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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
Isn’t that the point though that the misses are guys from less well known or followed high schools and/or they don’t look like a preening pony on the field?
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:10 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
Isn’t that the point though that the misses are guys from less well known or followed high schools and/or they don’t look like a preening pony on the field?
Josh Byrne was an unknown entity from Canada and played for Nassau Community College before transferring to Hofstra.
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
that's quite a list of nr guys.
properly stratified, it's probably close to something like 4 of the top 10(11), then 4 for the next group of 40, then 4-5 depending for every 50 guys deep to 250 or so, if guys got rated that far down. and then some aa stragglers below 250.

and that's not including the top players in a school's class that go to marquette, vermont or colgate or wherever where their chances of making 1st 3 teams of aa are much slimmer regardless of ability or performance. but will never be rated "top 100".
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:10 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
Isn’t that the point though that the misses are guys from less well known or followed high schools and/or they don’t look like a preening pony on the field?
Kinda. If a guy has no impact on his college team for 3 seasons, the people evaluating him in HS were probably right to put him outside the top 100. Kudos to Salcido for continuing to work and get better.
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:52 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:10 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
Isn’t that the point though that the misses are guys from less well known or followed high schools and/or they don’t look like a preening pony on the field?
Kinda. If a guy has no impact on his college team for 3 seasons, the people evaluating him in HS were probably right to put him outside the top 100. Kudos to Salcido for continuing to work and get better.
Either way good for him but with the circular logic of recruits getting top 100 status often for the school they go to then you wouldn’t expect many to be high level AAs as underclassmen of course.

I think this kid should’ve gotten more attention than he has (and wish we could’ve ponied up like Jax did to get him)

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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:13 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:52 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:10 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
Isn’t that the point though that the misses are guys from less well known or followed high schools and/or they don’t look like a preening pony on the field?
Kinda. If a guy has no impact on his college team for 3 seasons, the people evaluating him in HS were probably right to put him outside the top 100. Kudos to Salcido for continuing to work and get better.
Either way good for him but with the circular logic of recruits getting top 100 status often for the school they go to then you wouldn’t expect many to be high level AAs as underclassmen of course.

I think this kid should’ve gotten more attention than he has (and wish we could’ve ponied up like Jax did to get him)

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... commitment
IL hasn't come out with their Power 100 for the current college freshmen class. I wonder if they're abandoning that altogether, or just waiting until closer to the spring so they can get more right. Xanders did that one year when he was on his own with Recruiting Rundown. I imagine there is a lot they weigh when they are ranking 100 guys including which club teams they played for and which coaches they are playing for now and how it will affect their relationship with those coaches and clubs if they don't rank a certain player.
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ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:13 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:52 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:10 pm
ohmilax34 wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:08 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:45 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:32 am
wgdsr wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:21 ammeaning 51-100?
Meaning 51 to 1,000….may have been worse than 51 so I went conservative. Posted about it on the old lax forum.

It stands to reason that the field was more likely than 50. I based in on AA status as a senior and only 1,2, 3 team and USILA
ok. so more likely that aa's were > 50 rated, not that any player was more likely to be aa outside of top 50.

i recently looked at 2021 aa's from the 2018 class. it's skewed as the ivies didn't play, but something like 2 guys in the top 45+ were aa. 1 or 2 more just under 50.

7 were aa outside of top 100 (not rated).

best guy in the class probably? handley @ 57.
These were the 2017 Seniors

2 Matt Rambo, A, La Salle College (Pa.), Maryland – 1st Team
8 Connor Cannizzaro, A, Cazenovia (N.Y.), Maryland – 2nd team

72 Dylan Molloy, A, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), Brown – 2nd Team
11 Colin Heacock, A, Boys’ Latin (Md.), Maryland – 3rd Team
NR – Josh Byrne – Hofstra – 3rd Team

Midfield (15 AA slots)
58 Sergio Perkovic, M, Brother Rice (Mich.), Notre Dame – 1st Team
34 Nick Mariano, A, Yorktown (N.Y.), UMass – 1st Team
NR- Sergio Salcido – Syracuse – 1st Team
NR – Isaiah Davis-Allen – Maryland – 1st Team

5 Zach Currier, M, Culver Academy (Ind.), Princeton – 2nd Team
59 Eric Scott, M, Ridge (N.J.), Yale – 2nd Team
62 Jack Adams, M, Hereford (Md.), Towson – 2nd Team
NR - Brian Sherlock – Loyola – 3rd Team


Defense (12 AA slots)
19 Austin Pifani, D, Abington (Pa.), North Carolina – 1st Team
56 Tim Muller, D, Chaminade (N.Y.), Maryland – 1st Team
57 Garrett Epple, D, Calvert Hall (Md.), Notre Dame – 1st Team

