood that someone breaks into my home with ADT stickers on all the windows and doors, I’d rather call the police than live with the nightmares of killing someone, regardless of the reason. I’ve pretty much planned it so that scenario never happens.

As an adult, I’ve lived within the city of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and now Buffalo. I have been burgled while not home, but never robbed or mugged. I have developed street smarts not to get victimized and I don’t have a gun and don’t feel the need for one. I think you need better planning.

Do how do you handle that period of time when your alarm goes off and the police arrive? If it takes 10 or 15 minutes for the police to arrive what do you do while waiting? If you enter my home at 2am I'm not waiting for the police to show up. I could be dead by then and the intruder could be long gone. Who knows, with the defund the police movement if the police will actually show up at all? I guess that is a chance you are willing to take.

Could be dead with a gun.

[cradleandshoot]

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.

I don't like this tactic at all. You've given the element of surprise away with this.
1. He now knows you're in the house.
2. He knows about where you are.
If I'm in a position that I've got my shotgun out for protection, I'm pumping and
firing when I see the intruder. If one isn't comfortable/confident in doing this,
he/she needs to practice more...which I don't think people do enough when
they go out and buy a gun for home protection.

It's 2 in the morning. My car is out front. He already knows where I am. I'm getting behind something solid and giving him a chance to retreat.

It’s 2 in the morning and my car is in the garage which was mandatory in the purchase of my home so my car never gets broken into and no one knows when I’m home. I have locks, dead bolts and alarms. In the insanely unlikelihood that someone breaks into my home with ADT stickers on all the windows and doors, I’d rather call the police than live with the nightmares of killing someone, regardless of the reason. I’ve pretty much planned it so that scenario never happens.

As an adult, I’ve lived within the city of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and now Buffalo. I have been burgled while not home, but never robbed or mugged. I have developed street smarts not to get victimized and I don’t have a gun and don’t feel the need for one. I think you need better planning.

Do how do you handle that period of time when your alarm goes off and the police arrive? If it takes 10 or 15 minutes for the police to arrive what do you do while waiting? If you enter my home at 2am I'm not waiting for the police to show up. I could be dead by then and the intruder could be long gone. Who knows, with the defund the police movement if the police will actually show up at all? I guess that is a chance you are willing to take.

Could be dead with a gun.

Or dead without one. I'm not going to judge anyone on the decisions they make to defend their castles. I decided a few months ago the baseball bat was not good enough for me anymore. My wife encouraged me to purchase my shotgun. I'm the person in charge of security at 2am. She will be trained by myself and be capable of defending herself if the circumstances dictate.

[Farfromgeneva]

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.

I don't like this tactic at all. You've given the element of surprise away with this.
1. He now knows you're in the house.
2. He knows about where you are.
If I'm in a position that I've got my shotgun out for protection, I'm pumping and
firing when I see the intruder. If one isn't comfortable/confident in doing this,
he/she needs to practice more...which I don't think people do enough when
they go out and buy a gun for home protection.

It's 2 in the morning. My car is out front. He already knows where I am. I'm getting behind something solid and giving him a chance to retreat.

It’s 2 in the morning and my car is in the garage which was mandatory in the purchase of my home so my car never gets broken into and no one knows when I’m home. I have locks, dead bolts and alarms. In the insanely unlikelihood that someone breaks into my home with ADT stickers on all the windows and doors, I’d rather call the police than live with the nightmares of killing someone, regardless of the reason. I’ve pretty much planned it so that scenario never happens.

As an adult, I’ve lived within the city of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and now Buffalo. I have been burgled while not home, but never robbed or mugged. I have developed street smarts not to get victimized and I don’t have a gun and don’t feel the need for one. I think you need better planning.

Do how do you handle that period of time when your alarm goes off and the police arrive? If it takes 10 or 15 minutes for the police to arrive what do you do while waiting? If you enter my home at 2am I'm not waiting for the police to show up. I could be dead by then and the intruder could be long gone. Who knows, with the defund the police movement if the police will actually show up at all? I guess that is a chance you are willing to take.

Could be dead with a gun.

