Is America a racist nation?

[runrussellrun]

What IS it with Boreball..? first..........got lozers like Ty Cobb........all the way to Roger Clemmens


why so many racists along YAWKEY way.

what a lozer sport....racist baseball. Where are the FANS....

[kramerica.inc]

Tough to “resign” and leave $60M+ on the table.

Again, the reactionary, fake, NFL knew about this for years. These emails have been floating around for a whole decade. And they were sent to owners and nfl execs. But they didn’t act until the NYT reported about it.

They don’t care about concussions and player safety. They dont care about BLM. They dont care about veterans. They don’t care about breast cancer. They don’t care about racist emails.

It’s all bs. They only care about perception. And this proves it. Once again.

PS- Lamar Jackson puts himself into the MVP lead with 500+ yards of individual offense in an OT win over the Colts.

You're surprised that a bunch of rich old white dudes who run the league and the teams don't actually care about the players and the players' causes?

FTR, Terry Pegula owns the Buffalo Bills. His wife Kim Pegula runs the Buffalo Bills. They are her team lock, stock and barrel. She is a woman born in South Korea. You may need to rethink and adjust your inbred racist stereotype.https://www.nfl.com/news/next-woman-up- ... falo-bills

He also owns a bunch of consumer subprime loan receivables he folded into Buffalo based BDC Rand Capital (I tried buying RAND a few years back with the stake owned by a family office Newt gingrich is involved with, it's a mess).

And don't forget about car bumper tycoon, Shad Kahn.

[kramerica.inc]

Interesting read/perspective on the NFL and Gruden and the WFT investigation.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... en-emails/

[Kismet]

Interesting read/perspective on the NFL and Gruden and the WFT investigation.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... en-emails/

Yep. 650,000 is a LOT of emails and Bruce Allen and his pals in Danny Snyder's funhouse should be worried. Maybe this finally gets Snyder to sell out which is something the league has wanted for YEARS.

Not so sure, the league is the source of the leaks, though....but , then again, you never know.

[Farfromgeneva]

Tough to “resign” and leave $60M+ on the table.

Again, the reactionary, fake, NFL knew about this for years. These emails have been floating around for a whole decade. And they were sent to owners and nfl execs. But they didn’t act until the NYT reported about it.

They don’t care about concussions and player safety. They dont care about BLM. They dont care about veterans. They don’t care about breast cancer. They don’t care about racist emails.

It’s all bs. They only care about perception. And this proves it. Once again.

PS- Lamar Jackson puts himself into the MVP lead with 500+ yards of individual offense in an OT win over the Colts.

You're surprised that a bunch of rich old white dudes who run the league and the teams don't actually care about the players and the players' causes?

FTR, Terry Pegula owns the Buffalo Bills. His wife Kim Pegula runs the Buffalo Bills. They are her team lock, stock and barrel. She is a woman born in South Korea. You may need to rethink and adjust your inbred racist stereotype.https://www.nfl.com/news/next-woman-up- ... falo-bills

He also owns a bunch of consumer subprime loan receivables he folded into Buffalo based BDC Rand Capital (I tried buying RAND a few years back with the stake owned by a family office Newt gingrich is involved with, it's a mess).

And don't forget about car bumper tycoon, Shad Kahn.

Still an improvement over guys like Jerry Richardson, the DiBartolos & Al Davis.

The Rooneys remain the Gold Standard IMO.

[kramerica.inc]

More good questions...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ft-emails/

[seacoaster]

More good questions...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ft-emails/

The comments are interesting.

[SCLaxAttack]

Does anyone else find irony in the standards we expect from football coaches and the transparency we want from football teams compared to, say, our elected leaders and governments?

[Kismet]

More good questions...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ft-emails/

The comments are interesting.

Yep. Gruden was not having a conversation with himself via email. NFL should release ALL of the emails/conversations and ALL those people should have to explain their actions just like Gruden.

The supreme irony is that Gruden's media persona cultivated for years on MNF was that he could always "tell it like it is" which ultimately got him the $100 million contract. He sure did.

[Farfromgeneva]

The NFL has had a better set of years than our govt...(stealing from an old Babe Ruth quote)

[seacoaster]

Does anyone else find irony in the standards we expect from football coaches and the transparency we want from football teams compared to, say, our elected leaders and governments?

I'm not sure I would say "irony," but I sure get your point.

[old salt]

Is anyone surprised? AND you can’t call the NFL commish and the president of the US a “nervous clueless pu55y” without consequences.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... y.amp.html

Jon be out of a job! Maybe he can go on Oprah and Ellen…

John rich. He be alright.

Makes him eligible to work at FOX, doesn’t it? He thrives on attention.

