All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[wgdsr]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

[wgdsr]

speaking of which, prep next maybe is for propoganda on double digit %s of hospitalizations and deaths, already happening, among the vaccinated. inevitable as vaccine uptake happens. hopefully, on increasingly smaller totals.

how our administration handles that circumstance will be worth watching.

[JoeMauer89]

speaking of which, prep next maybe is for propoganda on double digit %s of hospitalizations and deaths, already happening, among the vaccinated. inevitable as vaccine uptake happens. hopefully, on increasingly smaller totals.

how our administration handles that circumstance will be worth watching.

Masks are what stop hospitalizations alone, not vaccines. It's 2021 get with the program!

Edit: Here comes the, "It's masks and vaccinations together, etc, etc. I'd be a rich rich man if I got a dollar everytime an FLP brethren mindlessly refrained that from the moral hilltops..

Joe

[ardilla secreta]

Free vaccinations sounds like some socialist scheme to control our lives.

[Farfromgeneva]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

But you surely have a position. I know you don’t like to share it often but that’s what I’m usually most interested in getting out of you.

[wgdsr]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

But you surely have a position. I know you don’t like to share it often but that’s what I’m usually most interested in getting out of you.

gun to my head, people internalize info from their tribes. experiences and emotions factor.

[Farfromgeneva]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

But you surely have a position. I know you don’t like to share it often but that’s what I’m usually most interested in getting out of you.

gun to my head, people internalize info from their tribes. experiences and emotions factor.

Thanks-contextual relevance like Husserl. Maybe it’s why I like to be a contrarian/empirical skeptic.

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[MDlaxfan76]

speaking of which, prep next maybe is for propoganda on double digit %s of hospitalizations and deaths, already happening, among the vaccinated. inevitable as vaccine uptake happens. hopefully, on increasingly smaller totals.

how our administration handles that circumstance will be worth watching.

Masks are what stop hospitalizations alone, not vaccines. It's 2021 get with the program!

Edit: Here comes the, "It's masks and vaccinations together, etc, etc. I'd be a rich rich man if I got a dollar everytime an FLP brethren mindlessly refrained that from the moral hilltops..

Joe

Joe, who do you hear saying what I bolded in red above?
Not on here, right?

I don't do hardly any other social media, so maybe someone is saying that, but I can't imagine what rationale would be used to support that.

I'm far from "FLP" so will take a crack, nevertheless, at your bait.

Obviously, when there were no vaccines, we had very little else not severely disruptive, other than masks, to slow the spread. Sure, we could all stay home, never see anyone else, but masks enabled us to not have to be 100% "distant", and this was very necessary, given the need to do various work, etc...and then masking enabled us to increasingly have more activities, more social interaction, yet still be "responsible" about minimizing risk to others.

And with vaccines, we now have a hugely important mechanism to help reduce impact of the disease and hopefully to reduce spread as well. But we know the vaccine doesn't mean we can't get and spread the virus, including asymptomatically. But it sure helps! On the other hand, a whole lot of folks remain unvaccinated.

Fortunately, we've learned that dispersion in the air is also super helpful to reducing risk, so there's lots of things we can do outside unmasked, or with great ventilation systems...yet, how hard is it really to put on a mask when inside in crowded environments with low ventilation and extended exposure? Obviously that's much more important when virus incidence in the community is high, and expected to be high therefore in such settings, and less so when virus incidence is low.

But somehow, we've made putting on a mask or not putting on a mask when we go in a convenience store, etc somehow a political statement rather than just good common sense for public health. Somehow, a big portion of our public thinks it's something to get angry about being expected/asked to do.

So, we're all mixed up about this.

We went to the Bond movie last week and wore masks, no big deal, except when eating and drinking. Most of those around us were doing so as well, which I appreciated. No big deal..but why was everyone not doing so? Sure, the ventilation is excellent and the spacing remains good, but what's the big deal? Are the non-mask wearers in those situations also not vaccinated? Given that attitude, are they doing lots and lots of things, similarly unmasked, which increase the risk that they could be carriers/spreaders at any given time?

Fortunately, the incidence is down a lot in our area right now...but it ain't crushed.