17 Scott Firman, LSM, Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), Syracuse – 2nd Team
14 Nick Fields, LSM, Bullis (Md.), Johns Hopkins – 3rd Team

NR – Chris Fennell – Navy – 3rd Team

Goalie
NR – Ben Pugh – Richmond -1st Team
NR – Tom Carey – Ohio State – 3rd Team
NR – Tate Boyce – Providence – 3rd Team
NR – Chris Carson-Banister – Boston U – 3rd Team


Face Off
NR - Jake Whithers – Ohio State
Ex goalies which always feels like a crapshoot (and Pugh would be obvious I guess), which is the most egregious miss among these?

Maybe Salcido or Malloy? IAD may jump out but I'm keeping in mind how AA is driven by team performance where you'd expect MD players to clean up on AA. Byrne?
I don't think it's fair to call Salcido a miss. He redshirted, spent two more seasons mostly on the bench, then exploded for great junior and senior seasons. I remember seeing his High School highlights and being really intrigued, because he was explosive and did everything for his high school team. But, he was small and not from a big HS lacrosse program.
Isn’t that the point though that the misses are guys from less well known or followed high schools and/or they don’t look like a preening pony on the field?
Kinda. If a guy has no impact on his college team for 3 seasons, the people evaluating him in HS were probably right to put him outside the top 100. Kudos to Salcido for continuing to work and get better.
Either way good for him but with the circular logic of recruits getting top 100 status often for the school they go to then you wouldn’t expect many to be high level AAs as underclassmen of course.

I think this kid should’ve gotten more attention than he has (and wish we could’ve ponied up like Jax did to get him)

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... commitment
IL hasn't come out with their Power 100 for the current college freshmen class. I wonder if they're abandoning that altogether, or just waiting until closer to the spring so they can get more right. Xanders did that one year when he was on his own with Recruiting Rundown. I imagine there is a lot they weigh when they are ranking 100 guys including which club teams they played for and which coaches they are playing for now and how it will affect their relationship with those coaches and clubs if they don't rank a certain player.
The cronyism in the sport is ridiculous.
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I think it might be worth considering they are doing as well as can be expected given resources available.
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OCanada wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:29 pm I think it might be worth considering they are doing as well as can be expected given resources available.
If that’s all it were it would be understandable.
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I haven’t followed the thread but what else is involved that is not present in other non-majors or even majors?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:18 pm #1 in the IL....call it a wash.
Not following; that was IL with that "ranking"...and I'm certainly on record that I don't think they get those right, beyond the top 10, maybe 20, each year as very likely, if healthy, to be strong contributors wherever they go. Beyond that it's a crapshoot.

That said, they even whiff in the top 10. UVA for instance had the #1 incoming tender that year, ranked 8th overall recruit all positions, but as it turned out, I don't think he was in the top 10 tenders for that particular class. Maybe not top 20. Happens.
The top 25. I like to look at which players were among the top 25 seniors in college as a barometer and which players outperformed their ranking relative to the others......

