Yep. After emancipation, there were plenty of residents left too!old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:10 pmAfter the camps were opened, that's what those who chose to remain became.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:07 pmI thought it was funny actually…. “residents”old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:06 pmRight. Wiseass troll. Many, especially the elderly, had no place to return to.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:04 pmThey liked the government taking care of them.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:40 pm4 well equipped German saboteurs came ashore from 2 subs on the E coast. They were captured within a matter of days before they could do anything but buy groceries. That's it. That tells us we had pretty good counter intel on the Germans. That was it for Axis attacks on the E coast. Contrast that with the ACTUAL military attacks by the Japanese on US soil.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:26 am..... the case against C&S having been indoctrinated rests!! There were Saki drinking Japanese grandfathers that represented no threat to the US that ended up in the camps on the west coast. If your grandfather had been Japanese, where would he have spent the war?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:04 pmTo quote Ronald Reagan... "there you go again" My grandfather was 1st generation German immigrant. His biggest danger to the US was drinking them dry of good beer and outplaying all these upstate NYers in their own game of euchre. There of course was a large contingent of German Americans that supported the Nazis. They all vanished like a fart in the wind once Hitler declared war on the US. Many of them actually went back to Germany and joined der Fuehrer in his quest for world domination. You keep comparing oranges to apples. The American people were justifiably angry at Japan. They started a war with us in a most devastating and humiliating fashion. My dad caught considerable flack for being an American soldier that spoke fluent German. I believe "kraut" was the slang term hurled at him by some of his fellow soldiers. My dads ability to communicate with captured German soldiers was much appreciated on the front lines. A pack of Camels and some K rations and some friendly nattering with these POWs was usually all it took to get them talking. You are aware of the Japanese unit that served with incredible valor in France, Belgium and Germany. I guess there was not quite enough prejudice to forgo them the opportunity to go and die for their country. They did die in great numbers on the battlefields of Europe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:01 amExcept that he also denies that racism was driving the Japanese mass incarceration, just as he has denied racism as a factor defining any other part of American history. Always an excuse. Always with the handwaving.
What's he actually afraid of, DMac?...all he can do in response is claim "virtue signaling" instead of acknowledging that there's a reality in our history that is uncomfortable.
He also ignores that Midway was in 1942, yet mass incarceration continued until 1945, indeed not entirely ended until 6 months after the end of the war...typical from him to ignore the actual discussion.
And he ignores the much greater potential threat from German Americans relative to the Japanese Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Inf ... 20War%20II.
MDLAX is correct, OS waves his hand at the threats posed by German descendants, 5th columnists, Uboats and German spies on the east coast. They were real, as real as the threat posed by Japanese descendants. No person of Japanese ancestry living in the United States was ever convicted of espionage or sabotage that I can find through a quick Google search (before or during the war). The National Park Service makes a similar statement in an exhibit at the Presidio museum in San Francisco.
All the Axis powers had spies in the US. As has been mentioned, it was impractical to inter German & Italian descendants. It could be done with Japanese descendants. Do you think FDR, his war cabinet & military leaders would invest the massive resources required without the belief that it was necessary, just to satisfy racial animus ? Part of the justification was to protect Japanese-Americans.
