Ivy League 2022

[Sidelinehorn!]

Fanboy Terry Foy all over the jock of Gerry Byrne.....

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ard-/58564

He must be really desperate for a new angle with Cuse and Hopkins being mediocre at best...

[FannOLax]

Fanboy Terry Foy all over the jock of Jerry Byrne.....

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ard-/58564

He must be really desperate for a new angle with Cuse and Hopkins being mediocre at best...

"The countdown is on and when the Crimson take the field in February, they’ll be one of the most compelling teams to watch during the 2022 season." Hmmm, so in February we'll be able to watch them during the entire 2022 season? Or sumpthin. Under the previous coach, Harvard consistently under-delivered, and/or maybe proved that IL rankings of HS players were very imperfect. A new head coach (well, at least in terms of games coached) offers hope that the Crimson could improve. "Compelling" sounds positive, enthusiastic, while also hedging bets.

[HopFan16]

"Most compelling team in the nation" is a huge stretch but I'm not convinced IL undeservedly loves them any more than they do other programs. They've been accused of being too friendly toward Syracuse, Hopkins, Notre Dame, Duke, Rutgers, Yale, and others in recent years. At some point you begin to realize they aren't really biased toward any single team but instead are just very uncritical of basically all the programs they cover. I'd file this fawning characterization alongside Carc's "best midfielder in the country!" trope, which he's said about like five different guys in a single season, as simply part of mainstream lacrosse media's attempt to ingratiate itself with the people/teams it covers. Today it's Harvard, tomorrow it'll be Navy, the day after it'll be someone else.

[faircornell]

The redeeming factor in this fawning article (as I've noted before) is that the Cantab program seems to be focused on basics, and seems to have moved away from the environment that resulted in off field distractions during the past few seasons.

I don't know if that will be enough to face Yale, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Princeton (and possibly a newly competitive Dartmouth), but it's a breath of fresh air.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The redeeming factor in this fawning article (as I've noted before) is that the Cantab program seems to be focused on basics, and seems to have moved away from the environment that resulted in off field distractions during the past few seasons.

I don't know if that will be enough to face Yale, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Princeton (and possibly a newly competitive Dartmouth), but it's a breath of fresh air.

I heard Cornell looked good against Maryland. Cornell guy stopped by yesterday. He was at the scrimmage.

[MDlaxfan76]

Agreed re hyperbole re Harvard. Typical.

I was at the practice and both scrimmages with my son.

Let's just say, they have the right guy for the picture. Best player on field. #7.

Not sure what he saw with the freshman attack man, didn't notice him at all during the scrimmages really, but King again and again and again...felt like a dozen goals every which way, multiple assists...the attack is definitely their strong suit as Madronic is first rate and Cheek is, not unsurprisingly, very good as well. My son remarked to Hayden's mom and dad, that it was easy to spot him on the field as his shoulders look so similar to Morgan's. Hayden's not as big yet, and may have some knee issues, but very smooth. But the key spark is King, exciting. But the writer may well be correct that Hilsenrath will get time and be very good. Certainly his HS ball would suggest as much.

I understand liking the sophomore Barnard in net, very active and athletic, but the senior tender Mullin is really, really solid. Excellent technique, quiet hands and feet, and very calming presence; big and covers a whole lot of net with simple position and technique...strong communication and clearing. He was the best stopper I saw that weekend, though I was only at the Harvard scrimmages. Team played much better with him behind them. But deep goalie corps.

I'm an Isaiah Dawson fan, 6'2, 205, fast and smooth midfielder. His dad said he thought the Covid break might well have been good for him as it gave him some time to recover from some injuries that had had hurt his self confidence, something that his dad thought was much improved.

Several other midfielders looked very dangerous as well. They were considerably more athletic than Richmond, though I'm not sure what that says. The prior scrimmage with High Point seemed more even athletically, but part of that was HPU was more even at X and they have a really good AA attack man who carried a lot of the weight. And IMO, Mullin in net in the second scrimmage set a real tone, as some early stops and clears made it look easy. And King lit it up at the other end with some spectacular stuff, so just seemed more noticeable to me.

The defensive write-up sounds right, only saw one really good LSM, and defenders looked solid, not spectacular. But some guys were good on ball and off ball, a couple looked good off the ground...but I wouldn't call it their strong suit. Clearing was bit rough at times.

[faircornell]

The redeeming factor in this fawning article (as I've noted before) is that the Cantab program seems to be focused on basics, and seems to have moved away from the environment that resulted in off field distractions during the past few seasons.

I don't know if that will be enough to face Yale, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Princeton (and possibly a newly competitive Dartmouth), but it's a breath of fresh air.

I heard Cornell looked good against Maryland. Cornell guy stopped by yesterday. He was at the scrimmage.

I'm quite optimistic about Cornell's coaching, recruiting, training and AD commitment. Also, we have some real quality players who have shown they can play with the best, including Chase Ierland, a first class tender. Losing Jeff Teat and Jonathan Donville to graduation hurt, but the Red should be in the hunt this year for at least the Ivy Title.