1. Case Matheis A Darien (Conn.) Duke - BUST
2. Bobby Duvnjak D Manhasset (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
3. Will McNamara M Haverford (Pa.) Virginia - BUST
4. Devin Dwyer A Garden City (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
5. James Pannell A Smithtown West (N.Y.) Virginia - Hit
6. Pat Kelly A Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
7. Spencer Parks M St. Paul's (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
8. Dan Marino G Garden City (N.Y.) Virginia - BUST
9. Bradlee Lord A Conestoga (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
10. Deemer Class M Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Duke - BOOM
11. Evan Connell D Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
12. Mikey Morris A Salisbury School (Conn.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
13. Steve Pontrello M St. Augustine (N.J.) North Carolina - Hit
14. Tanner Scales D Regis Jesuit (Colo.) Virginia - Hit
15. Ryan Palasek D Rocky Point (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit
16. Miles Thomas D Conestoga (Pa.) Drexel - BUST
17. Henry West M Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST
18. Jake Froccaro M Port Washington (N.Y.) Princeton - BOOM
19. Jamie Ikeda D Conestoga (Pa.) Duke - BUST
20. Michael Tagliaferri M San Ramon Valley (Calif.) North Carolina - Hit
21. Connor Reed M Gonzaga (D.C.) Johns Hopkins- Hit
22. Ian Ardrey A Deerfield (Mass.) Harvard - BUST
23. Sammy Davis M Governor's Academy (Mass.) Penn State - BUST
24. Kieran Burke G St. Anthony's (N.Y.) North Carolina - Hit
25. Sam Llinares A Hauppauge (N.Y.) Hofstra - Hit
26. Robby Haus D Gilman (Md.) Ohio State - BUST
27. Walker Kirby D Lawrenceville (N.J.) Harvard - BUST
28. Zach Powers D Upper Arlington (Ohio) North Carolina - BUST
29. Luke Aaron G Deerfield (Mass.) Duke - BUST
30. Ryan Brown A Calvert Hall (Md.) Johns Hopkins - BOOM
31. Gordie Koerber A Gilman (Md.) Denver - BUST
32. Tim Stackpole D St. Anthony's (N.Y.) Army - Hit
33. Brent Armstrong M St. Stephen's & St. Agnes (Va.) North Carolina - BUST
34. Tommy Forsberg M John Glenn-Elwood (N.Y.) Maryland - BUST
35. Ryan Lehman D Garnet Valley (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
36. Jake Matthai M Gilman (Md.) North Carolina - Hit
37. Tony Britton D Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST
38. Nick Doktor A Irondequoit (N.Y.) Penn - Hit
39. Will Ryan G Avon Old Farms (Conn.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
40. Connor Frisina A Conestoga (Pa.) Delaware - BUST
42. Tom Moore A West Islip (N.Y.) Denver - BUST
43. Alex Joyce G Landon (Md.) Georgetown - BUST
44. Brendan Gaughan A La Costa Canyon (Calif.) Michigan - BUST
45. Sam Rohr M Haverford (Pa.) Penn - BUST
46. Zach Wood M Metea Valley (Ill.) Virginia - BUST
47. Charlie Schnider M Landon (Md.) Ohio State - BUST
48. Kelton Black M Calvert Hall (Md.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
49. Trevor Brosco M Shoreham-Wading River (N.Y.) Notre Dame - BUST
50. Max Randall D Duxbury (Mass.) Dartmouth - BUST
51. Patric Berkery M Garden City (N.Y.) Penn - BUST
52. Sean McDonagh A St. Anthony's (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
53. Zach Herreweyers A Hill Academy (Ont.) Loyola - Hit
54. Matt Sexton A Niskayuna (N.Y.) Penn State - BUST
55. Kylor Bellistri A Bullis (Md.) Brown - Hit
56. Matt Schultz A Smithtown West (N.Y.) Stony Brook - BUST
57. Warner Bailey D Haverford (Pa.) Georgetown - BUST
58. Conor Gately A Yorktown (N.Y.) Marquette - BOOM
59. Henry Blynn A Haverford (Pa.) Brown - BOOM
60. Matt Florence M Kent Denver (Colo.) Virginia - BUST
61. John Edmonds M Ward Melville (N.Y.) Cornell - Hit
62. Tyler Avallone G Mendham (N.J.) Syracuse - BUST
63. Jack Kelly G West Islip (N.Y.) Brown - BOOM
64. Eddie Morris D Malvern Prep (Pa.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
65. Bob Fahey D Bishop Guertin (N.H.) UMass - BUST
66. Matt Landis D Pelham (N.Y.) Notre Dame - BOOM
67. Matt O'Connor G Lawrenceville (N.J.) Princeton - BUST
68. Deke Burns A Jamesville DeWitt (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
69. Tyler Brooke A Conestoga (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
70. Chris Mahoney D Shoreham-Wading River (N.Y.) Ohio State - Hit
71. Derek DeJoe M Fairport (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit
72. Dickson Smith D Holderness (Mass.) Virginia - BUST
73. Tripp Telesco D Ridgewood (N.J.) Lehigh - Hit
74. Blaze Riorden G Fairport (N.Y.) Albany - BOOM
75. Tommy Labidini M Salisbury School (Conn.) Loyola - BUST
76. Danny Simonetti M Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.) Navy - BUST
77. Reilly Naton D Duxbury (Mass.) Yale - BUST
78. Luke Miller D Gonzaga (D.C.) Hobart - BUST
79. T.J. Neubauer M Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Fairfield - BUST
80. Sean Doyle A Torrey Pines (Calif.) Cornell - BUST
81. Bud Graham A Culver Academy (Ind.) Hobart - BUST
82. Paul Hellar A Duxbury (Mass.) Fairfield - BUST
83. Chris Panichelli D Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) Drexel - BUST
84. Ryan Matthews M Manhasset (N.Y.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
85. Sean Doyle A Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.) Bucknell - Hit
86. Mike Howard D Collegiate (Va.) Virginia - Hit
87. Brian Sherlock M St. Anthony's (N.Y.) North Carolina - BUST
88. Ryan Ambler A Abington (Pa.) Princeton - BOOM
89. Matt Dunn D Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Maryland - BOOM
90. Sean Connors A Deerfield (Mass.) Princeton - BUST
91. Hank Brown M Landon (Md.) Drexel - BUST
92. Tim Barber M West Genesee (N.Y.) Marquette - BUST
93. Jordan Cunningham D Lovett School (Ga.) Denver - BUST
94. Justin Verratti D Salesianum (Del.) Loyola - BUST
95. Matt Graham M Chaminade (N.Y.) Michigan - BUST
96. Kyle Trolley M Culver Academy (Ind.) Notre Dame - BUST
97. Michael Bonacci A St. Mary's (Md.) Yale - BUST
98. Rob Savage M Garden City (N.Y.) Penn - BUST
99. Greg Stamatov G Foxborough (Mass.) Villanova - BUST
100. T.J. Sanders A Millbrook (N.Y.) Penn State - Hit