And I go back to how my son originally responded to how Americans weren't earring masks, as he arrived back from Shanghai, given that he'd spent a couple of years in Asia...it's no surprise that mask usage remains highest in the US among Asian Americans and Asian visa holders, etc. None of this mask stigma problem, they've seen that respiratory viruses are slowed by reducing respiration spread. Gee, who'd have thunk? Experience.

[a fan]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

When you work in rural parts of Colorado....parts that are 300 miles apart.....and you keep hearing the same tinfoil hat stories again and again and again, almost verbatim....and it's in sych with talking points from Tucker et. al.... and you see things like polls that show that 2/3rds of Republicans STILL think that ONLY the Trump-Biden part of the ballot is fraudulent, demonstrating the power of right wing media?

And then you see the vaxx rates in this counties? It's awful hard to ignore the power of right wing media/social media.

But yep, you're right. Can be just anecdotal. Can be a coincidence. And it can be that tens of thousand of Coloradans in these SPECIFIC counties are all just afraid of needles, while rich counties right next door coincidentally don't have people who are afraid of needles., and coincidentally have a 90%+ vaccination rate.

I can't prove my ideas, and we both know it. So yep, you're right. I'm theorizing. That part I agree with here....

[a fan]

speaking of which, prep next maybe is for propoganda on double digit %s of hospitalizations and deaths, already happening, among the vaccinated. inevitable as vaccine uptake happens. hopefully, on increasingly smaller totals.

how our administration handles that circumstance will be worth watching.

Masks are what stop hospitalizations alone, not vaccines. It's 2021 get with the program!

Edit: Here comes the, "It's masks and vaccinations together, etc, etc. I'd be a rich rich man if I got a dollar everytime an FLP brethren mindlessly refrained that from the moral hilltops..

Joe

Yep, thats true. Yet it's also true that your path of reduce measures has killed tens of thousands of Americans.

So as I said last spring when the Covid restrictions started----there isn't a winning move if you're a governor of a State, or a Mayor.

[youthathletics]

So as I said last spring when the Covid restrictions started----there isn't a winning move if you're a governor of a State, or a Mayor.

So you disagree with the Biden Mandate?

[a fan]

So as I said last spring when the Covid restrictions started----there isn't a winning move if you're a governor of a State, or a Mayor.

So you disagree with the Biden Mandate?

Which one?

[youthathletics]

So as I said last spring when the Covid restrictions started----there isn't a winning move if you're a governor of a State, or a Mayor.

So you disagree with the Biden Mandate?

Which one?

vaccine

[JoeMauer89]

speaking of which, prep next maybe is for propoganda on double digit %s of hospitalizations and deaths, already happening, among the vaccinated. inevitable as vaccine uptake happens. hopefully, on increasingly smaller totals.

how our administration handles that circumstance will be worth watching.

Masks are what stop hospitalizations alone, not vaccines. It's 2021 get with the program!

Edit: Here comes the, "It's masks and vaccinations together, etc, etc. I'd be a rich rich man if I got a dollar everytime an FLP brethren mindlessly refrained that from the moral hilltops..

Joe

Yep, thats true. Yet it's also true that your path of reduce measures has killed tens of thousands of Americans.

So as I said last spring when the Covid restrictions started----there isn't a winning move if you're a governor of a State, or a Mayor.

My post was facetious in nature. Sort of a litmus test to see how quickly I get jumped on. Mask are not bad on a macro-level. But relying on them and think you are guaranteed to not catch covid because you "masked up" is part of the misinformation that's prevalent. How many times have I seen, I got CV-19, but I wore a mask all the time. It's just one tool, not a crutch. Lot of poor messaging, and I'm not talking about the Trumpists.

Joe

[Typical Lax Dad]

speaking of which, prep next maybe is for propoganda on double digit %s of hospitalizations and deaths, already happening, among the vaccinated. inevitable as vaccine uptake happens. hopefully, on increasingly smaller totals.

how our administration handles that circumstance will be worth watching.

Masks are what stop hospitalizations alone, not vaccines. It's 2021 get with the program!

Edit: Here comes the, "It's masks and vaccinations together, etc, etc. I'd be a rich rich man if I got a dollar everytime an FLP brethren mindlessly refrained that from the moral hilltops..

Joe

Yep, thats true. Yet it's also true that your path of reduce measures has killed tens of thousands of Americans.

So as I said last spring when the Covid restrictions started----there isn't a winning move if you're a governor of a State, or a Mayor.

