All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[kramerica.inc]

As of November 1, more than 745,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

“We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — 2x IMPOTUS o d

Joe had a plan too. He talked about it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... oronaviru/

So far, his results have been underwhelming:

Total US Covid Deaths on Jan. 20, 2021:

392,428

US Covid Death since Jan. 21 2021:

353,404

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/c ... 021-update

Would you not agree that Biden was very, very serious about the risks and costs of Covid, did not minimize them?

And would you not agree that if the US population had all been willing to be vaccinated as swiftly as the vaccine was available to them, worn masks diligently, etc, the death toll this summer would have been dramatically better? Even with Delta?

Try it another way, what do you imagine the death toll would have been if Biden had instead said (both inside his Admin and to the public), 'no worries, don't need to get vaccinated, take off your masks'. And when Delta emerged said, 'it's not really that big of a deal, no worries, no need to get vaccinated, masks are for wimps, back to work!'

Saying something completely wrong in the early time of covid is forgiveable, if your name is Fauci.

Seriousness has given us the same number of deaths.

Trump slow-rolled the vaccine too, right?

[MDlaxfan76]

As of November 1, more than 745,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

“We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — 2x IMPOTUS o d

Joe had a plan too. He talked about it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... oronaviru/

So far, his results have been underwhelming:

Total US Covid Deaths on Jan. 20, 2021:

392,428

US Covid Death since Jan. 21 2021:

353,404

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/c ... 021-update

Would you not agree that Biden was very, very serious about the risks and costs of Covid, did not minimize them?

And would you not agree that if the US population had all been willing to be vaccinated as swiftly as the vaccine was available to them, worn masks diligently, etc, the death toll this summer would have been dramatically better? Even with Delta?

Try it another way, what do you imagine the death toll would have been if Biden had instead said (both inside his Admin and to the public), 'no worries, don't need to get vaccinated, take off your masks'. And when Delta emerged said, 'it's not really that big of a deal, no worries, no need to get vaccinated, masks are for wimps, back to work!'

Saying something completely wrong in the early time of covid is forgiveable, if your name is Fauci.

Seriousness has given us the same number of deaths.

Trump slow-rolled the vaccine too, right?

I just completely refuted this specious argument on the other thread. More deaths under Trump, and the deaths per day has dropped 80% since Trump left office.

No argument, the Trump Admin did a good job resourcing the Pharma companies, whose scientists did a good job of developing the specific vaccines needed, and thank goodness for the MRNA platform and the scientists who have been working on that, with federal support for many years. It has enormous promise in other areas as well.

As I said, best advice by the public health people, as they knew it, as fast as they knew it.

Far, far better than what our political leadership did, creating mask resistance and vaccine resistance. BTW, I don't blame 100% of the political failures on the Trump Admin, nor even Donald himself, but he was the guy in charge from the beginning and he's the guy who seized the microphone. And he was enormously bad at his role in that communication. Really, really horrible.

Biden's been better, but not perfect. And the Harris and Biden comments during the campaigns about the vaccines were very unhelpful. Mistakes. And because they were mistakes made from a self-serving political view, rather than honest actual mistakes, I think they deserve condemnation.

[kramerica.inc]

So these numbers are completely wrong? Where will we be when Biden is in office for exactly a year? Seems
Like the numbers will be awfully close. And that’s when Biden has had the benefit of a fully functional vaccine at his disposal.

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/c ... 021-update

[ggait]

And that’s when Biden has had the benefit of a fully functional vaccine at his disposal.

The vax isn't functional at all if you refuse to take the shot.

The fault is entirely with the mouth breathers.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So these numbers are completely wrong? Where will we be when Biden is in office for exactly a year? Seems
Like the numbers will be awfully close. And that’s when Biden has had the benefit of a fully functional vaccine at his disposal.

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/c ... 021-update

[a fan]

So these numbers are completely wrong? Where will we be when Biden is in office for exactly a year? Seems
Like the numbers will be awfully close. And that’s when Biden has had the benefit of a fully functional vaccine at his disposal.

https://www.medicaleconomics.com/view/c ... 021-update

You're not seriously blaming Biden for those who refuse to take the vaccine, get Covid, and die, are you?

Keep in mind I never blamed Trump for anything but his first few months of calling Covid a hoax...and gave him credit when he stopped doing that when he figured out how serious it was.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

767,000 dead Americans.

[wgdsr]

lmao this thread.

[wgdsr]

As of November 1, more than 745,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

“We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — 2x IMPOTUS o d

Joe had a plan too. He talked about it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... oronaviru/

crickets on this here. after hundreds of pages, not posts, on what should be done in 2020. mirror the media.
too funny.