Yeah 30% seems fair. Although that top 10 is brutal and this not a very star studded class.
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Case Mathies was not a “bust”…95 goals and 95 assists for 190 points in 66 starts (76 games) is not a player that wasn’t any good. Devin Dwyer was good too….3rd team AA his senior year.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016 ... r-feature/

Neubaur had 3 consecutive years of 30+ goals. I watched him in college a lot. He was good.
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Not sure I agree with your Bust assessments. Devin Dwyer was one of the best attackmen in the Ivy League. Not sure his final stats but he was a four year starter and had close to 200 points in his career. Great QB on that offense.

Tom Moore was a monster but had some injuries at Denver. Transferred twice (Jacksonville and Binghamton) but ended up with a 70+ point season his senior year. He was impossible to stop. Under the radar guy.

And Brian Sherlock transferred to Loyola and was one of the most productive middies for four years on some terrific teams.

I’m sure you’ll hear about more of these “busts” as the day goes on. Tough assessments imo.
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Henpecked wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:09 am Not sure I agree with your Bust assessments. Devin Dwyer was one of the best attackmen in the Ivy League. Not sure his final stats but he was a four year starter and had close to 200 points in his career. Great QB on that offense.

Tom Moore was a monster but had some injuries at Denver. Transferred twice (Jacksonville and Binghamton) but ended up with a 70+ point season his senior year. He was impossible to stop. Under the radar guy.

And Brian Sherlock transferred to Loyola and was one of the most productive middies for four years on some terrific teams.

I’m sure you’ll hear about more of these “busts” as the day goes on. Tough assessments imo.
Pat Berkery injured his knee in the Under Armour game and was never the same. As much as I liked Connor Reed, not sure how he can be a hit while some other guys were bust (dwyer and Mathies each had close to 200 points in their careers.). Mathies didn’t play to his rankings but if he were #15 in stead of #1 he may have been a “boom”. He was very productive in college despite not having an offense built around him. I used to argue this point with a friend.
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InsiderRoll wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:33 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:18 pm #1 in the IL....call it a wash.
Not following; that was IL with that "ranking"...and I'm certainly on record that I don't think they get those right, beyond the top 10, maybe 20, each year as very likely, if healthy, to be strong contributors wherever they go. Beyond that it's a crapshoot.

That said, they even whiff in the top 10. UVA for instance had the #1 incoming tender that year, ranked 8th overall recruit all positions, but as it turned out, I don't think he was in the top 10 tenders for that particular class. Maybe not top 20. Happens.
The top 25. I like to look at which players were among the top 25 seniors in college as a barometer and which players outperformed their ranking relative to the others......