[DocBarrister]

Agreed re hyperbole re Harvard. Typical.

I was at the practice and both scrimmages with my son.

Let's just say, they have the right guy for the picture. Best player on field. #7.

Not sure what he saw with the freshman attack man, didn't notice him at all during the scrimmages really, but King again and again and again...felt like a dozen goals every which way, multiple assists...the attack is definitely their strong suit as Madronic is first rate and Cheek is, not unsurprisingly, very good as well. My son remarked to Hayden's mom and dad, that it was easy to spot him on the field as his shoulders look so similar to Morgan's. Hayden's not as big yet, and may have some knee issues, but very smooth. But the key spark is King, exciting. But the writer may well be correct that Hilsenrath will get time and be very good. Certainly his HS ball would suggest as much.

I understand liking the sophomore Barnard in net, very active and athletic, but the senior tender Mullin is really, really solid. Excellent technique, quiet hands and feet, and very calming presence; big and covers a whole lot of net with simple position and technique...strong communication and clearing. He was the best stopper I saw that weekend, though I was only at the Harvard scrimmages. Team played much better with him behind them. But deep goalie corps.

I'm an Isaiah Dawson fan, 6'2, 205, fast and smooth midfielder. His dad said he thought the Covid break might well have been good for him as it gave him some time to recover from some injuries that had had hurt his self confidence, something that his dad thought was much improved.

Several other midfielders looked very dangerous as well. They were considerably more athletic than Richmond, though I'm not sure what that says. The prior scrimmage with High Point seemed more even athletically, but part of that was HPU was more even at X and they have a really good AA attack man who carried a lot of the weight. And IMO, Mullin in net in the second scrimmage set a real tone, as some early stops and clears made it look easy. And King lit it up at the other end with some spectacular stuff, so just seemed more noticeable to me.

The defensive write-up sounds right, only saw one really good LSM, and defenders looked solid, not spectacular. But some guys were good on ball and off ball, a couple looked good off the ground...but I wouldn't call it their strong suit. Clearing was bit rough at times.

The Crimson Colossus has arisen!

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

Agreed re hyperbole re Harvard. Typical.

I was at the practice and both scrimmages with my son.

Let's just say, they have the right guy for the picture. Best player on field. #7.

Not sure what he saw with the freshman attack man, didn't notice him at all during the scrimmages really, but King again and again and again...felt like a dozen goals every which way, multiple assists...the attack is definitely their strong suit as Madronic is first rate and Cheek is, not unsurprisingly, very good as well. My son remarked to Hayden's mom and dad, that it was easy to spot him on the field as his shoulders look so similar to Morgan's. Hayden's not as big yet, and may have some knee issues, but very smooth. But the key spark is King, exciting. But the writer may well be correct that Hilsenrath will get time and be very good. Certainly his HS ball would suggest as much.

I understand liking the sophomore Barnard in net, very active and athletic, but the senior tender Mullin is really, really solid. Excellent technique, quiet hands and feet, and very calming presence; big and covers a whole lot of net with simple position and technique...strong communication and clearing. He was the best stopper I saw that weekend, though I was only at the Harvard scrimmages. Team played much better with him behind them. But deep goalie corps.

I'm an Isaiah Dawson fan, 6'2, 205, fast and smooth midfielder. His dad said he thought the Covid break might well have been good for him as it gave him some time to recover from some injuries that had had hurt his self confidence, something that his dad thought was much improved.

Several other midfielders looked very dangerous as well. They were considerably more athletic than Richmond, though I'm not sure what that says. The prior scrimmage with High Point seemed more even athletically, but part of that was HPU was more even at X and they have a really good AA attack man who carried a lot of the weight. And IMO, Mullin in net in the second scrimmage set a real tone, as some early stops and clears made it look easy. And King lit it up at the other end with some spectacular stuff, so just seemed more noticeable to me.

The defensive write-up sounds right, only saw one really good LSM, and defenders looked solid, not spectacular. But some guys were good on ball and off ball, a couple looked good off the ground...but I wouldn't call it their strong suit. Clearing was bit rough at times.

The Crimson Colossus has arisen!

DocBarrister

Their Achilles heel in my son's era was GB's from midfielders, starting at X, but across the board. Many, many games in which the field was badly tilted in #'s of possessions from GB's. Very wearing. They had excellent LSM's and strong on ball close D, strong goaltending, and lots and lots of offense (though not flexible), but possessions were the big deal. It took super performances from ends of the field to make up for the middle. And they often got those. But, never the juggernaut that winning GBs enables.

As a Hop guy, you'll recognize the issues of not enough athletes in the middle of the field, SSDM's, etc, too many attack men relative to strong, fast midfielders.

Coaching was indeed a serious issue, and the unwinding at the end was really bad.
But they do have a total reboot now, so who knows.

[kramerica.inc]

"The freshman impressed during the fall."

