I had read that. Liked the “half asses religious exemption”. Goes to show you who’s a paycheck worker when they put a political belief over the risk they pose to the patients their providing care for but shame in WV where there’s not a lot of outside support relative to the poverty to help sick folks.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:05 pm https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... yURL_share
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Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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This is an interesting read on the state of scientific publishing. I put it up here cause the authors conclusions are interesting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ms/620473/
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ms/620473/
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Thanks for posting...look forward to reading. Great graphic btw, for anyone still impressed by quality aestheticsBart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:46 am This is an interesting read on the state of scientific publishing. I put it up here cause the authors conclusions are interesting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ms/620473/
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As volunteers, we have no inherent authority. When we ask a research group for access to its original data, in accordance with a long-held standard for maintaining scientific integrity, our requests are commonly refused or ignored. And when we do find what we think are serious anomalies in a given paper, getting the authors, the institutions they work for, or their publication outlets to return our emails tends to be somewhere between challenging and impossible. When we looked at an ivermectin study published over the summer in the Asian Pacific Journal of Tropical Medicine, for example, we found a highly unusual pattern of numbers that implied a failure of randomization. We reported this issue to the journal more than three months ago and have heard nothing substantive back.Bart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:46 am This is an interesting read on the state of scientific publishing. I put it up here cause the authors conclusions are interesting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ms/620473/
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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So instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
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OF those 5 million, what is the annual average, world wide, for deaths ?tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? UMMM....we can begin with NOT funding the research Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
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From a pandemic, what's the average...or motorcycle accidents?
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Yeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
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Oh, you mean just like what they were doing at Wuhan U. Glad to see you have finally changed lanes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 amYeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
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Doesnt' the USA own lots of little island they can do this research on ? Natick Labs still a thing ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 amYeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
Point IS.....what in the world are we doing research in a foreign country....at all ?
But........do we need to dig up your offbase, detramental comments disparaging ALL that even mentioned the "lab leak"....pooh poohing them as wacko's.
How IS that train of thought going for you in reality world ?
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Yes, Wuhan would indeed be one of the places where you'd want work on pandemic-potential viruses done, but with heavy international involvement, international oversight. And China's going to do this work with or without our (international) direct engagement.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:21 amOh, you mean just like what they were doing at Wuhan U. Glad to see you have finally changed lanes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 amYeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
But we understand from reporting that safety protocols were slipshod...which is why I've consistently said that regardless of whether there was any sort of lab leak, whether zoonotic or engineered, safety protocols should be a very high priority going forward.
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
BTW, what do you think the US does at places like Ft. Dietrich?
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Oh...I know, my father worked there, Operation WhitecoatMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 amYes, Wuhan would indeed be one of the places where you'd want work on pandemic-potential viruses done, but with heavy international involvement, international oversight. And China's going to do this work with or without our (international) direct engagement.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:21 amOh, you mean just like what they were doing at Wuhan U. Glad to see you have finally changed lanes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 amYeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
But we understand from reporting that safety protocols were slipshod...which is why I've consistently said that regardless of whether there was any sort of lab leak, whether zoonotic or engineered, safety protocols should be a very high priority going forward.
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
BTW, what do you think the US does at places like Ft. Dietrich?
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What has the CDC not updated this since July? https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report ... mpact.html
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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Ha!... China has alienated themselves from any "effort". GMAFB.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 am
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
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+1....I vividly remember them not allowing anyone in from the US CDC director, to the WHO, after repeated requests early in 2020. ANd yet, they were running testing on our dollar.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:51 amHa!... China has alienated themselves from any "effort". GMAFB.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 am
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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4 sides to every story...........youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:58 am+1....I vividly remember them not allowing anyone in from the US CDC director, to the WHO, after repeated requests early in 2020. ANd yet, they were running testing on our dollar.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:51 amHa!... China has alienated themselves from any "effort". GMAFB.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 am
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAMXVHiN7jM
you make declarative statements.....you don't second guess your own knowledge.
measure twice, cut once.........
........others feel they are right, only need to measure once. And someone else is cutting, anyway........so blame....ummm....trump ?
geez.......as if trump is the only scumbagg.......
