JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:09 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:14 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:04 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:49 pm
Poster's like myself, tech37, YA, OS, C&S and other's are made to feel as if were are uneducated fools because we question the narrow minded narrative that permeates this thread. ggait is the worst offender of the bunch. He is a as divisive as the come. I bet he doesn't have the cojones to say some of the things he says about "Mouth-Breathers" to their face. For a so called lawyer his posts are incredibly petty and full of hatred. Who the hell gives a turd if Aaron Rodgers is unvaccinated or not? Who they hell care's if he lied to his team or wasn't following the protocols.
Every poster you mentioned is vaccinated, Joe.
And GGait, myself, and others are not full of hatred. They're sick of watching their fellow Americans die because they're getting suckered by nonsense they read on the internet. It's frustrating.
The alternative position, which you have been advocating from the beginning, is to not care if their fellow Americans live or die.
You understand that that's your message, right? You're telling me that I should say: "who cares if unvaxxed Americans are dying, my family is vaccinated."
That's pretty cold, imho.
Why are you speaking as if you assume that's my position? Get off your pulpit. I understand your more upset than other's because of how a bad case of CV-19 could ruin your career. You are in a unique situation with your profession, stop projecting that fear on to this thread. That's what get's you angry, that you could lose your livelihood on the small chance you lose your sense of smell and it never comes back. So you did the right thing and got vaccinated. Bottom line, you protected yourself. Heck, everybody on this site is vaccinated, but you would never know that because advocating that their exists a healthy population that is unvaccinated yet ARE NOT mouth-breather's is not the end of the world. There is always a subsection of the population that is hesitant, they have certain things they need to make themselves ok with before they make their own personal decision. You think everything is black or white. You attack poster's as if you are the moral authority. Stay safe.
Joe
Um. You just finished attacking other posters as if you are the moral authority. On your pulpit, lecturing others. Self aware much?
And you’re way off with your assertion about my profession affecting why I’m angry at antivaxxers. I can get covid from both vaxxed and unvaxxed, my man. So you’re wrong about why I’m angry…doubly so because I just told you why I’m angry.
Im angry, for the second time, because I’m tired of people succumbing to disinformation from the internet that’s leading them to not take the vaxx.
And I’m sorry mate, but whether you understand it or not, you are telling me not to care about these people’s misinformed choices. You’re telling me to live on and not care that my fellow Americans are dying of disinformation.
As tempting as it is? Hard pass. I don’t want Rogers to die or get a bad case of covid. Mea culpa
Do you really think that Rodgers want's that to happen either? You act as if you think he's inviting it. You talk about disinformation, how about the alarming lack of messaging. Eat right, lose weight, exercise, get fresh air. Take your vitamins, stay active. I haven't heard that once during this entire pandemic. It's no coincidence that the most unhealthy are almost always the ones that have a bad outcome when they contract covid. But, no, let's worry about a world-class athlete contracting covid and not Johnny Smith who is 12 and 350 pounds and highly unhealthy. SMH.
Joe
Joe,
I really think you'd be happier not engaging here. But ok.
I think you're quite mistaken on a number of aspects, but let me start with the idea that no one has communicated "Eat right, lose weight, exercise, get fresh air." or some such sound advice. Quite the contrary.
Right from early days in the pandemic, as it became clear that the odds of hospitalization and death went up quite a lot among those with obesity and related diseases, heart disease, diabetes, etc as well as other sources of immune system compromise, we talked on here about the things we can all do to prevent such issues. I, specifically, shared that my company is focused on healthier eating as the key lever to the more than 50% of all healthcare costs we experience in the USA which are due to these nutritionally related chronic diseases.
We produced quite a lot of communications materials, webinars, etc which our clients (employers and health plans) used to communicate with their constituents about Covid and immune health more generally, and the steps we can all take to bolster and strengthen our immune systems. Plus of course using our system to plan and shop ahead, more meals made at home, less fast food and takeout.
Now, if you're saying that our overall US system has long neglected the importance of healthier eating and other positive lifestyle choices, and indeed structured incentives that foster more, rather than less, consumption of 'sugar, fat, and salt'...particularly sugar, more addictive than cocaine, we'd be in complete agreement. The Big Food and Big Sugar lobbies are very powerful.
I think you'd find widespread agreement on here that this issue has long been neglected as the priority it really should be, whether as individuals or a society more generally.
But 'most unhealthy' also includes older people generally, not just those with obesity related chronic diseases, as well as other immune suppressing issues that are actually entirely outside of their control. Vulnerable. And those of us who
choose to reduce the chances of spreading the virus to them (and to those with those more controllable issues), whether directly or to someone else who does, often quite unknowingly, rather than taking no responsibility at all for our neighbors, family, and friends are not "fools" nor do we think only in "back and white".
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Rodgers is likely to die from Covid. Indeed, I doubt there's much concern for him at all on here, given that he made this conscious choice for himself.
The reaction is that, unlike you or me or most anyone else on here, Rodgers has an enormous public platform that comes with that enormous paycheck as a celebrity athlete. He, again unlike most people, actually does have the power to influence others and their decisions.
And his example, full throatedly defended by him now, is that he only cares about himself (and that he's convinced of some rather idiotic claptrap) and instead doesn't have any responsibility to his neighbors, family and friends...or to the public over which he has influence.
And he lied.
So, is this a guy to admire, to follow, in his expounding the aforementioned claptrap? For instance, should his recommendation of an insurance company be considered in the same light...or is his recommendation now a tarnish on any such's otherwise sound reputation?