1. Case Matheis A Darien (Conn.) Duke - BUST
2. Bobby Duvnjak D Manhasset (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
3. Will McNamara M Haverford (Pa.) Virginia - BUST
4. Devin Dwyer A Garden City (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
5. James Pannell A Smithtown West (N.Y.) Virginia - Hit
6. Pat Kelly A Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
7. Spencer Parks M St. Paul's (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
8. Dan Marino G Garden City (N.Y.) Virginia - BUST
9. Bradlee Lord A Conestoga (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
10. Deemer Class M Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Duke - BOOM
11. Evan Connell D Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
12. Mikey Morris A Salisbury School (Conn.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
13. Steve Pontrello M St. Augustine (N.J.) North Carolina - Hit
14. Tanner Scales D Regis Jesuit (Colo.) Virginia - Hit
15. Ryan Palasek D Rocky Point (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit
16. Miles Thomas D Conestoga (Pa.) Drexel - BUST
17. Henry West M Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST
18. Jake Froccaro M Port Washington (N.Y.) Princeton - BOOM
19. Jamie Ikeda D Conestoga (Pa.) Duke - BUST
20. Michael Tagliaferri M San Ramon Valley (Calif.) North Carolina - Hit
21. Connor Reed M Gonzaga (D.C.) Johns Hopkins- Hit
22. Ian Ardrey A Deerfield (Mass.) Harvard - BUST
23. Sammy Davis M Governor's Academy (Mass.) Penn State - BUST
24. Kieran Burke G St. Anthony's (N.Y.) North Carolina - Hit
25. Sam Llinares A Hauppauge (N.Y.) Hofstra - Hit
26. Robby Haus D Gilman (Md.) Ohio State - BUST
27. Walker Kirby D Lawrenceville (N.J.) Harvard - BUST
28. Zach Powers D Upper Arlington (Ohio) North Carolina - BUST
29. Luke Aaron G Deerfield (Mass.) Duke - BUST
30. Ryan Brown A Calvert Hall (Md.) Johns Hopkins - BOOM
31. Gordie Koerber A Gilman (Md.) Denver - BUST
32. Tim Stackpole D St. Anthony's (N.Y.) Army - Hit
33. Brent Armstrong M St. Stephen's & St. Agnes (Va.) North Carolina - BUST
34. Tommy Forsberg M John Glenn-Elwood (N.Y.) Maryland - BUST
35. Ryan Lehman D Garnet Valley (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
36. Jake Matthai M Gilman (Md.) North Carolina - Hit
37. Tony Britton D Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST
38. Nick Doktor A Irondequoit (N.Y.) Penn - Hit
39. Will Ryan G Avon Old Farms (Conn.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
40. Connor Frisina A Conestoga (Pa.) Delaware - BUST
42. Tom Moore A West Islip (N.Y.) Denver - BUST
43. Alex Joyce G Landon (Md.) Georgetown - BUST
44. Brendan Gaughan A La Costa Canyon (Calif.) Michigan - BUST
45. Sam Rohr M Haverford (Pa.) Penn - BUST
46. Zach Wood M Metea Valley (Ill.) Virginia - BUST
47. Charlie Schnider M Landon (Md.) Ohio State - BUST
48. Kelton Black M Calvert Hall (Md.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
49. Trevor Brosco M Shoreham-Wading River (N.Y.) Notre Dame - BUST
50. Max Randall D Duxbury (Mass.) Dartmouth - BUST
51. Patric Berkery M Garden City (N.Y.) Penn - BUST
52. Sean McDonagh A St. Anthony's (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
53. Zach Herreweyers A Hill Academy (Ont.) Loyola - Hit
54. Matt Sexton A Niskayuna (N.Y.) Penn State - BUST
55. Kylor Bellistri A Bullis (Md.) Brown - Hit
56. Matt Schultz A Smithtown West (N.Y.) Stony Brook - BUST
57. Warner Bailey D Haverford (Pa.) Georgetown - BUST
58. Conor Gately A Yorktown (N.Y.) Marquette - BOOM
59. Henry Blynn A Haverford (Pa.) Brown - BOOM
60. Matt Florence M Kent Denver (Colo.) Virginia - BUST
61. John Edmonds M Ward Melville (N.Y.) Cornell - Hit
62. Tyler Avallone G Mendham (N.J.) Syracuse - BUST
63. Jack Kelly G West Islip (N.Y.) Brown - BOOM
64. Eddie Morris D Malvern Prep (Pa.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
65. Bob Fahey D Bishop Guertin (N.H.) UMass - BUST
66. Matt Landis D Pelham (N.Y.) Notre Dame - BOOM
67. Matt O'Connor G Lawrenceville (N.J.) Princeton - BUST
68. Deke Burns A Jamesville DeWitt (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
69. Tyler Brooke A Conestoga (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
70. Chris Mahoney D Shoreham-Wading River (N.Y.) Ohio State - Hit
71. Derek DeJoe M Fairport (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit
72. Dickson Smith D Holderness (Mass.) Virginia - BUST
73. Tripp Telesco D Ridgewood (N.J.) Lehigh - Hit
74. Blaze Riorden G Fairport (N.Y.) Albany - BOOM
75. Tommy Labidini M Salisbury School (Conn.) Loyola - BUST
76. Danny Simonetti M Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.) Navy - BUST
77. Reilly Naton D Duxbury (Mass.) Yale - BUST
78. Luke Miller D Gonzaga (D.C.) Hobart - BUST
79. T.J. Neubauer M Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Fairfield - BUST
80. Sean Doyle A Torrey Pines (Calif.) Cornell - BUST
81. Bud Graham A Culver Academy (Ind.) Hobart - BUST
82. Paul Hellar A Duxbury (Mass.) Fairfield - BUST
83. Chris Panichelli D Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) Drexel - BUST
84. Ryan Matthews M Manhasset (N.Y.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
85. Sean Doyle A Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.) Bucknell - Hit
86. Mike Howard D Collegiate (Va.) Virginia - Hit
87. Brian Sherlock M St. Anthony's (N.Y.) North Carolina - BUST
88. Ryan Ambler A Abington (Pa.) Princeton - BOOM
89. Matt Dunn D Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Maryland - BOOM
90. Sean Connors A Deerfield (Mass.) Princeton - BUST
91. Hank Brown M Landon (Md.) Drexel - BUST
92. Tim Barber M West Genesee (N.Y.) Marquette - BUST
93. Jordan Cunningham D Lovett School (Ga.) Denver - BUST
94. Justin Verratti D Salesianum (Del.) Loyola - BUST
95. Matt Graham M Chaminade (N.Y.) Michigan - BUST
96. Kyle Trolley M Culver Academy (Ind.) Notre Dame - BUST
97. Michael Bonacci A St. Mary's (Md.) Yale - BUST
98. Rob Savage M Garden City (N.Y.) Penn - BUST
99. Greg Stamatov G Foxborough (Mass.) Villanova - BUST
100. T.J. Sanders A Millbrook (N.Y.) Penn State - Hit