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AFTER...we pulled our people and funding. We'd lost our eyes and ears because we'd pulled out, not because they'd thrown us out.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:58 am+1....I vividly remember them not allowing anyone in from the US CDC director, to the WHO, after repeated requests early in 2020. ANd yet, they were running testing on our dollar.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:51 amHa!... China has alienated themselves from any "effort". GMAFB.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 am
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
And AFTER, our tariff war, etc.
So, when the storm hit, they went into full on hunker down and disinformation mode...which is par for the course in terms of how they handle their own populace. They cracked down hard on the spread internally. Very hard.
And meanwhile Trump and others started calling it Kung Flu, etc...feeding into their paranoia about how the world would respond to the calamity. Indeed confirming their paranoia.
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So, presumably you'd understand that the US doesn't invite (or allow) international inspection when stuff goes wrong...right?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:49 amOh...I know, my father worked there, Operation WhitecoatMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 amYes, Wuhan would indeed be one of the places where you'd want work on pandemic-potential viruses done, but with heavy international involvement, international oversight. And China's going to do this work with or without our (international) direct engagement.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:21 amOh, you mean just like what they were doing at Wuhan U. Glad to see you have finally changed lanes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 amYeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
But we understand from reporting that safety protocols were slipshod...which is why I've consistently said that regardless of whether there was any sort of lab leak, whether zoonotic or engineered, safety protocols should be a very high priority going forward.
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
BTW, what do you think the US does at places like Ft. Dietrich?
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Where are we (the US) performing this type of paid research with Chinese funded money? Full disclosure....I do not know.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:14 amSo, presumably you'd understand that the US doesn't invite (or allow) international inspection when stuff goes wrong...right?youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:49 amOh...I know, my father worked there, Operation WhitecoatMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 amYes, Wuhan would indeed be one of the places where you'd want work on pandemic-potential viruses done, but with heavy international involvement, international oversight. And China's going to do this work with or without our (international) direct engagement.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:21 amOh, you mean just like what they were doing at Wuhan U. Glad to see you have finally changed lanes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:14 amYeah, I'll be the "dope" and say I want the researchers to be working with 'live' viruses to better understand how they evolve and modify, and jump species, and how they can damage us; and most importantly, how they can be identified, blocked, stopped. But, man, that's dangerous stuff and it needs to be very seriously handled, with significant oversight.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:30 amSo instead we should just walk in circles, wringing our hands, hoping for the best?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:28 pmNo, I really am.tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:52 pmSure you are
How are we going to regulate GOF, or things like cloning in places like China? Or Russia?
It's the same issue we face with climate change. As you know, countries like China and India continue to pollute and amplify greenhouse effect. Should we simply throw up our hands and say, what's the point of continued US effort when other countries don't give a sh!t?
Re Covid though, 5 million dead across the globe. I would bet a worldwide ban on research such as GOF will be easy to come by. Of course regulation oversight will be difficult, but again, better to do nothing at all? IMO, any reduction of GOF research is one less disaster waiting to happen. Now someone on here will say something dopey like, you're anti-science! As mentioned before, find a new way to research this stuff without tinkering with live viruses, putting human existence in jeopardy.
Also, there will always be bad actors, independently plotting to destroy by scientific means. You'd be stating the obvious to raise that point... and in that case we can only hope for the best.
If you want to show how such research can be done without such danger, go for it.
But we understand from reporting that safety protocols were slipshod...which is why I've consistently said that regardless of whether there was any sort of lab leak, whether zoonotic or engineered, safety protocols should be a very high priority going forward.
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
BTW, what do you think the US does at places like Ft. Dietrich?
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
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..cough cough...BS...cough. So now you are defending China, again! oh vey.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:13 amAFTER...we pulled our people and funding. We'd lost our eyes and ears because we'd pulled out, not because they'd thrown us out.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:58 am+1....I vividly remember them not allowing anyone in from the US CDC director, to the WHO, after repeated requests early in 2020. ANd yet, they were running testing on our dollar.tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:51 amHa!... China has alienated themselves from any "effort". GMAFB.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:43 am
But alienating China from this effort is not a solution.
And AFTER, our tariff war, etc.
So, when the storm hit, they went into full on hunker down and disinformation mode...which is par for the course in terms of how they handle their own populace. They cracked down hard on the spread internally. Very hard.
And meanwhile Trump and others started calling it Kung Flu, etc...feeding into their paranoia about how the world would respond to the calamity. Indeed confirming their paranoia.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard