Is America a racist nation?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

72's flurry of recent posts attacking anyone/anything that differs from his ideology/narrative shows his world-view lens is fogging up and out of focus.

... only clowns and liars.

How do you even find that stuff? Who takes the time to watch it?

Second question more pertinent IMO. I seriously doubt it's purely intellectual inquiry as much as searching to support confirmation biases.

I often wonder if the people that take the time to sit and watch that stuff are responsible for hiring and promoting people? I ask the same of the people arrested for the January 6th insurrection.

[Farfromgeneva]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

72's flurry of recent posts attacking anyone/anything that differs from his ideology/narrative shows his world-view lens is fogging up and out of focus.

... only clowns and liars.

How do you even find that stuff? Who takes the time to watch it?

Second question more pertinent IMO. I seriously doubt it's purely intellectual inquiry as much as searching to support confirmation biases.

I often wonder if the people that take the time to sit and watch that stuff are responsible for hiring and promoting people? I ask the same of the people arrested for the January 6th insurrection.

Yes.

I'd say "you'd be surprised", but I'm sure you actually aren't surprised. Unfortunately.

[tech37]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Hey 72, once you've listened to Krystal, you can listen and learn here as well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjq56zhAB1I

[MDlaxfan76]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

Posting a right wing idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

Tech: do you want the honors of expanding to MD who Crystal Ball and Rising are.

‘right wing idiot’. Oh man.

I edited the above:

Posting an idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"; she's an opportunist and a flamer, used to do so from the left, but she tacked hard right in January 2021...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

... yup, she is definitely an individual trying to rise to prominence faster than her talent would normally allow. - an opportunist. She was really nothing more than a "beard" while on MSNBC. Didn't last long. By the way, its Krystal not Crystal - for Petey's benefit.

Her show is the number one political podcast in the world. She handily trounces both CNN and MSNBC viewership numbers.

‘Untalented’.

... more bullsh*t from our boy Goebbels. https://podblade.com/best-podcasts-for- ... r_Politics

Your link isn’t about numbers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90646413/wh ... -in-a-week

Says number one.

In this one, says #7.

https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us- ... s-podcasts

In all events for jhu, ‘untalented’.

... "Untalented" is your word, not mine. At no point did I call her "untalented". I said her ambition exceeded her talent.

... You said #1 in the world. The fast company article basically claims a #1 specific edition of the show. #1 once.

... The chart shows #7, and apparently a more stable position, at least 2 weeks in a row.


This is not evidence she has the "number one political podcast in the world."

Petey, '72 beat me to it.
You were once again making a dishonest, false claim.

It's #7 not #1.

As to 'talented', I called her an "opportunist", someone who understood that saying incendiary things gets attention, and that such attention can be turned to profits. This sort of "opportunist talent" doesn't make someone honest. Nor does it make them analytically sound. Nor does it make them not a complete jerk, for that matter.

Does she have a nose for how to get attention with a political podcast? Yes.
But that appears to be the limit of her "talent" unless you want to make a comment about her appearance as a "talent".

I listened only briefly to that particular link and immediately saw her for the fraud she is.
But fraud can be profitable, as Trump has certainly demonstrated.

[MDlaxfan76]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

Posting a right wing idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

Tech: do you want the honors of expanding to MD who Crystal Ball and Rising are.

‘right wing idiot’. Oh man.

I edited the above:

Posting an idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"; she's an opportunist and a flamer, used to do so from the left, but she tacked hard right in January 2021...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

... yup, she is definitely an individual trying to rise to prominence faster than her talent would normally allow. - an opportunist. She was really nothing more than a "beard" while on MSNBC. Didn't last long. By the way, its Krystal not Crystal - for Petey's benefit.

Her show is the number one political podcast in the world. She handily trounces both CNN and MSNBC viewership numbers.

‘Untalented’.

... more bullsh*t from our boy Goebbels. https://podblade.com/best-podcasts-for- ... r_Politics

Your link isn’t about numbers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90646413/wh ... -in-a-week

Says number one.

In this one, says #7.

https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us- ... s-podcasts

In all events for jhu, ‘untalented’.

... "Untalented" is your word, not mine. At no point did I call her "untalented". I said her ambition exceeded her talent.

... You said #1 in the world. The fast company article basically claims a #1 specific edition of the show. #1 once.

... The chart shows #7, and apparently a more stable position, at least 2 weeks in a row.


This is not evidence she has the "number one political podcast in the world."

Petey, '72 beat me to it.
You were once again making a dishonest, false claim.

It's #7 not #1.

As to 'talented', I called her an "opportunist", someone who understood that saying incendiary things gets attention, and that such attention can be turned to profits. This sort of "opportunist talent" doesn't make someone honest. Nor does it make them analytically sound. Nor does it make them not a complete jerk, for that matter.

Does she have a nose for how to get attention with a political podcast? Yes.
But that appears to be the limit of her "talent" unless you want to make a comment about her appearance as a "talent".

I listened only briefly to that particular link and immediately saw her for the fraud she is.
But fraud can be profitable, as Trump has certainly demonstrated.

[tech37]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

Posting a right wing idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

Tech: do you want the honors of expanding to MD who Crystal Ball and Rising are.

‘right wing idiot’. Oh man.

I edited the above:

Posting an idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"; she's an opportunist and a flamer, used to do so from the left, but she tacked hard right in January 2021...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

... yup, she is definitely an individual trying to rise to prominence faster than her talent would normally allow. - an opportunist. She was really nothing more than a "beard" while on MSNBC. Didn't last long. By the way, its Krystal not Crystal - for Petey's benefit.

Her show is the number one political podcast in the world. She handily trounces both CNN and MSNBC viewership numbers.

‘Untalented’.

... more bullsh*t from our boy Goebbels. https://podblade.com/best-podcasts-for- ... r_Politics

Your link isn’t about numbers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90646413/wh ... -in-a-week

Says number one.

In this one, says #7.

https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us- ... s-podcasts

In all events for jhu, ‘untalented’.

... "Untalented" is your word, not mine. At no point did I call her "untalented". I said her ambition exceeded her talent.

... You said #1 in the world. The fast company article basically claims a #1 specific edition of the show. #1 once.

... The chart shows #7, and apparently a more stable position, at least 2 weeks in a row.


This is not evidence she has the "number one political podcast in the world."

Petey, '72 beat me to it.
You were once again making a dishonest, false claim.

It's #7 not #1.

As to 'talented', I called her an "opportunist", someone who understood that saying incendiary things gets attention, and that such attention can be turned to profits. This sort of "opportunist talent" doesn't make someone honest. Nor does it make them analytically sound. Nor does it make them not a complete jerk, for that matter.

Does she have a nose for how to get attention with a political podcast? Yes.
But that appears to be the limit of her "talent" unless you want to make a comment about her appearance as a "talent".

I listened only briefly to that particular link and immediately saw her for the fraud she is.
But fraud can be profitable, as Trump has certainly demonstrated.

"fraud" ? If mdlax finds her a fraud, I'll be sure to keep watching/listening

[Peter Brown]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

Posting a right wing idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

Tech: do you want the honors of expanding to MD who Crystal Ball and Rising are.

‘right wing idiot’. Oh man.

I edited the above:

Posting an idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"; she's an opportunist and a flamer, used to do so from the left, but she tacked hard right in January 2021...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

... yup, she is definitely an individual trying to rise to prominence faster than her talent would normally allow. - an opportunist. She was really nothing more than a "beard" while on MSNBC. Didn't last long. By the way, its Krystal not Crystal - for Petey's benefit.

Her show is the number one political podcast in the world. She handily trounces both CNN and MSNBC viewership numbers.

‘Untalented’.

... more bullsh*t from our boy Goebbels. https://podblade.com/best-podcasts-for- ... r_Politics

Your link isn’t about numbers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90646413/wh ... -in-a-week

Says number one.

In this one, says #7.

https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us- ... s-podcasts

In all events for jhu, ‘untalented’.

... "Untalented" is your word, not mine. At no point did I call her "untalented". I said her ambition exceeded her talent.

... You said #1 in the world. The fast company article basically claims a #1 specific edition of the show. #1 once.

... The chart shows #7, and apparently a more stable position, at least 2 weeks in a row.


This is not evidence she has the "number one political podcast in the world."

Petey, '72 beat me to it.
You were once again making a dishonest, false claim.

It's #7 not #1.

As to 'talented', I called her an "opportunist", someone who understood that saying incendiary things gets attention, and that such attention can be turned to profits. This sort of "opportunist talent" doesn't make someone honest. Nor does it make them analytically sound. Nor does it make them not a complete jerk, for that matter.

Does she have a nose for how to get attention with a political podcast? Yes.
But that appears to be the limit of her "talent" unless you want to make a comment about her appearance as a "talent".

I listened only briefly to that particular link and immediately saw her for the fraud she is.
But fraud can be profitable, as Trump has certainly demonstrated.

"fraud" ? If mdlax finds her a fraud, I'll be sure to keep watching/listening

If it wasn’t too obvious, MDLax previous to today had (obviously) never heard of Krystal, let alone heard her. He didn’t even realize that she is further left than anyone on this board.

But what is forever humorous about a guy like MD is him casually and confidently uttering his pronouncement on another human being’s entire character without even giving her the courtesy of even listening to the video. He hears the 30 second intro and thinks he knows her entire backstory.

Had MD exhibited some curiosity and perhaps god forbid a little humility and watched the entire video, he would understand better toward the end where Krystal comes at things from a philosophical standpoint, and dare I say, he would note that she is significantly more intelligent, impressive, and consistent than our famous (and favorite) ex-Republican.

(mind you, Krystal is a leftist…unfortunately for her and the approval of the seal crowd, she believes in things like feee speech and due process, making her unwelcome in Democratic circles…)

[jhu72]

More nonsense. Ball is not further left than anyone on this board. She is not left at all. She is whatever she thinks will sell. She is a "beard".

[MDlaxfan76]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

Posting a right wing idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

Tech: do you want the honors of expanding to MD who Crystal Ball and Rising are.

‘right wing idiot’. Oh man.

I edited the above:

Posting an idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"; she's an opportunist and a flamer, used to do so from the left, but she tacked hard right in January 2021...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

... yup, she is definitely an individual trying to rise to prominence faster than her talent would normally allow. - an opportunist. She was really nothing more than a "beard" while on MSNBC. Didn't last long. By the way, its Krystal not Crystal - for Petey's benefit.

Her show is the number one political podcast in the world. She handily trounces both CNN and MSNBC viewership numbers.

‘Untalented’.

... more bullsh*t from our boy Goebbels. https://podblade.com/best-podcasts-for- ... r_Politics

Your link isn’t about numbers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90646413/wh ... -in-a-week

Says number one.

In this one, says #7.

https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us- ... s-podcasts

In all events for jhu, ‘untalented’.

... "Untalented" is your word, not mine. At no point did I call her "untalented". I said her ambition exceeded her talent.

... You said #1 in the world. The fast company article basically claims a #1 specific edition of the show. #1 once.

... The chart shows #7, and apparently a more stable position, at least 2 weeks in a row.


This is not evidence she has the "number one political podcast in the world."

Petey, '72 beat me to it.
You were once again making a dishonest, false claim.

It's #7 not #1.

As to 'talented', I called her an "opportunist", someone who understood that saying incendiary things gets attention, and that such attention can be turned to profits. This sort of "opportunist talent" doesn't make someone honest. Nor does it make them analytically sound. Nor does it make them not a complete jerk, for that matter.

Does she have a nose for how to get attention with a political podcast? Yes.
But that appears to be the limit of her "talent" unless you want to make a comment about her appearance as a "talent".

I listened only briefly to that particular link and immediately saw her for the fraud she is.
But fraud can be profitable, as Trump has certainly demonstrated.

"fraud" ? If mdlax finds her a fraud, I'll be sure to keep watching/listening

yes, I do.
She's peddling BS that she knows is baloney, all for the clicks and $.
She ain't the only one, left or right, but it's very, very clear that's what she's doing.

[MDlaxfan76]

Black principal forced out in Texas High School. I have to laugh at America's racist right. They think this kind of "action" is winning. To the contrary, it is a battle that just illustrates the problem to more and more people on the ground, illustrating the intellectual dishonesty of the racist right, in its own way confirming the history "taught" by the 1619 project, making it more believable to those with open minds, especially the young who have legitimate (not agenda based) doubt. Racism is for losers, and today's racist right will lose. Their intentional mislabeling of CRT will backfire on them.

Listen and learn 72 (this liberal person's opinion is accurate IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NwGNbP1n0

Perfect response... sooo threatened are we?

Nope, just find you to be a clown.

Posting a right wing idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

Tech: do you want the honors of expanding to MD who Crystal Ball and Rising are.

‘right wing idiot’. Oh man.

I edited the above:

Posting an idiot on a right wing propaganda channel and calling her "liberal"; she's an opportunist and a flamer, used to do so from the left, but she tacked hard right in January 2021...I'm sorry I even opened it and contributed economically by watching the ad...30 seconds in and I'd had enough of the flaming.

... yup, she is definitely an individual trying to rise to prominence faster than her talent would normally allow. - an opportunist. She was really nothing more than a "beard" while on MSNBC. Didn't last long. By the way, its Krystal not Crystal - for Petey's benefit.

Her show is the number one political podcast in the world. She handily trounces both CNN and MSNBC viewership numbers.

‘Untalented’.

... more bullsh*t from our boy Goebbels. https://podblade.com/best-podcasts-for- ... r_Politics

Your link isn’t about numbers.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90646413/wh ... -in-a-week

Says number one.

In this one, says #7.

https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us- ... s-podcasts

In all events for jhu, ‘untalented’.

... "Untalented" is your word, not mine. At no point did I call her "untalented". I said her ambition exceeded her talent.

... You said #1 in the world. The fast company article basically claims a #1 specific edition of the show. #1 once.

... The chart shows #7, and apparently a more stable position, at least 2 weeks in a row.


This is not evidence she has the "number one political podcast in the world."

Petey, '72 beat me to it.
You were once again making a dishonest, false claim.

It's #7 not #1.

As to 'talented', I called her an "opportunist", someone who understood that saying incendiary things gets attention, and that such attention can be turned to profits. This sort of "opportunist talent" doesn't make someone honest. Nor does it make them analytically sound. Nor does it make them not a complete jerk, for that matter.

Does she have a nose for how to get attention with a political podcast? Yes.
But that appears to be the limit of her "talent" unless you want to make a comment about her appearance as a "talent".

I listened only briefly to that particular link and immediately saw her for the fraud she is.
But fraud can be profitable, as Trump has certainly demonstrated.

"fraud" ? If mdlax finds her a fraud, I'll be sure to keep watching/listening

If it wasn’t too obvious, MDLax previous to today had (obviously) never heard of Krystal, let alone heard her. He didn’t even realize that she is further left than anyone on this board.

But what is forever humorous about a guy like MD is him casually and confidently uttering his pronouncement on another human being’s entire character without even giving her the courtesy of even listening to the video. He hears the 30 second intro and thinks he knows her entire backstory.

Had MD exhibited some curiosity and perhaps god forbid a little humility and watched the entire video, he would understand better toward the end where Krystal comes at things from a philosophical standpoint, and dare I say, he would note that she is significantly more intelligent, impressive, and consistent than our famous (and favorite) ex-Republican.

(mind you, Krystal is a leftist…unfortunately for her and the approval of the seal crowd, she believes in things like feee speech and due process, making her unwelcome in Democratic circles…)

Nope, I recognized her quickly, having seen her shtick previously. But the link didn't specify who the "liberal" was, and I don't 'follow' these sorts of jerks...and she very much ain't a liberal, nor even a moderate. She used to pitch, ostensibly, from the left, but not actually left, and then tacked way, way hard right last January...when pretty much everyone moderate or liberal was going What the heck at Jan 6 and the Big Lie.