Yeah 30% seems fair. Although that top 10 is brutal and this not a very star studded class.
Besides the other ones mentioned, these are wrong.

6. Pat Kelly A Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST

Kelly was a very good 1st line middie for the UNC 2016 national championship team

15. Ryan Palasek D Rocky Point (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit

Palasek hardly played at all for SU.

17. Henry West M Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST

Had a productive career at Cornell

26. Robby Haus D Gilman (Md.) Ohio State - BUST

3rd team all american.

28. Zach Powers D Upper Arlington (Ohio) North Carolina - BUST

Pretty sure he started on D for the 2016 NC UNC team.

50. Max Randall D Duxbury (Mass.) Dartmouth - BUST

Multi-year starter.

92. Tim Barber M West Genesee (N.Y.) Marquette - BUST

Considering you had Dejoe (a lesser player who was ranked higher) as a hit, this one makes no sense. Barber was a key player on the 2016 SU team that won the ACC tournament championship.
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Duvnjak and Dwyer were studs on an underperforming team....Both would have been AA if they played in the ACC...Now they are probably First Team All-Wall Street....
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ohmilax34 wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:00 am
InsiderRoll wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:33 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:18 pm #1 in the IL....call it a wash.
Not following; that was IL with that "ranking"...and I'm certainly on record that I don't think they get those right, beyond the top 10, maybe 20, each year as very likely, if healthy, to be strong contributors wherever they go. Beyond that it's a crapshoot.

That said, they even whiff in the top 10. UVA for instance had the #1 incoming tender that year, ranked 8th overall recruit all positions, but as it turned out, I don't think he was in the top 10 tenders for that particular class. Maybe not top 20. Happens.
The top 25. I like to look at which players were among the top 25 seniors in college as a barometer and which players outperformed their ranking relative to the others......