+1

Breaking -- new gig for Gruden. He'll open for Chappelle.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is anyone surprised? AND you can’t call the NFL commish and the president of the US a “nervous clueless pu55y” without consequences.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... y.amp.html

Jon be out of a job! Maybe he can go on Oprah and Ellen…

John rich. He be alright.

Makes him eligible to work at FOX, doesn’t it? He thrives on attention.

+1

Breaking -- new gig for Gruden. He'll open for Chappelle.

Breaking…..they will star in the remake of Silver Streak.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is anyone surprised? AND you can’t call the NFL commish and the president of the US a “nervous clueless pu55y” without consequences.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... y.amp.html

Jon be out of a job! Maybe he can go on Oprah and Ellen…

John rich. He be alright.

Makes him eligible to work at FOX, doesn’t it? He thrives on attention.

+1

Breaking -- new gig for Gruden. He'll open for Chappelle.

An even better gig for Gruden and Chappelle!

[old salt]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dave- ... uxbndlbing

Dave Chappelle makes some observations that should not be just brushed off.

What do you believe his observation is?

I don't need to explain it. Mr Chappelle said it himself. Listen and judge for yourself. IMO he believes the LGBTQ community is light years ahead of black Americans on the road to being accepted. Mr Chappelle made an observation about the rapper I believed to be nothing short of brilliant. You can shoot a n****r dead and no one cares. You criticize the LGBTQ community and you quickly become a social outcast.

That’s your take? If you are black and fall into a LGBTQ classification you good?

My "take" is irrelevant. The issue is about what Dave Chappelle thinks about the issue. He made his own observations which you had no opinion on. I believe you are a fan of Mr Chappelle. What is YOUR opinion of what he said? Were you offended? Is Mr Chappelle a homophobe?

I am not offended and Dave isn’t a homophobe. I just wanted to see your understanding. Like I said, it’s probably something I have heard 100 time for groups beyond just the LGBTQ classification. Ask your friend that liked Sheriff Clarke.

My understanding was Mr Chappelle was pointing out the preferential treatment given to the LGBTQ community ignoring centuries of inequities suffered by black Americans. I actually like Sheriff Clarke. He wore one bad ass uniform. He also, judging by the FLP folks on this forum was the wrong shade of black.

Thanks for clarifying your understanding. All the best.

Thoughtful analysis of Chappelle's latest from behind the NR+ paywall :

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/ ... ransphobe/

Dave Chappelle Is Not a Transphobe

Dave Chappelle holds a distinction nearly unique among comics: Whenever he drops a special, it’s news. His latest Netflix offering, The Closer, immediately got him accused of “pointless transphobia and homophobia” (The Daily Beast), “Betrayal” (GQ) and “anti-LGBTQ diatribes” (GLAAD).

The Closer is not one of Chappelle’s best efforts — he has done nine of these specials, including six for Netflix, and the new one is probably the least effective among them — but in its compassion it’s the opposite of transphobic. Chappelle exhibits a lot of humanity, a lot of humility, and a lot of self-questioning as he does his best to grapple with the question of how to be respectful of transgendered people while acknowledging that in comedy, nothing should be ruled off-limits, particularly if your brand of standup is saying the unsayable. Chappelle insists on the right to continue to tell the truth as he sees it, but he isn’t interested in antagonism for its own sake. What he’s doing isn’t trolling. He genuinely doesn’t want to hurt people. He goes out of his way to clarify how important he thinks it is to be sensitive to trans folks. Saying there can be humor in transgenderism is just saying, “Welcome to humanity. Everybody’s funny.”

The centerpiece of Chappelle’s special is a long reminiscence, not really a comedy bit, about a trans performer he knew named Daphne. “Knew,” past tense, because Daphne committed suicide in October 2019. Daphne Dorman was a male-to-female standup comic whose family is defending Chappelle. Nothing in The Closer would have bothered Daphne, two family members have said.

“Daphne was in awe of Dave’s graciousness,” Dorman’s sister Becky wrote in a text to The Daily Beast. “She did not find his jokes rude, crude, off-coloring, off-putting, anything. She thought his jokes were funny. Daphne understood humor and comedy — she was not offended. Why would her family be offended?”

After Chappelle mentioned Daphne in a previous Netflix special, Dorman bragged about it on social media. Another sister, Brandy, said in a Facebook post that Chappelle “loved my sister and felt empathy towards her human experience and, yes, he makes terrible jokes that are also funny. News flash, our whole family does that. Our funerals are laughter through tears, we mourn by remembering the times we laughed together, and yes, some inappropriate humor, too. . . . As often as Dave stands up for Daphne, we will be there for Dave. This man is our tribe, and we mourn alongside him.”

Chappelle noted in that previous special, Sticks & Stones, that Daphne had laughed especially hard at the jokes he did about gender.

Becky told The Daily Beast that it’s completely wrong to blame Chappelle for the suicide. “No one knows what life was like for my siblings and I. We are products of how we were brought [up]. Dave was the biggest bright spot for Daphne; she was enamored for the first time. Blaming Dave is beyond the wrong thing to do. He helped her and let her be comfortable while talking with him. She had many demons; Dave Chappelle was NOT one of them.”

Since Chappelle is evidently full of fondness for Daphne, stamping him as a hater requires ignoring the tenor of his remarks and focusing very narrowly on just one contention, which boils down to six words: “Gender is a fact,” Chappelle stated. And he said he was on “team TERF,” meaning he agreed with J. K. Rowling that male and female are defined biological categories. (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist, a term coined by the trans movement to insult and marginalize popularly held views, followed the path of “Tory” and “Impressionist” in becoming embraced by those it was meant to denigrate.)

The trans movement would have us believe that referring to the intransigence of DNA amounts to hate speech. That’s not only wrong, it’s self-defeating. If the trans movement wants to be accepted, it should stop insisting that others must sign on to its revolutionary biology, built around the insistence that men can give birth.

“Gender is a fact” would not have been a controversial statement 20 years ago, and only a small minority would disagree with that statement even today. If saying “Gender is a fact” makes you transphobic, no matter how respectful you may be of the feelings of trans people, no matter how gracious you may be to trans people, no matter if you have (as Chappelle has) set up a trust fund for the daughter of a trans person (Daphne), then the trans movement is insisting on ruling out of bounds the views of most people. When you declare most people out of bounds, though, you’re really just marking your own position as extreme. That isn’t the path to acceptance, and the angry calls by trans activists for Chappelle’s special to be yanked strike most people as far more troubling than anything Chappelle has ever said. Whatever happened to “agree to disagree”? Chappelle is telling trans folks, “I respect you, but I disagree with you.” Trans individuals and their allies reply that disagreement is itself disrespect, and not only is it disrespect, it’s hateful and beyond the pale. It must be punished. Chappelle is one of the finest practitioners of his art in America. Shutting him down can’t be the answer to the question of how trans people can gain respect.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dave- ... uxbndlbing

Dave Chappelle makes some observations that should not be just brushed off.

What do you believe his observation is?

I don't need to explain it. Mr Chappelle said it himself. Listen and judge for yourself. IMO he believes the LGBTQ community is light years ahead of black Americans on the road to being accepted. Mr Chappelle made an observation about the rapper I believed to be nothing short of brilliant. You can shoot a n****r dead and no one cares. You criticize the LGBTQ community and you quickly become a social outcast.

That’s your take? If you are black and fall into a LGBTQ classification you good?

My "take" is irrelevant. The issue is about what Dave Chappelle thinks about the issue. He made his own observations which you had no opinion on. I believe you are a fan of Mr Chappelle. What is YOUR opinion of what he said? Were you offended? Is Mr Chappelle a homophobe?

I am not offended and Dave isn’t a homophobe. I just wanted to see your understanding. Like I said, it’s probably something I have heard 100 time for groups beyond just the LGBTQ classification. Ask your friend that liked Sheriff Clarke.

My understanding was Mr Chappelle was pointing out the preferential treatment given to the LGBTQ community ignoring centuries of inequities suffered by black Americans. I actually like Sheriff Clarke. He wore one bad ass uniform. He also, judging by the FLP folks on this forum was the wrong shade of black.

Thanks for clarifying your understanding. All the best.

Thoughtful analysis of Chappelle's latest from behind the NR+ paywall :

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/10/ ... ransphobe/

Dave Chappelle Is Not a Transphobe

Dave Chappelle holds a distinction nearly unique among comics: Whenever he drops a special, it’s news. His latest Netflix offering, The Closer, immediately got him accused of “pointless transphobia and homophobia” (The Daily Beast), “Betrayal” (GQ) and “anti-LGBTQ diatribes” (GLAAD).

The Closer is not one of Chappelle’s best efforts — he has done nine of these specials, including six for Netflix, and the new one is probably the least effective among them — but in its compassion it’s the opposite of transphobic. Chappelle exhibits a lot of humanity, a lot of humility, and a lot of self-questioning as he does his best to grapple with the question of how to be respectful of transgendered people while acknowledging that in comedy, nothing should be ruled off-limits, particularly if your brand of standup is saying the unsayable. Chappelle insists on the right to continue to tell the truth as he sees it, but he isn’t interested in antagonism for its own sake. What he’s doing isn’t trolling. He genuinely doesn’t want to hurt people. He goes out of his way to clarify how important he thinks it is to be sensitive to trans folks. Saying there can be humor in transgenderism is just saying, “Welcome to humanity. Everybody’s funny.”

