~46~ Lame Duck Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~

[a fan]

Slightly.
I think American workers as a whole are tired of being crapped on and unappreciated.
Long hours, too many work days, long commutes, low wages, bad tips, jerk bosses, rude customers.
Americans realized they are happier working less and spending time doing things they didn't before- working on their houses, gardens, spending time with their kids, etc etc.
Add into it soaring inflation, and the cost of doing business in America has gone up.
People aren't taking those or any jobs for their pre-covid going rates. Peopel want higher salaries, better benefits, more work from home options and they can get it.
Business owners are on notice.

Many economists point to the same thing happening after WWII. The global zeitgeist has changed completely.

The above, gentlemen.....will push many, many Americans toward Bernie and AOC. Europe as the model.

Your team still needs to come up with an answer for the above people.

For 40 years? Your team's answer was:

-shut up and work harder. Get two and three jobs, and don't complain
-free education and training is insane, shut up and pay for it
-free health care is insane, shut up and pay your ridiculous deductible
-get the .gov out of the way, and your life will improve
-trickle down economics
-unions are bad
-give tax cuts to the 1% and corporations because.....we say so
-socialism is bad, let the corporations rule the roost

You need a new path. And you still don't have one. All you have now is conspiracy theories, guns, the election was fake, and other nonsense that has nothing to do with Kram's above paragraph.

I'm DYING for the adult conservatives in America to show us their solutions. And the last election cycle told you just how bad things have gotten in your party---you literally didn't have a platform. Terrifying, if you actually believe in your conservative values.

Yep, you can hang on to power on by fixing elections and restricting voting.....but to what end? Trump made all the above economic problems worse, not better.

[MDlaxfan76]

Slightly.
I think American workers as a whole are tired of being crapped on and unappreciated.
Long hours, too many work days, long commutes, low wages, bad tips, jerk bosses, rude customers.
Americans realized they are happier working less and spending time doing things they didn't before- working on their houses, gardens, spending time with their kids, etc etc.
Add into it soaring inflation, and the cost of doing business in America has gone up.
People aren't taking those or any jobs for their pre-covid going rates. Peopel want higher salaries, better benefits, more work from home options and they can get it.
Business owners are on notice.

Many economists point to the same thing happening after WWII. The global zeitgeist has changed completely.

The above, gentlemen.....will push many, many Americans toward Bernie and AOC. Europe as the model.

Your team still needs to come up with an answer for the above people.

For 40 years? Your team's answer was:

-shut up and work harder. Get two and three jobs, and don't complain
-free education and training is insane, shut up and pay for it
-free health care is insane, shut up and pay your ridiculous deductible
-get the .gov out of the way, and your life will improve
-trickle down economics
-unions are bad
-give tax cuts to the 1% and corporations because.....we say so
-socialism is bad, let the corporations rule the roost

You need a new path. And you still don't have one. All you have now is conspiracy theories, guns, the election was fake, and other nonsense that has nothing to do with Kram's above paragraph.

I'm DYING for the adult conservatives in America to show us their solutions. And the last election cycle told you just how bad things have gotten in your party---you literally didn't have a platform. Terrifying, if you actually believe in your conservative values.

Yep, you can hang on to power on by fixing elections and restricting voting.....but to what end? Trump made all the above economic problems worse, not better.

I'd offer up my answer on a couple of policy issues above, responding to the same post, as an alternative "conservative" path to some of these issues. I realize that my right wing fellow posters don't recognize me as a "conservative" in today's parlance, but I'd suggest that being "pro-family" and "pro-work" and "pro-business" are all quite possible to be under a 'conservative' ideological umbrella.

I could do the same on a number of other such issues as well.

[a fan]

but I'd suggest that being "pro-family" and "pro-work" and "pro-business" are all quite possible to be under a 'conservative' ideological umbrella.

Sure, but how does that translate into policy? Because Dems and the left will tell you they're pro-family, pro-business, and pro-work.

You have to use a finer brush and explain what you mean.