There is no way of knowing what espionage was prevented. In hindsight, it appears the it was not necessary, but FDR could not have known that at the time. It was maintained until near the end of the war. FDR gave the order to end it on 17Dec44. The camps were opened for release on 2Jan45. The camps remained open for a time for residents not yet ready or able to leave,
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I believe they are called “Happy Camps”Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:15 pmYep. After emancipation, there were plenty of residents left too!old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:10 pmAfter the camps were opened, that's what those who chose to remain became.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:07 pmI thought it was funny actually…. “residents”old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:06 pmRight. Wiseass troll. Many, especially the elderly, had no place to return to.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:04 pmThey liked the government taking care of them.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:40 pm4 well equipped German saboteurs came ashore from 2 subs on the E coast. They were captured within a matter of days before they could do anything but buy groceries. That's it. That tells us we had pretty good counter intel on the Germans. That was it for Axis attacks on the E coast. Contrast that with the ACTUAL military attacks by the Japanese on US soil.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:26 am..... the case against C&S having been indoctrinated rests!! There were Saki drinking Japanese grandfathers that represented no threat to the US that ended up in the camps on the west coast. If your grandfather had been Japanese, where would he have spent the war?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:04 pmTo quote Ronald Reagan... "there you go again" My grandfather was 1st generation German immigrant. His biggest danger to the US was drinking them dry of good beer and outplaying all these upstate NYers in their own game of euchre. There of course was a large contingent of German Americans that supported the Nazis. They all vanished like a fart in the wind once Hitler declared war on the US. Many of them actually went back to Germany and joined der Fuehrer in his quest for world domination. You keep comparing oranges to apples. The American people were justifiably angry at Japan. They started a war with us in a most devastating and humiliating fashion. My dad caught considerable flack for being an American soldier that spoke fluent German. I believe "kraut" was the slang term hurled at him by some of his fellow soldiers. My dads ability to communicate with captured German soldiers was much appreciated on the front lines. A pack of Camels and some K rations and some friendly nattering with these POWs was usually all it took to get them talking. You are aware of the Japanese unit that served with incredible valor in France, Belgium and Germany. I guess there was not quite enough prejudice to forgo them the opportunity to go and die for their country. They did die in great numbers on the battlefields of Europe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:01 amExcept that he also denies that racism was driving the Japanese mass incarceration, just as he has denied racism as a factor defining any other part of American history. Always an excuse. Always with the handwaving.
What's he actually afraid of, DMac?...all he can do in response is claim "virtue signaling" instead of acknowledging that there's a reality in our history that is uncomfortable.
He also ignores that Midway was in 1942, yet mass incarceration continued until 1945, indeed not entirely ended until 6 months after the end of the war...typical from him to ignore the actual discussion.
And he ignores the much greater potential threat from German Americans relative to the Japanese Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Inf ... 20War%20II.
MDLAX is correct, OS waves his hand at the threats posed by German descendants, 5th columnists, Uboats and German spies on the east coast. They were real, as real as the threat posed by Japanese descendants. No person of Japanese ancestry living in the United States was ever convicted of espionage or sabotage that I can find through a quick Google search (before or during the war). The National Park Service makes a similar statement in an exhibit at the Presidio museum in San Francisco.
All the Axis powers had spies in the US. As has been mentioned, it was impractical to inter German & Italian descendants. It could be done with Japanese descendants. Do you think FDR, his war cabinet & military leaders would invest the massive resources required without the belief that it was necessary, just to satisfy racial animus ? Part of the justification was to protect Japanese-Americans.
There is no way of knowing what espionage was prevented. In hindsight, it appears the it was not necessary, but FDR could not have known that at the time. It was maintained until near the end of the war. FDR gave the order to end it on 17Dec44. The camps were opened for release on 2Jan45. The camps remained open for a time for residents not yet ready or able to leave,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O9-ERhmuYEI
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...especially on the Baatan death march.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:18 pm Packing up after summering out west:
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Some fine residents of the tony encampmentFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:22 pmI believe they are called “Happy Camps”Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:15 pmYep. After emancipation, there were plenty of residents left too!old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:10 pmAfter the camps were opened, that's what those who chose to remain became.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:07 pmI thought it was funny actually…. “residents”old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:06 pmRight. Wiseass troll. Many, especially the elderly, had no place to return to.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:04 pmThey liked the government taking care of them.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:40 pm4 well equipped German saboteurs came ashore from 2 subs on the E coast. They were captured within a matter of days before they could do anything but buy groceries. That's it. That tells us we had pretty good counter intel on the Germans. That was it for Axis attacks on the E coast. Contrast that with the ACTUAL military attacks by the Japanese on US soil.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:26 am..... the case against C&S having been indoctrinated rests!! There were Saki drinking Japanese grandfathers that represented no threat to the US that ended up in the camps on the west coast. If your grandfather had been Japanese, where would he have spent the war?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:04 pmTo quote Ronald Reagan... "there you go again" My grandfather was 1st generation German immigrant. His biggest danger to the US was drinking them dry of good beer and outplaying all these upstate NYers in their own game of euchre. There of course was a large contingent of German Americans that supported the Nazis. They all vanished like a fart in the wind once Hitler declared war on the US. Many of them actually went back to Germany and joined der Fuehrer in his quest for world domination. You keep comparing oranges to apples. The American people were justifiably angry at Japan. They started a war with us in a most devastating and humiliating fashion. My dad caught considerable flack for being an American soldier that spoke fluent German. I believe "kraut" was the slang term hurled at him by some of his fellow soldiers. My dads ability to communicate with captured German soldiers was much appreciated on the front lines. A pack of Camels and some K rations and some friendly nattering with these POWs was usually all it took to get them talking. You are aware of the Japanese unit that served with incredible valor in France, Belgium and Germany. I guess there was not quite enough prejudice to forgo them the opportunity to go and die for their country. They did die in great numbers on the battlefields of Europe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:01 amExcept that he also denies that racism was driving the Japanese mass incarceration, just as he has denied racism as a factor defining any other part of American history. Always an excuse. Always with the handwaving.