[bearlaxfan]

Next 2 years will be telling for Daly at Brown; another D3 Scott Nelson, or something more?

[Farfromgeneva]

Or Stagnitta or Haus.

[baylax72]

IL has always fawned over the Crimson from June - February. Not saying they won't actually do something in the coming years, but it would nice if they waited til that happens before hyping them again.

[Brownlax]

Next 2 years will be telling for Daly at Brown; another D3 Scott Nelson, or something more?

Daly's last two wins are over BU (convincingly last year in their only game of the season) and UVA. He will be fine!

[Laxman23]

2022 will be extremely interesting:Players from H,P,Y largely took a year off last year and return a large number of “fifth year” seniors whereas D, B, PE, and C I believe largely prepared for the season that never materialized. Two years ago the league was loaded. Will they be able to compete nationally this year after a year and a half off? And within the league Yale is regarded as the likely top team and Dartmouth is confident of their first IVY win in years. I am certain the middle tier of C,Pe,Pr, B, H all believe they will unseat Yale and compete nationally. Transfers from the IVY league have competed well in the other leagues. Of course everyone looks to the ACC to see which team will win the league but I feel how well the IVY league competes after the layoff is one of the most compelling stories of this coming year. February can’t come soon enough

[howdyyall]

I don't know if anyone cares, but there was a bit of a social media tweet storm over the weekend regarding the Harvard vs Princeton OT football game.

In brief, Harvard scored to win the game in a series of 2 point conversion plays. The play was called back in error, and eventually, Princeton won 18-16. The Ivy League acknowledged the error, but still gave Princeton the win.

Many Ivy fans likely recall the 1940 "Fifth Down Game" between Cornell and Dartmouth. Cornell won on an officiating error, and forfeited the game to Dartmouth. The forfeit eliminated Cornell's real hopes of a NC in football that year.

We'll see this week what the Princeton administration does. The Cornell example was an effort in sportsmanship that has been remembered. It would credit Princeton to abide by this unique tradition.

Well, the Harvard AD has graciously conceded the game. Very graciously. Princeton is silent. It's a shameful day for Ivy Sports and HYP Football. I guess that the League is happy with developing technocrats as opposed to principled leaders.

I guess TLD's tag line is correct.

I admire what Cornell did those many decades ago. They did the right thing, even if it meant surrendering a national championship.

Having said that, if there are any SEC football fans reading this thread, they are laughing uncontrollably on the floor right now, spilling their Bud Light all over their new Confederate flag area rug and slapping the derrière of their cousin-wife.

DocBarrister

I’m surprised no one called out this grifter on his obvious nonsense. I was hoping someone would say something..I mean have you seen the nonsense he puts on twitter. Hopefully we can get an apology from this intolerant individual.

[JoeMauer89]

I don't know if anyone cares, but there was a bit of a social media tweet storm over the weekend regarding the Harvard vs Princeton OT football game.

In brief, Harvard scored to win the game in a series of 2 point conversion plays. The play was called back in error, and eventually, Princeton won 18-16. The Ivy League acknowledged the error, but still gave Princeton the win.

Many Ivy fans likely recall the 1940 "Fifth Down Game" between Cornell and Dartmouth. Cornell won on an officiating error, and forfeited the game to Dartmouth. The forfeit eliminated Cornell's real hopes of a NC in football that year.

We'll see this week what the Princeton administration does. The Cornell example was an effort in sportsmanship that has been remembered. It would credit Princeton to abide by this unique tradition.

Well, the Harvard AD has graciously conceded the game. Very graciously. Princeton is silent. It's a shameful day for Ivy Sports and HYP Football. I guess that the League is happy with developing technocrats as opposed to principled leaders.

I guess TLD's tag line is correct.

I admire what Cornell did those many decades ago. They did the right thing, even if it meant surrendering a national championship.

Having said that, if there are any SEC football fans reading this thread, they are laughing uncontrollably on the floor right now, spilling their Bud Light all over their new Confederate flag area rug and slapping the derrière of their cousin-wife.

DocBarrister

I’m surprised no one called out this grifter on his obvious nonsense. I was hoping someone would say something..I mean have you seen the nonsense he puts on twitter. Hopefully we can get an apology from this intolerant individual.

I've done it multiple times in various different threads. He's a cartoon character. Head is so far up his own ass!

Joe

[howdyyall]

[MDlaxfan76]

Guys, that's not appropriate, especially on the lacrosse side of the forum.
It's a personal attack.

And on this particular point, Doc actually said something funny.
A sense of humor would be a more appropriate response.

[DocBarrister]

Guys, that's not appropriate, especially on the lacrosse side of the forum.
It's a personal attack.

And on this particular point, Doc actually said something funny.
A sense of humor would be a more appropriate response.

Thanks, MD.

I probably owe howdyyall an apology. I shouldn’t have commented on his family … that’s way out of line.

Besides, I hear his cousin-wife is a lovely person and a wonderful cook.

DocBarrister