1. Case Matheis A Darien (Conn.) Duke - BUST
2. Bobby Duvnjak D Manhasset (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
3. Will McNamara M Haverford (Pa.) Virginia - BUST
4. Devin Dwyer A Garden City (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
5. James Pannell A Smithtown West (N.Y.) Virginia - Hit
6. Pat Kelly A Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
7. Spencer Parks M St. Paul's (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
8. Dan Marino G Garden City (N.Y.) Virginia - BUST
9. Bradlee Lord A Conestoga (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
10. Deemer Class M Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Duke - BOOM
11. Evan Connell D Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST
12. Mikey Morris A Salisbury School (Conn.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
13. Steve Pontrello M St. Augustine (N.J.) North Carolina - Hit
14. Tanner Scales D Regis Jesuit (Colo.) Virginia - Hit
15. Ryan Palasek D Rocky Point (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit
16. Miles Thomas D Conestoga (Pa.) Drexel - BUST
17. Henry West M Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST
18. Jake Froccaro M Port Washington (N.Y.) Princeton - BOOM
19. Jamie Ikeda D Conestoga (Pa.) Duke - BUST
20. Michael Tagliaferri M San Ramon Valley (Calif.) North Carolina - Hit
21. Connor Reed M Gonzaga (D.C.) Johns Hopkins- Hit
22. Ian Ardrey A Deerfield (Mass.) Harvard - BUST
23. Sammy Davis M Governor's Academy (Mass.) Penn State - BUST
24. Kieran Burke G St. Anthony's (N.Y.) North Carolina - Hit
25. Sam Llinares A Hauppauge (N.Y.) Hofstra - Hit
26. Robby Haus D Gilman (Md.) Ohio State - BUST
27. Walker Kirby D Lawrenceville (N.J.) Harvard - BUST
28. Zach Powers D Upper Arlington (Ohio) North Carolina - BUST
29. Luke Aaron G Deerfield (Mass.) Duke - BUST
30. Ryan Brown A Calvert Hall (Md.) Johns Hopkins - BOOM
31. Gordie Koerber A Gilman (Md.) Denver - BUST
32. Tim Stackpole D St. Anthony's (N.Y.) Army - Hit
33. Brent Armstrong M St. Stephen's & St. Agnes (Va.) North Carolina - BUST
34. Tommy Forsberg M John Glenn-Elwood (N.Y.) Maryland - BUST
35. Ryan Lehman D Garnet Valley (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
36. Jake Matthai M Gilman (Md.) North Carolina - Hit
37. Tony Britton D Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST
38. Nick Doktor A Irondequoit (N.Y.) Penn - Hit
39. Will Ryan G Avon Old Farms (Conn.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
40. Connor Frisina A Conestoga (Pa.) Delaware - BUST
42. Tom Moore A West Islip (N.Y.) Denver - BUST
43. Alex Joyce G Landon (Md.) Georgetown - BUST
44. Brendan Gaughan A La Costa Canyon (Calif.) Michigan - BUST
45. Sam Rohr M Haverford (Pa.) Penn - BUST
46. Zach Wood M Metea Valley (Ill.) Virginia - BUST
47. Charlie Schnider M Landon (Md.) Ohio State - BUST
48. Kelton Black M Calvert Hall (Md.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
49. Trevor Brosco M Shoreham-Wading River (N.Y.) Notre Dame - BUST
50. Max Randall D Duxbury (Mass.) Dartmouth - BUST
51. Patric Berkery M Garden City (N.Y.) Penn - BUST
52. Sean McDonagh A St. Anthony's (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
53. Zach Herreweyers A Hill Academy (Ont.) Loyola - Hit
54. Matt Sexton A Niskayuna (N.Y.) Penn State - BUST
55. Kylor Bellistri A Bullis (Md.) Brown - Hit
56. Matt Schultz A Smithtown West (N.Y.) Stony Brook - BUST
57. Warner Bailey D Haverford (Pa.) Georgetown - BUST
58. Conor Gately A Yorktown (N.Y.) Marquette - BOOM
59. Henry Blynn A Haverford (Pa.) Brown - BOOM
60. Matt Florence M Kent Denver (Colo.) Virginia - BUST
61. John Edmonds M Ward Melville (N.Y.) Cornell - Hit
62. Tyler Avallone G Mendham (N.J.) Syracuse - BUST
63. Jack Kelly G West Islip (N.Y.) Brown - BOOM
64. Eddie Morris D Malvern Prep (Pa.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
65. Bob Fahey D Bishop Guertin (N.H.) UMass - BUST
66. Matt Landis D Pelham (N.Y.) Notre Dame - BOOM
67. Matt O'Connor G Lawrenceville (N.J.) Princeton - BUST
68. Deke Burns A Jamesville DeWitt (N.Y.) Harvard - BUST
69. Tyler Brooke A Conestoga (Pa.) Maryland - BUST
70. Chris Mahoney D Shoreham-Wading River (N.Y.) Ohio State - Hit
71. Derek DeJoe M Fairport (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit
72. Dickson Smith D Holderness (Mass.) Virginia - BUST
73. Tripp Telesco D Ridgewood (N.J.) Lehigh - Hit
74. Blaze Riorden G Fairport (N.Y.) Albany - BOOM
75. Tommy Labidini M Salisbury School (Conn.) Loyola - BUST
76. Danny Simonetti M Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.) Navy - BUST
77. Reilly Naton D Duxbury (Mass.) Yale - BUST
78. Luke Miller D Gonzaga (D.C.) Hobart - BUST
79. T.J. Neubauer M Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Fairfield - BUST
80. Sean Doyle A Torrey Pines (Calif.) Cornell - BUST
81. Bud Graham A Culver Academy (Ind.) Hobart - BUST
82. Paul Hellar A Duxbury (Mass.) Fairfield - BUST
83. Chris Panichelli D Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) Drexel - BUST
84. Ryan Matthews M Manhasset (N.Y.) Johns Hopkins - BUST
85. Sean Doyle A Cold Spring Harbor (N.Y.) Bucknell - Hit
86. Mike Howard D Collegiate (Va.) Virginia - Hit
87. Brian Sherlock M St. Anthony's (N.Y.) North Carolina - BUST
88. Ryan Ambler A Abington (Pa.) Princeton - BOOM
89. Matt Dunn D Loyola Blakefield (Md.) Maryland - BOOM
90. Sean Connors A Deerfield (Mass.) Princeton - BUST
91. Hank Brown M Landon (Md.) Drexel - BUST
92. Tim Barber M West Genesee (N.Y.) Marquette - BUST
93. Jordan Cunningham D Lovett School (Ga.) Denver - BUST
94. Justin Verratti D Salesianum (Del.) Loyola - BUST
95. Matt Graham M Chaminade (N.Y.) Michigan - BUST
96. Kyle Trolley M Culver Academy (Ind.) Notre Dame - BUST
97. Michael Bonacci A St. Mary's (Md.) Yale - BUST
98. Rob Savage M Garden City (N.Y.) Penn - BUST
99. Greg Stamatov G Foxborough (Mass.) Villanova - BUST
100. T.J. Sanders A Millbrook (N.Y.) Penn State - Hit