[wgdsr]

It sucks for one or a few folks to drag a business down but of course there’s the prerogative of ownership who chooses to do business w the gov and their source of revenue be taxpayer money. At some point people’s choices and consequences cant be bifurcated anymore.

having watched this site for a year and a half, people don't want accountability. they want accountability for the other half of the political aisle.

I presume my comments in no way suggest that your saying I fall in this camp that you’ve observed?

Maybe for some, never been true for me. I hope that’s been clear. Like when I talk about being fine with getting rid of deposit insurance, mortgage interest tax deduction, Fannie/Freddie, ag subsidies, 501c3 exemptions Etc.

i quoted your post as it referenced accountability. not a referendum on yourself.

[Typical Lax Dad]

As of November 1, more than 745,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

“We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — 2x IMPOTUS o d

Joe had a plan too. He talked about it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... oronaviru/

crickets on this here. after hundreds of pages, not posts, on what should be done in 2020. mirror the media.
too funny.

We need Old Joe to do more of this:

[Farfromgeneva]

It sucks for one or a few folks to drag a business down but of course there’s the prerogative of ownership who chooses to do business w the gov and their source of revenue be taxpayer money. At some point people’s choices and consequences cant be bifurcated anymore.

having watched this site for a year and a half, people don't want accountability. they want accountability for the other half of the political aisle.

I presume my comments in no way suggest that your saying I fall in this camp that you’ve observed?

Maybe for some, never been true for me. I hope that’s been clear. Like when I talk about being fine with getting rid of deposit insurance, mortgage interest tax deduction, Fannie/Freddie, ag subsidies, 501c3 exemptions Etc.

i quoted your post as it referenced accountability. not a referendum on yourself.

That’s what I figured but can never tell. It’s getting (you probably think already gotten) completely stupid all around.

[CU88]

Oh man....so close to 10,000. The union was only off by about 9,966. Estimates are hard.

But...lying is easy.


After threats that 10,000 NYPD officers could quit the force over the NYC vaccine mandate, the actual number going on unpaid leave today was 34.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/01/heres-how ... e-mandate/

Blue Lives Matter...

[runrussellrun]

And that’s when Biden has had the benefit of a fully functional vaccine at his disposal.

The vax isn't functional at all if you refuse to take the shot.

The fault is entirely with the mouth breathers.

some lax publication has a "story" about a Div. I lacrosse coach, coming down with the covid.

Not sure if Hopkins requires vaxx for ALL of it's employees......and, but, of course they do.

Just wondering how someone who is fully vaccinated develops bad sympotoms, due to catching covid. After getting the shots.

[runrussellrun]

No argument, the Trump Admin did a good job resourcing the Pharma companies, whose scientists did a good job of developing the specific vaccines needed, and thank goodness for the MRNA platform and the scientists who have been working on that, with federal support for many years. It has enormous promise in other areas as well.


Biden's been better, but not perfect. And the Harris and Biden comments during the campaigns about the vaccines were very unhelpful. Mistakes. And because they were mistakes made from a self-serving political view, rather than honest actual mistakes, I think they deserve condemnation. Agree.....so go ahead....CONDEMN them ! Just can't bring yourself to do it tho........odd

Cute......regarding the mRNA. Johnson & Johnson,.....like Moderna's.....still EMERGENCY approval.....but, the j&J vaxx does not use this "new" way.

Do you think you can even begin to break down the USA population as to whom got which vaccination.........and IS your opinion on the "old" vaxx tech that J and J employed.....as in, do you trust their numbers and so on ?

Does pfizer have an advertizing budget? (asking for a friend )

.....get you booster yet?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvacc ... tudy-finds

[runrussellrun]

https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvacc ... tudy-finds

Yale

These the same clowns the the Connecticutt Attorney General went after for fraud and other shiite, especially regarding ANOTHER vaccine (lyme )

"likely"

How did a fully vaccinated person GET covid..........if the vaccine works ?

stop calling it a vaccine.....it is NOT.

everyone squawking about "required" vaxx's for this and that........when IS the last tyme any of you got a small pox or MMR "vaccine" ?

exactly .

flu shot......covid shot.....same thing.....

This is NOT a vaccine.......stop calling it such.

[runrussellrun]

https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvacc ... tudy-finds

Where is the yale study about fully vaccinated people developing covid going to appear?

Love the break down of the vaccines in this study

oh well......someone's gotta spend all of the $4 trillion that is still in the piggy bank (cares act/2020)

[MDlaxfan76]

And that’s when Biden has had the benefit of a fully functional vaccine at his disposal.

The vax isn't functional at all if you refuse to take the shot.