[dislaxxic]

Slightly.
I think American workers as a whole are tired of being crapped on and unappreciated.
Long hours, too many work days, long commutes, low wages, bad tips, jerk bosses, rude customers.
Americans realized they are happier working less and spending time doing things they didn't before- working on their houses, gardens, spending time with their kids, etc etc.
Add into it soaring inflation, and the cost of doing business in America has gone up.
People aren't taking those or any jobs for their pre-covid going rates. Peopel want higher salaries, better benefits, more work from home options and they can get it.
Business owners are on notice.

Many economists point to the same thing happening after WWII. The global zeitgeist has changed completely.

The above, gentlemen.....will push many, many Americans toward Bernie and AOC. Europe as the model.

Your team still needs to come up with an answer for the above people.

For 40 years? Your team's answer was:

-shut up and work harder. Get two and three jobs, and don't complain
-free education and training is insane, shut up and pay for it
-free health care is insane, shut up and pay your ridiculous deductible
-get the .gov out of the way, and your life will improve
-trickle down economics
-unions are bad
-give tax cuts to the 1% and corporations because.....we say so
-socialism is bad, let the corporations rule the roost

You need a new path. And you still don't have one. All you have now is conspiracy theories, guns, the election was fake, and other nonsense that has nothing to do with Kram's above paragraph.

I'm DYING for the adult conservatives in America to show us their solutions. And the last election cycle told you just how bad things have gotten in your party---you literally didn't have a platform. Terrifying, if you actually believe in your conservative values.

Yep, you can hang on to power on by fixing elections and restricting voting.....but to what end? Trump made all the above economic problems worse, not better.

VERY well said, AF. MY question, coming out of reading Kram's post included above is (short version): How, exactly, has Donald Forkin' Trump or ANY other republican in the last 10-20 years proposed (much less enacted) ONE SINGLE PIECE OF POLICY OR LEGISLATION that would accomplish the things he (kram) rightly points out as flaws in our system...???

..

[MDlaxfan76]

but I'd suggest that being "pro-family" and "pro-work" and "pro-business" are all quite possible to be under a 'conservative' ideological umbrella.

Sure, but how does that translate into policy? Because Dems and the left will tell you they're pro-family, pro-business, and pro-work.

You have to use a finer brush and explain what you mean.

This is what I'd written in response.

On the latter, I'm for much more, yes, legal immigration...but a whole lot more.
Way easier asylum process, practically no caps, and a special visa for those with high skills, education, etc.

To become a citizen, need to behave well, pay taxes, stay out of serious trouble (minor vices and mistakes not a big deal), and get some education, civics and language...a process that takes some serious, concerted effort.

And that goes for those already here illegally, timing penalty for those who don't register to become citizens before a date certain but never impossible to earn your way into citizenship. Unless violent criminal.

That's a far more aggressive policy than most suggest but I think we should look at this as a competitive advantage in today's world and that of the future. We need young, eager workers of all sorts, given the low birth rates, and there's going to be continuing migration pressure unless the lesser developed world gets its act together better and becomes safer and more desirable as well.

Doing this will better position us to continue to be a dynamic, innovation hub in the world, well positioned to compete against the human capital scale advantages of competitors like China and India etc.

On the former part, I think we tend to be unaware how hard workers are driving in other parts of the world (excluding Europe). I'd mentioned that China recently outlawed it's 9-9-6 standard workweek expectation...that's 9AM to 9PM, 6 days a week...now they can only do it 5 days...compared to our 9-5, 5 past standard expectation...China wants its middle class staying home a bit more in the hopes of more procreation...they have a serious problem with 'greying' of their pop and they eschew immigration...

Which doesn't mean that I disagree with you on many American workers being tired of being crapped on, etc, etc.

But we also have some really tough friction points that are particularly impacting women. The child care issue is really, really bad right now. Even if willing to pay an arm and a leg, tough to find a slot that's remotely convenient. And the tradeoff just isn't worth it.

That's not an exhaustive response to you, but directionally I'm saying that we can definitely imagine a 'conservative' approach to addressing these sorts of issues, consistent with some old-school Republican values, think Ike, Nelson Rockefeller, Nixon, Jack Kemp, H.W., even the "compassionate conservatism" W wanted to do going in...

[old salt]

I'm for much more, yes, legal immigration...but a whole lot more.
Way easier asylum process, practically no caps, and a special visa for those with high skills, education, etc.

To become a citizen, need to behave well, pay taxes, stay out of serious trouble (minor vices and mistakes not a big deal), and get some education, civics and language...a process that takes some serious, concerted effort.

And that goes for those already here illegally, timing penalty for those who don't register to become citizens before a date certain but never impossible to earn your way into citizenship. Unless violent criminal.

That's a far more aggressive policy than most suggest but I think we should look at this as a competitive advantage in today's world and that of the future. We need young, eager workers of all sorts, given the low birth rates, and there's going to be continuing migration pressure unless the lesser developed world gets its act together better and becomes safer and more desirable as well.

Doing this will better position us to continue to be a dynamic, innovation hub in the world, well positioned to compete against the human capital scale advantages of competitors like China and India etc.

Which doesn't mean that I disagree with you on many American workers being tired of being crapped on, etc, etc.

But we also have some really tough friction points that are particularly impacting women. The child care issue is really, really bad right now. Even if willing to pay an arm and a leg, tough to find a slot that's remotely convenient. And the tradeoff just isn't worth it.

That's pretty much what I proposed when we used to discuss comp immigration reform.

The human infrastructure bill's gov funded child care solution would reportedly require unionized child care providers with 4 yr degrees (with gov paid off student loans). ....what could go wrong ? How many new immigrant women could babysit for new immigrant workers' kids in their neighborhood ?

[MDlaxfan76]

I'm for much more, yes, legal immigration...but a whole lot more.
Way easier asylum process, practically no caps, and a special visa for those with high skills, education, etc.

To become a citizen, need to behave well, pay taxes, stay out of serious trouble (minor vices and mistakes not a big deal), and get some education, civics and language...a process that takes some serious, concerted effort.

And that goes for those already here illegally, timing penalty for those who don't register to become citizens before a date certain but never impossible to earn your way into citizenship. Unless violent criminal.

That's a far more aggressive policy than most suggest but I think we should look at this as a competitive advantage in today's world and that of the future. We need young, eager workers of all sorts, given the low birth rates, and there's going to be continuing migration pressure unless the lesser developed world gets its act together better and becomes safer and more desirable as well.

Doing this will better position us to continue to be a dynamic, innovation hub in the world, well positioned to compete against the human capital scale advantages of competitors like China and India etc.

Which doesn't mean that I disagree with you on many American workers being tired of being crapped on, etc, etc.

But we also have some really tough friction points that are particularly impacting women. The child care issue is really, really bad right now. Even if willing to pay an arm and a leg, tough to find a slot that's remotely convenient. And the tradeoff just isn't worth it.

That's pretty much what I proposed when we used to discuss comp immigration reform.

The human infrastructure bill's gov funded child care solution would reportedly require unionized child care providers with 4 yr degrees (with gov paid off student loans). ....what could go wrong ?

For a fan, I'd also do E-Verify on the immigration side. But let folks get registered to be there, regardless of how they got here. But make black market labor much harder.

On the current reconciliation bill, not sure we know exactly what the language is, do we? I haven't read it, and I'm pretty sure they're working through such still.

I don't have a big issue with unionized labor, per se, and I don't quibble with the need to actually know what you're doing and why in pre-K education (it's critical!) but I surely would not agree that one needs a 4 year degree for basic child care, baby care, etc, though obviously some training is important. I'd rather see that there be some requirements on the management staff and their training processes than on the workers' educational level for that stage of care.

Don't over-regulate this, but some regulation oversight is of course important...especially if we're spending taxpayer money...let's at least have some process of quality assurance.

I don't see paying immigrant women to 'babysit' other immigrant women's children, unregulated, as a proper usage of taxpayer dollars...get trained and 'certified', set up a business, and hire and manage. Those workers can then do the same. American dream stuff.

Spend some bucks on that education and certification process.

[old salt]

But we also have some really tough friction points that are particularly impacting women. The child care issue is really, really bad right now. Even if willing to pay an arm and a leg, tough to find a slot that's remotely convenient. And the tradeoff just isn't worth it.

The human infrastructure bill's gov funded child care solution would reportedly require unionized child care providers with 4 yr degrees (with gov paid off student loans). ....what could go wrong ?

On the current reconciliation bill, not sure we know exactly what the language is, do we? I haven't read it, and I'm pretty sure they're working through such still.

I don't have a big issue with unionized labor, per se, and I don't quibble with the need to actually know what you're doing and why in pre-K education (it's critical!) but I surely would not agree that one needs a 4 year degree for basic child care, baby care, etc, though obviously some training is important. I'd rather see that there be some requirements on the management staff and their training processes than on the workers' educational level for that stage of care.

Don't over-regulate this, but some regulation oversight is of course important...especially if we're spending taxpayer money...let's at least have some process of quality assurance.

I don't see paying immigrant women to 'babysit' other immigrant women's children, unregulated, as a proper usage of taxpayer dollars...get trained and 'certified', set up a business, and hire and manage. Those workers can then do the same. American dream stuff.

Spend some bucks on that education and certification process.

This makes over-regulation inevitable by federalizing child care.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... -bill/1911
Child Care is Infrastructure Act

This bill establishes grants for child care facilities and higher education loan repayment and scholarship programs for child care educators, among other provisions.

The Administration for Children and Families must conduct long- and short-term assessments of child care infrastructure, including the effect of the COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) pandemic on such facilities. The bill provides grants to (1) states to acquire, construct, or improve child care facilities; and (2) intermediary organizations with demonstrated experience in child care facilities financing to develop or finance child care facilities.

The bill further provides for education loan repayments of up to $6,000 per year for up to five years for early childhood educators who agree to work for certain child care providers. Additionally, the bill establishes a program for institutions of higher education to award grants of up to $3,000 per academic year to individuals who are enrolled in early childhood educator programs and agree to serve in a state-licensed early learning program.

Finally, the bill modifies and reauthorizes through FY2027 supports for campus-based child care for low-income parents enrolled in institutions of higher education and requires the Department of Housing and Urban Development to consider early learning facilities in planning and implementation grants under the Choice Neighborhoods Initiative.

Pre-k gov funded & standardized woke training institutions

[cradleandshoot]

Slightly.
I think American workers as a whole are tired of being crapped on and unappreciated.
Long hours, too many work days, long commutes, low wages, bad tips, jerk bosses, rude customers.
Americans realized they are happier working less and spending time doing things they didn't before- working on their houses, gardens, spending time with their kids, etc etc.
Add into it soaring inflation, and the cost of doing business in America has gone up.
People aren't taking those or any jobs for their pre-covid going rates. Peopel want higher salaries, better benefits, more work from home options and they can get it.
Business owners are on notice.

Many economists point to the same thing happening after WWII. The global zeitgeist has changed completely.

The above, gentlemen.....will push many, many Americans toward Bernie and AOC. Europe as the model.

Your team still needs to come up with an answer for the above people.

For 40 years? Your team's answer was:

-shut up and work harder. Get two and three jobs, and don't complain
-free education and training is insane, shut up and pay for it
-free health care is insane, shut up and pay your ridiculous deductible
-get the .gov out of the way, and your life will improve
-trickle down economics
-unions are bad
-give tax cuts to the 1% and corporations because.....we say so
-socialism is bad, let the corporations rule the roost

You need a new path. And you still don't have one. All you have now is conspiracy theories, guns, the election was fake, and other nonsense that has nothing to do with Kram's above paragraph.

I'm DYING for the adult conservatives in America to show us their solutions. And the last election cycle told you just how bad things have gotten in your party---you literally didn't have a platform. Terrifying, if you actually believe in your conservative values.

Yep, you can hang on to power on by fixing elections and restricting voting.....but to what end? Trump made all the above economic problems worse, not better.

I thought Bernie's gig was always work less and make the government ( taxpayers) pay more? Didn't Bernie stumble his way into being a multimillionaire by espousing that philosophy?

[a fan]

This makes over-regulation inevitable by federalizing child care.

Yep. Gotta better solution?

Pre-k gov funded & standardized woke training institutions

And the R's (and most D's, currently) alternative "solution" is : F you and your family. Tell mom to get a second job.

How's that working out?

[a fan]

I thought Bernie's gig was always work less and make the government ( taxpayers) pay more?

No. His gig was for the multinationals and 1%ers to pay their share.

We've been over this many times. If we had simply stuck with the taxation rates of the 1970's.....and in your case....NYDems didn't hand out all their State tax breaks to corporations over the last 30 years? Your taxes would be lower than mine-----and NY Infrastructure would the best in America.

Bernie is on to the BS that my little distillery is paying the taxes for Amazon et. al. So is AOC, to her credit. The rest of the Republican? Meh, not so much.

The ONLY bad part about Bernie in terms of taxation, is that he hasn't told voters that "you might personally pay a little more" to get things like .gov paid health care and college....but your expenses AS A WHOLE will go down. So Bernie isn't being completely straight...or at least I haven't heard him explain this fully.

[youthathletics]

.....just wait until child care cost go thru the effing roof. Trigger set, fired......now here we come to save you. Dems playbook 101. Create a problem where there is none and we already have the fix....cha-ching.

[runrussellrun]

This makes over-regulation inevitable by federalizing child care.

Yep. Gotta better solution?

Pre-k gov funded & standardized woke training institutions

And the R's (and most D's, currently) alternative "solution" is : F you and your family. Tell mom to get a second job.

How's that working out? TAATS buying up more stuff

if most R's and most D's abide by your F U mentality.....doesn't that make them all the same ?

Maybe MORE members of Congress, would break this same ole same ole cycle....ya know....like the US Constitutions sayz. Yet, no one cares about this issue. Pretty much the same that voted for.....

Yeah......more money thrown at schools What a GREAT solution.....for the graters of the mind.....geez.

specifics.....

[runrussellrun]

.....just wait until child care cost go thru the effing roof. Trigger set, fired......now here we come to save you. Dems playbook 101. Create a problem where there is none and we already have the fix....cha-ching.

....and than "privatize" it. Those for profit bizness are gone bye bye.....right ? Those publically traded private prisons, paid via tax dollars.

[old salt]

This makes over-regulation inevitable by federalizing child care.

Yep. Gotta better solution?

Pre-k gov funded & standardized woke training institutions

And the R's (and most D's, currently) alternative "solution" is : F you and your family. Tell mom to get a second job.

How's that working out?

[a fan]

.....just wait until child care cost go thru the effing roof.

They're already through the roof. That's the problem.

I take it you don't have a solution, either?

You get the problem here, yes? If you don't have a single solution to issues faced by the majority of Americans....they're gonna voter for the people that do.

Sitting on your hands and doing nothing isn't going to work for your team much longer.

[youthathletics]

.....just wait until child care cost go thru the effing roof.

They're already through the roof. That's the problem.

I take it you don't have a solution, either?

You parsed my earlier post, the part where the democrooks new problem was created....for no damned reason. But since you asked.....
Yup.....stay at home with your damned child(ren) until you no longer need to do so....that was easy. Sell the damned tahoe, stop buying the new iphone every year, eating out for lunch and dinner all the damned time, getting your hair and nails done every 8 weeks, and raise your own damned child. You can always go back to work....you only get one shot at your child.