Or dead without one. I'm not going to judge anyone on the decisions they make to defend their castles. I decided a few months ago the baseball bat was not good enough for me anymore. My wife encouraged me to purchase my shotgun. I'm the person in charge of security at 2am. She will be trained by myself and be capable of defending herself if the circumstances dictate.

Yes you’re repeating the same point you made to which I inquired on but said it previously with such certainty that if you have a gun you’re safe.

I’m not saying anything on it for at home but the defenders all talk like they “get surgical with these bi**ches” (their gun) and the intruder is toast and they’ve saved the day 100% of the time and rarely, if at all, attempt to acknowledge a sliver of risk to anyone from owning a gun. Do you think having a gun is all reward no risk?

[cradleandshoot]

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.

I don't like this tactic at all. You've given the element of surprise away with this.
1. He now knows you're in the house.
2. He knows about where you are.
If I'm in a position that I've got my shotgun out for protection, I'm pumping and
firing when I see the intruder. If one isn't comfortable/confident in doing this,
he/she needs to practice more...which I don't think people do enough when
they go out and buy a gun for home protection.

It's 2 in the morning. My car is out front. He already knows where I am. I'm getting behind something solid and giving him a chance to retreat.

It’s 2 in the morning and my car is in the garage which was mandatory in the purchase of my home so my car never gets broken into and no one knows when I’m home. I have locks, dead bolts and alarms. In the insanely unlikelihood that someone breaks into my home with ADT stickers on all the windows and doors, I’d rather call the police than live with the nightmares of killing someone, regardless of the reason. I’ve pretty much planned it so that scenario never happens.

As an adult, I’ve lived within the city of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and now Buffalo. I have been burgled while not home, but never robbed or mugged. I have developed street smarts not to get victimized and I don’t have a gun and don’t feel the need for one. I think you need better planning.

Do how do you handle that period of time when your alarm goes off and the police arrive? If it takes 10 or 15 minutes for the police to arrive what do you do while waiting? If you enter my home at 2am I'm not waiting for the police to show up. I could be dead by then and the intruder could be long gone. Who knows, with the defund the police movement if the police will actually show up at all? I guess that is a chance you are willing to take.

Could be dead with a gun.

Or dead without one. I'm not going to judge anyone on the decisions they make to defend their castles. I decided a few months ago the baseball bat was not good enough for me anymore. My wife encouraged me to purchase my shotgun. I'm the person in charge of security at 2am. She will be trained by myself and be capable of defending herself if the circumstances dictate.

Yes you’re repeating the same point you made to which I inquired on but said it previously with such certainty that if you have a gun you’re safe.

I’m not saying anything on it for at home but the defenders all talk like they “get surgical with these bi**ches” (their gun) and the intruder is toast and they’ve saved the day 100% of the time and rarely, if at all, attempt to acknowledge a sliver of risk to anyone from owning a gun. Do you think having a gun is all reward no risk?

There is always a risk when you choose to purchase a firearm for home defense. I took the decision very seriously. I think I found the weapon that works best for my wife and I. If we are lucky I will never need it. If the worst case scenario materializes, I have something other than a baseball bat to fall back on. Or I could just wait 10, 20 or 30 minutes for the police to show up. I just need to figure out a way to entertain the intruder until law enforcement shows up.

[seacoaster]

Three days after a 15-year-old killed 4 classmates in Michigan with his "early Christmas present," and his parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter, our country features a Congressman Kentucky tweeting this photo with his family. If you don't think this gun culture nonsense is a cancer on our society, you're not listening or watching.

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/sta ... 3127422979

Guess which party. Only get one guess.

[tech37]

Three days after a 15-year-old killed 4 classmates in Michigan with his "early Christmas present," and his parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter, our country features a Congressman Kentucky tweeting this photo with his family. If you don't think this gun culture nonsense is a cancer on our society, you're not listening or watching.

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/sta ... 3127422979

Guess which party. Only get one guess.

Party? What does that matter? It's disgusting on any level, IMO.