The fault is entirely with the mouth breathers.

some lax publication has a "story" about a Div. I lacrosse coach, coming down with the covid.

Not sure if Hopkins requires vaxx for ALL of it's employees......and, but, of course they do.

Just wondering how someone who is fully vaccinated develops bad sympotoms, due to catching covid. After getting the shots.

90 out of 100 do not, who would otherwise, statistically, have had a bad reaction, do not.

what's that mean, RRR?

10 do.

Hopefully one is in the 90, but no guarantee.

Of course, like the overall risk factors, of those 100 who would have been predicted to have a bad reaction (again, statistically), the most serious reactions, despite vaccination, are concentrated in those with other risk factors that suppress the immune system and/or make the person particularly vulnerable to inflammation. Obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, advanced age, etc. No guarantees, but that's where the risks are much, much greater.

So, when a D1 women's lax coach, despite being vaccinated (she was), develops serious symptoms (but not death), she's one of the 10, not the 90. and when her dad, who'd been fighting cancer, dies from Covid complications, he too was in the 10. And he too had been fully vaccinated.

Terrible, but statistically quite possible.

and the coach may well have had an even worse outcome had she not been vaccinated...at least statistically that's the case.

But that's why, despite being vaccinated, if one has those serious risk factors, it's still really important to reduce possibilities of contracting the virus. And that includes the behaviors and choices of those with whom one comes into contact.

So, if virus is highly prevalent in local community, it's very helpful to avoid sustained times indoors with lots of others whose risk behaviors may not be as rigorous as one's own, wear a mask when needing to so at all, and encourage others who you are in regular contact with to do the same...it's not perfect, but it reduces risk...if virus prevalence is very low in the community, easier to relax more. But again, not perfect...but way, way better.

Not really rocket science.

[runrussellrun]

https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvacc ... tudy-finds

From the actual "study" Funded by some government agency (thought only PUBLIC colleges were socialists, and yet AFAN harps, correctly, on the hugeness that IS Hopkins/Harvard billions of welfare......not socialism. But....great study, tld. Much better information than most of your posts

Our study has several limitations. First, our study was limited by the absence of longitudinal data gathered on anti-S IgG and anti-virus IgG antibody response to endemic coronavirus infection, which obligated us to rely for some of our analyses on imputation based on the high correlations among antibodies to some targets (anti-N and anti-S, and anti-virus and anti-S). Moreover, the antibody declines and infection probabilities determined by long-term studies of SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, and HCoV-NL63 that we used in our analyses are averaged among an unfortunately small number of infected individuals; any one individual might have longer or shorter durations of immunity. For an individual, reinfection risks depend on immune status, infection severity, cross-immunity, age, and other immunological factors such as T-cell and B-cell memory or lack of antibody neutralising capacity.27, 28, 29 The probabilistic framework of our analysis does not capture these aspects, their interactions, and other aspects of SARS-CoV-2 infection that merit special attention. For example, asymptomatic infection by SARS-CoV-2 can induce a weaker immune response than symptomatic infection,2 which in turn would result in lower production of antibodies, and consequently shorter-term resistance against reinfection over time. This observation is of particular importance as reinfection can lead to lower infection severity than primary infection.30 For predictive modelling of epidemiology that is dependent on the consequences of natural infections, it might be important to recognise lower waning times of immunity depending on symptomaticity.25


An additional limitation is that protective immunity consists of both humoral (antibody based) immunity and cell-mediated immunity conferred by cooperation between B and CD4+ and CD8+ T cells.28 The identification of B-cell and T-cell populations—including their quantity, subsets, effector or memory phenotype, or persistence—could be more directly causal of immunity or better indicators of the durability of immunity than antibody level alone. Although antibody levels have been shown to correlate with protection from SARS-CoV-2 in humans in specific high attack rate settings27 and for severe disease,31 emerging studies have shown the action of memory B cells and memory and effector T cells and their cytokines after infection with the various coronaviruses.32, 33 It would be worthwhile to collect longitudinal data on these immunological traits for the various endemic human-infecting coronaviruses and for historical zoonotic human-infecting coronaviruses, so that their potentially higher explanatory power regarding immunity could be incorporated into a correlated-trait ancestral and descendent states analysis.8 Regardless of the nature of the components of the immune response that are most immediately causal of immunity, the inferential basis of our analysis relies only on the correlation between antibody level and reinfection in endemic human coronaviruses. Given the close evolutionary relationships of human-infecting coronaviruses, it is probable that immunological correlates are similar among the human-infecting endemic and zoonotic coronaviruses.


Seems like a whole bunch of conclusions based on "probabilities".......try again, YALE. (plenty of socialism for more reports and studies )