What's he actually afraid of, DMac?...all he can do in response is claim "virtue signaling" instead of acknowledging that there's a reality in our history that is uncomfortable.
He also ignores that Midway was in 1942, yet mass incarceration continued until 1945, indeed not entirely ended until 6 months after the end of the war...typical from him to ignore the actual discussion.
And he ignores the much greater potential threat from German Americans relative to the Japanese Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Inf ... 20War%20II.
MDLAX is correct, OS waves his hand at the threats posed by German descendants, 5th columnists, Uboats and German spies on the east coast. They were real, as real as the threat posed by Japanese descendants. No person of Japanese ancestry living in the United States was ever convicted of espionage or sabotage that I can find through a quick Google search (before or during the war). The National Park Service makes a similar statement in an exhibit at the Presidio museum in San Francisco.
All the Axis powers had spies in the US. As has been mentioned, it was impractical to inter German & Italian descendants. It could be done with Japanese descendants. Do you think FDR, his war cabinet & military leaders would invest the massive resources required without the belief that it was necessary, just to satisfy racial animus ? Part of the justification was to protect Japanese-Americans.
There is no way of knowing what espionage was prevented. In hindsight, it appears the it was not necessary, but FDR could not have known that at the time. It was maintained until near the end of the war. FDR gave the order to end it on 17Dec44. The camps were opened for release on 2Jan45. The camps remained open for a time for residents not yet ready or able to leave,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O9-ERhmuYEI
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Those were residents.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:25 pm...especially on the Baatan death march.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:18 pm Packing up after summering out west:
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...staffed by comfort women.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:22 pmI believe they are called “Happy Camps”Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:15 pmYep. After emancipation, there were plenty of residents left too!old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:10 pmAfter the camps were opened, that's what those who chose to remain became.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:07 pmI thought it was funny actually…. “residents”old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:06 pmRight. Wiseass troll. Many, especially the elderly, had no place to return to.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:04 pmThey liked the government taking care of them.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:40 pm4 well equipped German saboteurs came ashore from 2 subs on the E coast. They were captured within a matter of days before they could do anything but buy groceries. That's it. That tells us we had pretty good counter intel on the Germans. That was it for Axis attacks on the E coast. Contrast that with the ACTUAL military attacks by the Japanese on US soil.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:26 am..... the case against C&S having been indoctrinated rests!! There were Saki drinking Japanese grandfathers that represented no threat to the US that ended up in the camps on the west coast. If your grandfather had been Japanese, where would he have spent the war?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:04 pmTo quote Ronald Reagan... "there you go again" My grandfather was 1st generation German immigrant. His biggest danger to the US was drinking them dry of good beer and outplaying all these upstate NYers in their own game of euchre. There of course was a large contingent of German Americans that supported the Nazis. They all vanished like a fart in the wind once Hitler declared war on the US. Many of them actually went back to Germany and joined der Fuehrer in his quest for world domination. You keep comparing oranges to apples. The American people were justifiably angry at Japan. They started a war with us in a most devastating and humiliating fashion. My dad caught considerable flack for being an American soldier that spoke fluent German. I believe "kraut" was the slang term hurled at him by some of his fellow soldiers. My dads ability to communicate with captured German soldiers was much appreciated on the front lines. A pack of Camels and some K rations and some friendly nattering with these POWs was usually all it took to get them talking. You are aware of the Japanese unit that served with incredible valor in France, Belgium and Germany. I guess there was not quite enough prejudice to forgo them the opportunity to go and die for their country. They did die in great numbers on the battlefields of Europe.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:01 amExcept that he also denies that racism was driving the Japanese mass incarceration, just as he has denied racism as a factor defining any other part of American history. Always an excuse. Always with the handwaving.