My post was facetious in nature. Sort of a litmus test to see how quickly I get jumped on. Mask are not bad on a macro-level. But relying on them and think you are guaranteed to not catch covid because you "masked up" is part of the misinformation that's prevalent. How many times have I seen, I got CV-19, but I wore a mask all the time. It's just one tool, not a crutch. Lot of poor messaging, and I'm not talking about the Trumpists.

Joe

Could you provide a link to an official making that claim?

[wgdsr]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

When you work in rural parts of Colorado....parts that are 300 miles apart.....and you keep hearing the same tinfoil hat stories again and again and again, almost verbatim....and it's in sych with talking points from Tucker et. al.... and you see things like polls that show that 2/3rds of Republicans STILL think that ONLY the Trump-Biden part of the ballot is fraudulent, demonstrating the power of right wing media?

And then you see the vaxx rates in this counties? It's awful hard to ignore the power of right wing media/social media.

But yep, you're right. Can be just anecdotal. Can be a coincidence. And it can be that tens of thousand of Coloradans in these SPECIFIC counties are all just afraid of needles, while rich counties right next door coincidentally don't have people who are afraid of needles., and coincidentally have a 90%+ vaccination rate.

I can't prove my ideas, and we both know it. So yep, you're right. I'm theorizing. That part I agree with here....

man, getting bounced around like a dodgeball.

let me recap?
- i commented that in fact there are potentially 10s of millions of people (and potentially a sizable majority) of people that are not maga, holding off. as the subject of them being the problem in anti-vaxx world was rehashed. i believe you may not have come in yet to the convo.
- you then said i was trying too hard and maga was responsible for everything. propaganda, etc.
- i said it's impossible imo to know that.
- your now reply is, look, i know some maga people and they're not bright, and are influenced by maga propaganda so everyone is? or just them and their types (rural, dumb maga types)?

what is it that you are saying regarding the ?s directly above?

[Typical Lax Dad]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

When you work in rural parts of Colorado....parts that are 300 miles apart.....and you keep hearing the same tinfoil hat stories again and again and again, almost verbatim....and it's in sych with talking points from Tucker et. al.... and you see things like polls that show that 2/3rds of Republicans STILL think that ONLY the Trump-Biden part of the ballot is fraudulent, demonstrating the power of right wing media?

And then you see the vaxx rates in this counties? It's awful hard to ignore the power of right wing media/social media.

But yep, you're right. Can be just anecdotal. Can be a coincidence. And it can be that tens of thousand of Coloradans in these SPECIFIC counties are all just afraid of needles, while rich counties right next door coincidentally don't have people who are afraid of needles., and coincidentally have a 90%+ vaccination rate.

I can't prove my ideas, and we both know it. So yep, you're right. I'm theorizing. That part I agree with here....

man, getting bounced around like a dodgeball.

let me recap?
- i commented that in fact there are potentially 10s of millions of people (and potentially a sizable majority) of people that are not maga, holding off. as the subject of them being the problem in anti-vaxx world was rehashed. i believe you may not have come in yet to the convo.
- you then said i was trying too hard and maga was responsible for everything. propaganda, etc.
- i said it's impossible imo to know that.
- your now reply is, look, i know some maga people and they're not bright, and are influenced by maga propaganda so everyone is? or just them and their types (rural, dumb maga types)?

what is it that you are saying regarding the ?s directly above?

What happened to the mouth breather part? ……I thought about it some more and realized “Trump” also did better than expected with some urban demographic mouth breathers who are MAGA….under reported….at least that’s what our Friends at Fox News said…remember he had that urban MAGA cannibal campaigning for him.

[wgdsr]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

When you work in rural parts of Colorado....parts that are 300 miles apart.....and you keep hearing the same tinfoil hat stories again and again and again, almost verbatim....and it's in sych with talking points from Tucker et. al.... and you see things like polls that show that 2/3rds of Republicans STILL think that ONLY the Trump-Biden part of the ballot is fraudulent, demonstrating the power of right wing media?

And then you see the vaxx rates in this counties? It's awful hard to ignore the power of right wing media/social media.

But yep, you're right. Can be just anecdotal. Can be a coincidence. And it can be that tens of thousand of Coloradans in these SPECIFIC counties are all just afraid of needles, while rich counties right next door coincidentally don't have people who are afraid of needles., and coincidentally have a 90%+ vaccination rate.