[seacoaster]

Three days after a 15-year-old killed 4 classmates in Michigan with his "early Christmas present," and his parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter, our country features a Congressman Kentucky tweeting this photo with his family. If you don't think this gun culture nonsense is a cancer on our society, you're not listening or watching.

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/sta ... 3127422979

Guess which party. Only get one guess.

Party? What does that matter? It's disgusting on any level, IMO.

Yes sir, party matters. Another of the endless examples of the corrosion of this venerable old party into a performative, violence promoting, violence countenancing force in our community. Massie and Cawthorn and Greene and Boebert and Gohmert are rank and file figures now, where they'd have been fringe players only a decade ago. If you are a real independent, you cannot vote for this criminal gang.

[tech37]

Three days after a 15-year-old killed 4 classmates in Michigan with his "early Christmas present," and his parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter, our country features a Congressman Kentucky tweeting this photo with his family. If you don't think this gun culture nonsense is a cancer on our society, you're not listening or watching.

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/sta ... 3127422979

Guess which party. Only get one guess.

Party? What does that matter? It's disgusting on any level, IMO.

Yes sir, party matters. Another of the endless examples of the corrosion of this venerable old party into a performative, violence promoting, violence countenancing force in our community. Massie and Cawthorn and Greene and Boebert and Gohmert are rank and file figures now, where they'd have been fringe players only a decade ago. If you are a real independent, you cannot vote for this criminal gang.

Keep politicizing it and keep perpetuating it.

[Farfromgeneva]

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.

I don't like this tactic at all. You've given the element of surprise away with this.
1. He now knows you're in the house.
2. He knows about where you are.
If I'm in a position that I've got my shotgun out for protection, I'm pumping and
firing when I see the intruder. If one isn't comfortable/confident in doing this,
he/she needs to practice more...which I don't think people do enough when
they go out and buy a gun for home protection.

It's 2 in the morning. My car is out front. He already knows where I am. I'm getting behind something solid and giving him a chance to retreat.

It’s 2 in the morning and my car is in the garage which was mandatory in the purchase of my home so my car never gets broken into and no one knows when I’m home. I have locks, dead bolts and alarms. In the insanely unlikelihood that someone breaks into my home with ADT stickers on all the windows and doors, I’d rather call the police than live with the nightmares of killing someone, regardless of the reason. I’ve pretty much planned it so that scenario never happens.

As an adult, I’ve lived within the city of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia and now Buffalo. I have been burgled while not home, but never robbed or mugged. I have developed street smarts not to get victimized and I don’t have a gun and don’t feel the need for one. I think you need better planning.

Do how do you handle that period of time when your alarm goes off and the police arrive? If it takes 10 or 15 minutes for the police to arrive what do you do while waiting? If you enter my home at 2am I'm not waiting for the police to show up. I could be dead by then and the intruder could be long gone. Who knows, with the defund the police movement if the police will actually show up at all? I guess that is a chance you are willing to take.

Could be dead with a gun.

Or dead without one. I'm not going to judge anyone on the decisions they make to defend their castles. I decided a few months ago the baseball bat was not good enough for me anymore. My wife encouraged me to purchase my shotgun. I'm the person in charge of security at 2am. She will be trained by myself and be capable of defending herself if the circumstances dictate.

Yes you’re repeating the same point you made to which I inquired on but said it previously with such certainty that if you have a gun you’re safe.

I’m not saying anything on it for at home but the defenders all talk like they “get surgical with these bi**ches” (their gun) and the intruder is toast and they’ve saved the day 100% of the time and rarely, if at all, attempt to acknowledge a sliver of risk to anyone from owning a gun. Do you think having a gun is all reward no risk?

There is always a risk when you choose to purchase a firearm for home defense. I took the decision very seriously. I think I found the weapon that works best for my wife and I. If we are lucky I will never need it. If the worst case scenario materializes, I have something other than a baseball bat to fall back on. Or I could just wait 10, 20 or 30 minutes for the police to show up. I just need to figure out a way to entertain the intruder until law enforcement shows up.

Start complaining about liberals and the mayor of Rochester to throw the intruder off guard.

And we’re assuming all intruders are or have lethal intent right?