She and her co-host saw an opening with the nutcases, left her prior job, and went hard right in her new 'business' appealing to right wingers. $$$

[Peter Brown]

Editors note: MD does not in fact know who Krystal Ball is.

Hint: she was a Bernie Sanders fanatic.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/12/krys ... hill-msnbc

[Brooklyn]

She’s ‘blue state hot’, meaning although shes from Texas, she’s truly remarkably fugly; if you were a lib and lived in a blue state and spent your time (as they do) watching anime on a computer all day long, you’d likely consider this ‘gem’ the hottest fake blond in the universe, and you’d gladly go Proud Boy to date her. That kind of hot.

The ideal Republican blonde:

[Farfromgeneva]

She’s ‘blue state hot’, meaning although shes from Texas, she’s truly remarkably fugly; if you were a lib and lived in a blue state and spent your time (as they do) watching anime on a computer all day long, you’d likely consider this ‘gem’ the hottest fake blond in the universe, and you’d gladly go Proud Boy to date her. That kind of hot.

The ideal Republican blonde:

Definitely don’t want the “grip and rip” from those hands…

[jhu72]

Just the girl for Petey.

[Brooklyn]

Definitely don’t want the “grip and rip” from those hands…

jhu72 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:37 pm

Just the girl for Petey.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.8kzgmFXxF ... =5&pid=1.7

[kramerica.inc]

These people spend years living the life of white privilege...

Which I’m gonna bet you, Andy Bernard, have wholly renounced, correct?

[Peter Brown]

These people spend years living the life of white privilege...

Which I’m gonna bet you, Andy Bernard, have wholly renounced, correct?

If there exists a definition of ‘white privilege’ in this universe, it has got to be ex-lacrosse players who (amazingly) are liberal, kvetching on a lacrosse forum to each other about raising their neighbors’ taxes or whining about Florida when their own states require so much cleanup first.

[PizzaSnake]

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -survivors

[Typical Lax Dad]

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -survivors

Buddy bought a place in Ohio. In land grant it mentioned the land was free if cleared of heathens…… pull yourself up by the “bootstrap” stuff.

[old salt]

The 1619 Project historian is branching out {from behind the National Review paywall }

Nikole Hannah-Jones Mangles World War II Atomic History

By ARTHUR HERMAN
November 15, 2021

The New York Times columnist is very wrong, yet again.
We’ve now been greeted with yet another rendition of fake history. This time, it is purveyed by two of the most prominent and persistent fakers: Nikole Hannah-Jones of the 1619 Project and Howard Zinn, author of the most popular (and misleading) history textbook, A People’s History of the United States.

The misrepresentations, distortions, and outright falsifications of history contained in the 1619 Project have been carefully exposed elsewhere. Nonetheless, Ms. Hannah-Jones recently decided to extend her streak from the history of slavery to the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II. She posted this tweet, which has since been deleted:

They [the federal government] dropped the bomb when they knew surrender was coming because they’d spent all this money developing it and to prove it was worth it. Propaganda is not history, my friend.

It’s not hard to identify where she got this counterfactual account of Hiroshima; indeed, it comes from Howard Zinn, who wrote in his People’s History that “the Japanese had begun talking of surrender a year before this” but the Americans insisted on unconditional surrender, which made peace impossible. “Why did the United States not take that small step to save both American and Japanese lives? Was it because too much money and effort had been invested in the atomic bomb not to drop it?,” Zinn pondered.

So much for propaganda versus history. It’s now generally accepted by everyone who knows anything about the subject — including Japanese historians — that the key reason for using the atomic bomb was not racist bloodlust (as the Smithsonian’s abortive Enola Gay exhibit tried to insinuate a few years ago), or (as in another leftist tract, Gar Alperovitz’s Atomic Diplomacy) a cynical desire to impress Stalin and the Soviet Union with our newfound nuclear prowess, but rather an overwhelming concern about the staggering cost in casualties a U.S. invasion of Japan would incur — not to mention Japanese deaths. At a White House meeting on June 18, 1945, a very worried President Truman learned that the man who was to head the invasion of the island of Kyushu, General Douglas MacArthur, estimated that U.S. casualties would approach 120,000 in the first 90 days. The navy’s overall estimate ran to a quarter-million casualties overall — with the battle for Honshu and Tokyo, the capital, still to come.