I can't prove my ideas, and we both know it. So yep, you're right. I'm theorizing. That part I agree with here....

man, getting bounced around like a dodgeball.

let me recap?
- i commented that in fact there are potentially 10s of millions of people (and potentially a sizable majority) of people that are not maga, holding off. as the subject of them being the problem in anti-vaxx world was rehashed. i believe you may not have come in yet to the convo.
- you then said i was trying too hard and maga was responsible for everything. propaganda, etc.
- i said it's impossible imo to know that.
- your now reply is, look, i know some maga people and they're not bright, and are influenced by maga propaganda so everyone is? or just them and their types (rural, dumb maga types)?

what is it that you are saying regarding the ?s directly above?

What happened to the mouth breather part? ……I thought about it some more and realized “Trump” also did better than expected with some urban demographic mouth breathers who are MAGA….under reported….at least that’s what our Friends at Fox News said…remember he had that urban MAGA cannibal campaigning for him.

i'm going to point you to brooklyn's venn diagram.

[Typical Lax Dad]

omg, seriously? that's it? there must be a whole lot of republican babies coming soon!! you don't get to make the leap of bad messaging on covid, ignoring what the messaging on actual vaccines in 2020 was from both sides, and then overlay that as i-have-to-agree-with-you-on-how-much-damage(entirely?)-that-reaped for 97 million people or i'm ignoring the obvious. that's absurd.

How many more times do I have to type "agree to disagree". To me, it's obvious where 90% of the disinformation leading to vaccine-resistance is coming from, and who it is influencing.
actually, what you said was 90% of the unvaccinated (or all) were a result of this propaganda. twice.

To you, it's not, and this is one big unsolved mystery as to why the vaccine rate for the landed (and Republican) gentry in Pitkin and Eagle county is well over 90% (Aspen and Vail)...while the poorest, least educated counties of Colorado are well under 50%.
those specifics are yours, isolated, and don't speak to many other scenarios.
I think it's propaganda. You don't. Okay. We're good. Agree to disagree.

to be clear, my position is that i don't know how it all stacks up. and neither do you. you believe you do. we're good.

When you work in rural parts of Colorado....parts that are 300 miles apart.....and you keep hearing the same tinfoil hat stories again and again and again, almost verbatim....and it's in sych with talking points from Tucker et. al.... and you see things like polls that show that 2/3rds of Republicans STILL think that ONLY the Trump-Biden part of the ballot is fraudulent, demonstrating the power of right wing media?

And then you see the vaxx rates in this counties? It's awful hard to ignore the power of right wing media/social media.

But yep, you're right. Can be just anecdotal. Can be a coincidence. And it can be that tens of thousand of Coloradans in these SPECIFIC counties are all just afraid of needles, while rich counties right next door coincidentally don't have people who are afraid of needles., and coincidentally have a 90%+ vaccination rate.

I can't prove my ideas, and we both know it. So yep, you're right. I'm theorizing. That part I agree with here....

man, getting bounced around like a dodgeball.

let me recap?
- i commented that in fact there are potentially 10s of millions of people (and potentially a sizable majority) of people that are not maga, holding off. as the subject of them being the problem in anti-vaxx world was rehashed. i believe you may not have come in yet to the convo.
- you then said i was trying too hard and maga was responsible for everything. propaganda, etc.
- i said it's impossible imo to know that.
- your now reply is, look, i know some maga people and they're not bright, and are influenced by maga propaganda so everyone is? or just them and their types (rural, dumb maga types)?

what is it that you are saying regarding the ?s directly above?

What happened to the mouth breather part? ……I thought about it some more and realized “Trump” also did better than expected with some urban demographic mouth breathers who are MAGA….under reported….at least that’s what our Friends at Fox News said…remember he had that urban MAGA cannibal campaigning for him.

i'm going to point you to brooklyn's venn diagram.

That’s probably why it crossed my mind. MAGA influence just got a little broader. Not all the blame, just more (directionally) Probably how the numbers work. Was on the phone today talking to my unvaccinated cousin. She works in a pharmacy. After I asked her some simple questions she said “I guess you are right”. I told her guessing ain’t got nothing to do with it. Gave her some examples….and met with “I didn’t realize that”….I said of course not…..we will see if it sticks.

[wgdsr]

you need to get her off oan.