Sensible Gun Safety

[PizzaSnake]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

[a fan]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Well...have you noticed how rare school shootings are at Private Schools? That's why we don't have change of any kind, imho. No obvious things like spending on mental health etc.

[get it to x]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

[get it to x]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

[dislaxxic]

So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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[get it to x]

So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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I am against the death penalty, but not cruel and unusual punishment. Solitary confinement for ten years sounds about right. Especially considering the cruelty he visited upon the victims and their families. Let the punishment fit the crime.

[youthathletics]

So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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We may never know. If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this. I've seen and spoken to kids that I have coached that have shared instances of it going on in schools...most of them we never hear about. My son, stepped in between one of these kids that was being bullied (the kid also has some issues) to put an end to it and they became great friends. And sadly, that damned kid, broke in to our house while we were away to play on our xbox and eat our food......because his home life is also a train wreck.

I suppose my point, as I started off saying....we may never know. I'd be curious to know if there are records of incidents that took place in the school system between this young man and any of those shot.

What a tragedy is absolutely right.

[seacoaster]

"If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

[youthathletics]

"If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

Put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old.....not a man his 50's: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 79e914bf54

[Kismet]

So did this Michigan high school murderer feel "threatened" (ala "hero" Rittenhouse) at school and felt justified shooting up his school and murdering four classmates? He has plead "not guilty"... He's being tried as a adult. He posted online the night before about killing people. Premeditate much? Will the parents be indicted/ Should they be?

Mandatory life in prison with no parole? Sounds about right. What a tragedy.

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We may never know. If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this. I've seen and spoken to kids that I have coached that have shared instances of it going on in schools...most of them we never hear about. My son, stepped in between one of these kids that was being bullied (the kid also has some issues) to put an end to it and they became great friends. And sadly, that damned kid, broke in to our house while we were away to play on our xbox and eat our food......because his home life is also a train wreck.

I suppose my point, as I started off saying....we may never know. I'd be curious to know if there are records of incidents that took place in the school system between this young man and any of those shot.

What a tragedy is absolutely right.

Certainly you are not suggesting, this kid's actions were justified under ANY circumstances?

As a juvenile he is ineligible for death penalty and life without parole is not automatic for juveniles either. DA has to convince a judge to issue that kind of sentence for a juvenile.

Not sure they can get the parents on anything unless they can find evidence that they knew about the online materials and did nothing about it. In Michigan, you are not obligated to secure your weapons safely within your home.

That said, initial information available on the parents suggests some potential issues with both of them. No surprise.

[seacoaster]

"If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

Put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old.....not a man his 50's: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 79e914bf54

Just so I understand, are you saying that the kid subjected to the bathroom incident in Maryland could justifiably go home, get the gun, come back to school and shoot the perps?

[youthathletics]

"If you have ever witnessed the bullying that goes in school...you'd certainly understand how it could escalate to this."

Care to tell us all what level of bullying or specific acts of bullying would make me "understand" this? School is a hard ride; there are at least a couple of alternatives to picking up Dad's loaded weapon, popping it in the pack next to the social studies book, and shooting your peers. Can we not admit that the country has a gun-availability sickness? Do Republicans really just not care enough in the end to do anything about this issue?

Put yourself in the shoes of a 15 year old.....not a man his 50's: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 79e914bf54

Just so I understand, are you saying that the kid subjected to the bathroom incident in Maryland could justifiably go home, get the gun, come back to school and shoot the perps?

NO!

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

[PizzaSnake]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

I prefer a large “sharp” for up close and personal “wet work”. Doesn’t pass through walls and doors like a projectile. Quieter as well.

[PizzaSnake]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

Kyle?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

Kyle?

Sh*t. I should have said personally!

[Farfromgeneva]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

I prefer a large “sharp” for up close and personal “wet work”. Doesn’t pass through walls and doors like a projectile. Quieter as well.

Bill the Butcher approves of this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RVggUxEgv5k

[ardilla secreta]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

Any criminal expecting to enter your home or any other can only hope there is a firearm inside because that means BONUS POINTS. My parents home used to contain two shotguns. Not anymore. One of the easiest ways to get a gun is to take someone else’s.

Police anti crime seminars explain how home with NRA stickers are targets for illegal entry.

[get it to x]

Ah, ‘Murica. Land of the freedumb and home of the foolhardy…

I’ve been wondering what has been selected for over the past fifty odd years of diminished evolutionary selection pressure, and now I know.

Pew research on gun deaths:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... n-the-u-s/


FTA: "Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338)."

Compared to 14,542 murders, what are the estimates for the number of lives saved annually by defensive gun use? I've seen numbers from a low of 108,000 to over 400,000. I'm going to assume the vast majority of suicidal people would have found an alternative method. While all of these mass shootings are tragic, we should consider the alternative in a world where only criminals have firearms.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/60214382 ... lf-defense

So more than 100,000? Seems like the math favors the responsible gun owner. Consider that of the roughly 15,000 murders, many are criminal vs. criminal. I may or may not own a gun. I might have bought one yesterday. But the person contemplating entry into my home has no way of knowing. Anything that reduces that uncertainty is likely to lead to more loss of innocent life.

You know anyone that used a gun to kill someone in self defense?

Kyle?

That isn't the point. If I am in my bedroom upstairs and an intruder is downstairs all I need to do is rack the slide on my shotgun and it will most likely have the desired effect.