It was in order to forestall an apocalyptic fight to the death between American soldiers and Japanese soldiers and civilians that would drag on for months or even years that Truman on July 28 authorized the dropping of one of the two available atomic bombs on the city of Hiroshima, and then, if Japan still refused to surrender, dropping the second on Nagasaki.

These facts are well-known — well-known, it seems, to everyone except Hannah-Jones, Zinn, and their fans. What isn’t so well known is that American decrypts of Japanese military ciphers on the eve of Hiroshima had established that, far from being close to surrender, or even discouraged by one major defeat after another — from Iwo Jima and the Philippines to Okinawa — Japan’s military leadership was determined to fight on to the finish.

Historian Junichiro Shoji has recently revealed how intransigent the Japanese military had become in defending the decision to prosecute the war irrespective of any human cost. Even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the military remained unwavering. The generals even called for the “honorable death of 100 million” in a “battle for the Japanese Home Islands.” At a meeting with the Emperor on August 14, almost a week after the second bomb had been dropped on Nagasaki, both Army Marshal Sugiyama and Admiral Nagano insisted that “the military still has strength remaining and its morale is strong. Based on these [factors], it should be able to resist and resolutely repel the invading U.S. forces.”

The use of atomic weapons, however, did tip the hand of the one person who had the power to overrule Japan’s military elite — namely, Hirohito himself. The shocking devastation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki only confirmed his private belief that Japan had nothing to gain by fighting on. On August 12, he told the imperial family the circumstances, “Do not lead me to believe that the military would be victorious in the Battle for the Home Islands.” The only option was to accept the conditions laid out the declaration made by the Big Three at their meeting at Potsdam, Germany, on July 26, that called for the surrender of Japan but left the issue of preserving Japan’s national polity, including the status of the Emperor, open.

The Japanese government had already rejected the Potsdam offer on July 28. But on August 10, two days after Nagasaki, the Japanese cabinet, headed by Prime Minister Kantaro Suzuki, issued an emergency telegram stating that it would accept the Potsdam declaration with the understanding that this did not compromise the Emperor’s future status. Secretary of State James Byrnes then issued a reply stating that the Emperor’s status and that of the Japanese government would be “subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied powers,” who would be Douglas MacArthur.

That assurance gave Hirohito the courage to overrule his military leaders and to tell the Japanese people in a nationwide broadcast on August 15 that they would have “to endure the unendurable” and accept surrender. Any remaining anxiety about the Emperor’s status was dispelled when a Japanese delegation arrived in Manila on August 19 to negotiate the final terms of surrender, and MacArthur made it clear that he had no intention of overturning Emperor Hirohito’s authority. “Through him it will be possible to maintain a completely orderly government” for rebuilding post-war Japan, the general explained.

In the end, Japan’s final surrender in World War II was due to three people: Secretary of State James Byrnes, General Douglas MacArthur, and Emperor Hirohito. If atomic bombs had not been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, however, Hirohito and his civilian leadership might never have had the courage to override a Japanese military that had largely taken over the government and was determined to fight to the last Japanese man, woman, and child. (A hardcore group of officers even tried unsuccessfully to kidnap the Emperor before his broadcast to the Japanese people.)

Indeed, the atomic bombs’ real contribution to peace was the implicit threat that the United States had more bombs ready to drop, which it did not. Intentional or not, the bluff worked, and prevented an invasion that would have led to American and Japanese deaths running into the millions. Australian historian Tom Lewis has recently estimated that worldwide it may have saved more than 32 million lives.

None of this, of course, makes any difference to Ms. Hannah-Jones or her intellectual guide Howard Zinn. The only remaining mystery is why she bothered to delete her tweet. Thus far the public and popular media have allowed her to get away with one counterfactual historical claim after another with impunity. Surely one more wouldn’t mar their record.