Yeah 30% seems fair. Although that top 10 is brutal and this not a very star studded class.
Besides the other ones mentioned, these are wrong.

6. Pat Kelly A Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST

Kelly was a very good 1st line middie for the UNC 2016 national championship team

15. Ryan Palasek D Rocky Point (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit

Palasek hardly played at all for SU.

17. Henry West M Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST

Had a productive career at Cornell

26. Robby Haus D Gilman (Md.) Ohio State - BUST

3rd team all american.

28. Zach Powers D Upper Arlington (Ohio) North Carolina - BUST

Pretty sure he started on D for the 2016 NC UNC team.

50. Max Randall D Duxbury (Mass.) Dartmouth - BUST

Multi-year starter.

92. Tim Barber M West Genesee (N.Y.) Marquette - BUST

Considering you had Dejoe (a lesser player who was ranked higher) as a hit, this one makes no sense. Barber was a key player on the 2016 SU team that won the ACC tournament championship.
West transferred to Maryland. Not sure if he played one or two years at Cornell. You could argue Kelly and West didn’t play to their ranking but it would be an argument.
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Re: Virginia Lacrosse 2022

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:17 am
ohmilax34 wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:00 am
InsiderRoll wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:33 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:18 pm #1 in the IL....call it a wash.
Not following; that was IL with that "ranking"...and I'm certainly on record that I don't think they get those right, beyond the top 10, maybe 20, each year as very likely, if healthy, to be strong contributors wherever they go. Beyond that it's a crapshoot.

That said, they even whiff in the top 10. UVA for instance had the #1 incoming tender that year, ranked 8th overall recruit all positions, but as it turned out, I don't think he was in the top 10 tenders for that particular class. Maybe not top 20. Happens.
The top 25. I like to look at which players were among the top 25 seniors in college as a barometer and which players outperformed their ranking relative to the others......


Yeah 30% seems fair. Although that top 10 is brutal and this not a very star studded class.
Besides the other ones mentioned, these are wrong.

6. Pat Kelly A Calvert Hall (Md.) North Carolina - BUST

Kelly was a very good 1st line middie for the UNC 2016 national championship team

15. Ryan Palasek D Rocky Point (N.Y.) Syracuse - Hit

Palasek hardly played at all for SU.

17. Henry West M Darien (Conn.) Cornell - BUST

Had a productive career at Cornell

26. Robby Haus D Gilman (Md.) Ohio State - BUST

3rd team all american.

28. Zach Powers D Upper Arlington (Ohio) North Carolina - BUST

Pretty sure he started on D for the 2016 NC UNC team.

50. Max Randall D Duxbury (Mass.) Dartmouth - BUST

Multi-year starter.

92. Tim Barber M West Genesee (N.Y.) Marquette - BUST

Considering you had Dejoe (a lesser player who was ranked higher) as a hit, this one makes no sense. Barber was a key player on the 2016 SU team that won the ACC tournament championship.
West transferred to Maryland. Not sure if he played one or two years at Cornell. You could argue Kelly and West didn’t play to their ranking but it would be an argument.
Right, and these are rankings, not ratings. Kelly was one of the best college middies his senior year. Sure, he was not a multi year first team all american, but hardly anybody from this list was. People take these rankings to imply that a top 20 player will dominate at the college level, forgetting that there are 3+ classes of players older than them already in college that were ranked high and players that were coming in under the radar who were just as good or late bloomers.
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