[a fan]

But since you asked.....
Yup.....stay at home with your damned child(ren) until you no longer need to do so....that was easy. Sell the damned tahoe, stop buying the new iphone every year, eating out for lunch and dinner all the damned time, getting your hair and nails done every 8 weeks, and raise your own damned child. You can always go back to work....you only get one shot at your child.

That's a great solution for my coastal liberal elite friends, who have done precisely that. You're right. They're all set. Oh, and they have their kids in their 40's, when money is stashed away. So if there's an emergency, they're not F'ed.

Now...what about the bottom 50% earners in the US? What do they do?

[MDlaxfan76]

But we also have some really tough friction points that are particularly impacting women. The child care issue is really, really bad right now. Even if willing to pay an arm and a leg, tough to find a slot that's remotely convenient. And the tradeoff just isn't worth it.

The human infrastructure bill's gov funded child care solution would reportedly require unionized child care providers with 4 yr degrees (with gov paid off student loans). ....what could go wrong ?

On the current reconciliation bill, not sure we know exactly what the language is, do we? I haven't read it, and I'm pretty sure they're working through such still.

I don't have a big issue with unionized labor, per se, and I don't quibble with the need to actually know what you're doing and why in pre-K education (it's critical!) but I surely would not agree that one needs a 4 year degree for basic child care, baby care, etc, though obviously some training is important. I'd rather see that there be some requirements on the management staff and their training processes than on the workers' educational level for that stage of care.

Don't over-regulate this, but some regulation oversight is of course important...especially if we're spending taxpayer money...let's at least have some process of quality assurance.

I don't see paying immigrant women to 'babysit' other immigrant women's children, unregulated, as a proper usage of taxpayer dollars...get trained and 'certified', set up a business, and hire and manage. Those workers can then do the same. American dream stuff.

Spend some bucks on that education and certification process.

This makes over-regulation inevitable by federalizing child care.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... -bill/1911
Child Care is Infrastructure Act

This bill establishes grants for child care facilities and higher education loan repayment and scholarship programs for child care educators, among other provisions.

The Administration for Children and Families must conduct long- and short-term assessments of child care infrastructure, including the effect of the COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) pandemic on such facilities. The bill provides grants to (1) states to acquire, construct, or improve child care facilities; and (2) intermediary organizations with demonstrated experience in child care facilities financing to develop or finance child care facilities.

The bill further provides for education loan repayments of up to $6,000 per year for up to five years for early childhood educators who agree to work for certain child care providers. Additionally, the bill establishes a program for institutions of higher education to award grants of up to $3,000 per academic year to individuals who are enrolled in early childhood educator programs and agree to serve in a state-licensed early learning program.

Finally, the bill modifies and reauthorizes through FY2027 supports for campus-based child care for low-income parents enrolled in institutions of higher education and requires the Department of Housing and Urban Development to consider early learning facilities in planning and implementation grants under the Choice Neighborhoods Initiative.

Pre-k gov funded & standardized woke training institutions

ok, but none of that requires that educational level, it just pays for a whole bunch of folks to get actually educated in early childhood education.

That's a good thing, no?

Apparently, the early childhood stuff may be our biggest lever to lifetime achievement...kinda want to professionalize that right?

We ain't talking baby sitting.

Where's the over regulation?

[MDlaxfan76]

But since you asked.....
Yup.....stay at home with your damned child(ren) until you no longer need to do so....that was easy. Sell the damned tahoe, stop buying the new iphone every year, eating out for lunch and dinner all the damned time, getting your hair and nails done every 8 weeks, and raise your own damned child. You can always go back to work....you only get one shot at your child.

That's a great solution for my coastal liberal elite friends, who have done precisely that. You're right. They're all set. Oh, and they have their kids in their 40's, when money is stashed away. So if there's an emergency, they're not F'ed.

Now...what about the bottom 50% earners in the US? What do they do?

loved the "democrooks"...sheesh, can't we discuss an issue without the partisan BS?

Seriously, this needn't be a left/right issue at it's core...focus on the how to do it well if you're a conservative, but it's important to making our economy work more efficiently, it ain't just a hand-out.