What's he actually afraid of, DMac?...all he can do in response is claim "virtue signaling" instead of acknowledging that there's a reality in our history that is uncomfortable.
He also ignores that Midway was in 1942, yet mass incarceration continued until 1945, indeed not entirely ended until 6 months after the end of the war...typical from him to ignore the actual discussion.
And he ignores the much greater potential threat from German Americans relative to the Japanese Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Inf ... 20War%20II.
MDLAX is correct, OS waves his hand at the threats posed by German descendants, 5th columnists, Uboats and German spies on the east coast. They were real, as real as the threat posed by Japanese descendants. No person of Japanese ancestry living in the United States was ever convicted of espionage or sabotage that I can find through a quick Google search (before or during the war). The National Park Service makes a similar statement in an exhibit at the Presidio museum in San Francisco.
All the Axis powers had spies in the US. As has been mentioned, it was impractical to inter German & Italian descendants. It could be done with Japanese descendants. Do you think FDR, his war cabinet & military leaders would invest the massive resources required without the belief that it was necessary, just to satisfy racial animus ? Part of the justification was to protect Japanese-Americans.
There is no way of knowing what espionage was prevented. In hindsight, it appears the it was not necessary, but FDR could not have known that at the time. It was maintained until near the end of the war. FDR gave the order to end it on 17Dec44. The camps were opened for release on 2Jan45. The camps remained open for a time for residents not yet ready or able to leave,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O9-ERhmuYEI
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Are you surprised?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:35 pm I suppose it is settled.....it is just the woke-snowflakes against the cops : https://freebeacon.com/policy/88-percen ... nitiative/
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So when we all tried to explain to, ahem, "some" posters here last summer that the far left have no power in our country........does this mean you guys have the score straight now?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:35 pm I suppose it is settled.....it is just the woke-snowflakes against the cops : https://freebeacon.com/policy/88-percen ... nitiative/
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There is no racism among Trump supporters. Proof these people don't understand what CRT is. Just made up Trumpnista sh*t.
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Starting to think the suffrage movement overshot the mark..jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:18 pm There is no racism among Trump supporters. Proof these people don't understand what CRT is. Just made up Trumpnista sh*t.
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All you have to do is see SALON in docs link. You then understand doc is trying to spread FLP manure all over the forum.jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:18 pm There is no racism among Trump supporters. Proof these people don't understand what CRT is. Just made up Trumpnista sh*t.
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jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:18 pm There is no racism among Trump supporters. Proof these people don't understand what CRT is. Just made up Trumpnista sh*t.
Today it is being reported that the Tennessee Department of Education is refusing to investigate the complaint filed (described above). Glad to see everyone in Tennessee isn't brain dead. The story.
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hmmm, actually, the non investigation is for technicalities, not because they actually think the mom is looney tunes racist and the complaint has no merit. (which it doesn't).jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:08 amjhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:18 pm There is no racism among Trump supporters. Proof these people don't understand what CRT is. Just made up Trumpnista sh*t.
Today it is being reported that the Tennessee Department of Education is refusing to investigate the complaint filed (described above). Glad to see everyone in Tennessee isn't brain dead. The story.
Of course, they may just be being non confrontational and the technicalities were an easy excuse to avoid a discussion on the merits.
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11 year-old tweet from the new Twitter CEO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFbf8YVWYAA ... me=900x900
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What do you think he means by this?Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:56 pm 11 year-old tweet from the new Twitter CEO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFbf8YVWYAA ... me=900x900
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That we shouldn't conflate Muslims with Muslim extremists.
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One fair reading would be to equate the "they" in the first clause to 'white people" (who can't differentiate between "muslims" and "extremists")...and thus, at least those "white people" are fairly judged to be "racists".seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:58 pmWhat do you think he means by this?Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:56 pm 11 year-old tweet from the new Twitter CEO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFbf8YVWYAA ... me=900x900
Restated, 'if you're going to lump together muslims and extremists, you can't whine about white people being lumped together as racists cause you are one'.