The centerpiece of Chappelle’s special is a long reminiscence, not really a comedy bit, about a trans performer he knew named Daphne. “Knew,” past tense, because Daphne committed suicide in October 2019. Daphne Dorman was a male-to-female standup comic whose family is defending Chappelle. Nothing in The Closer would have bothered Daphne, two family members have said.

“Daphne was in awe of Dave’s graciousness,” Dorman’s sister Becky wrote in a text to The Daily Beast. “She did not find his jokes rude, crude, off-coloring, off-putting, anything. She thought his jokes were funny. Daphne understood humor and comedy — she was not offended. Why would her family be offended?”

After Chappelle mentioned Daphne in a previous Netflix special, Dorman bragged about it on social media. Another sister, Brandy, said in a Facebook post that Chappelle “loved my sister and felt empathy towards her human experience and, yes, he makes terrible jokes that are also funny. News flash, our whole family does that. Our funerals are laughter through tears, we mourn by remembering the times we laughed together, and yes, some inappropriate humor, too. . . . As often as Dave stands up for Daphne, we will be there for Dave. This man is our tribe, and we mourn alongside him.”

Chappelle noted in that previous special, Sticks & Stones, that Daphne had laughed especially hard at the jokes he did about gender.

Becky told The Daily Beast that it’s completely wrong to blame Chappelle for the suicide. “No one knows what life was like for my siblings and I. We are products of how we were brought [up]. Dave was the biggest bright spot for Daphne; she was enamored for the first time. Blaming Dave is beyond the wrong thing to do. He helped her and let her be comfortable while talking with him. She had many demons; Dave Chappelle was NOT one of them.”

Since Chappelle is evidently full of fondness for Daphne, stamping him as a hater requires ignoring the tenor of his remarks and focusing very narrowly on just one contention, which boils down to six words: “Gender is a fact,” Chappelle stated. And he said he was on “team TERF,” meaning he agreed with J. K. Rowling that male and female are defined biological categories. (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist, a term coined by the trans movement to insult and marginalize popularly held views, followed the path of “Tory” and “Impressionist” in becoming embraced by those it was meant to denigrate.)

The trans movement would have us believe that referring to the intransigence of DNA amounts to hate speech. That’s not only wrong, it’s self-defeating. If the trans movement wants to be accepted, it should stop insisting that others must sign on to its revolutionary biology, built around the insistence that men can give birth.

“Gender is a fact” would not have been a controversial statement 20 years ago, and only a small minority would disagree with that statement even today. If saying “Gender is a fact” makes you transphobic, no matter how respectful you may be of the feelings of trans people, no matter how gracious you may be to trans people, no matter if you have (as Chappelle has) set up a trust fund for the daughter of a trans person (Daphne), then the trans movement is insisting on ruling out of bounds the views of most people. When you declare most people out of bounds, though, you’re really just marking your own position as extreme. That isn’t the path to acceptance, and the angry calls by trans activists for Chappelle’s special to be yanked strike most people as far more troubling than anything Chappelle has ever said. Whatever happened to “agree to disagree”? Chappelle is telling trans folks, “I respect you, but I disagree with you.” Trans individuals and their allies reply that disagreement is itself disrespect, and not only is it disrespect, it’s hateful and beyond the pale. It must be punished. Chappelle is one of the finest practitioners of his art in America. Shutting him down can’t be the answer to the question of how trans people can gain respect.

NPR!! Just ask your friend from the dog park.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[NattyBohChamps04]

Tough to “resign” and leave $60M+ on the table.

Again, the reactionary, fake, NFL knew about this for years. These emails have been floating around for a whole decade. And they were sent to owners and nfl execs. But they didn’t act until the NYT reported about it.

They don’t care about concussions and player safety. They dont care about BLM. They dont care about veterans. They don’t care about breast cancer. They don’t care about racist emails.

It’s all bs. They only care about perception. And this proves it. Once again.

PS- Lamar Jackson puts himself into the MVP lead with 500+ yards of individual offense in an OT win over the Colts.

You're surprised that a bunch of rich old white dudes who run the league and the teams don't actually care about the players and the players' causes?

No, I'm saying they don't care about the causes they SAY they care about.

That was exactly my point. A bunch of rich old white dudes don't actually care about they causes they pay lip service to in order to make some extra bucks off their hired help. They're in it for the $$$ and power, whatever gets them and keeps them there.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Tough to “resign” and leave $60M+ on the table.

Again, the reactionary, fake, NFL knew about this for years. These emails have been floating around for a whole decade. And they were sent to owners and nfl execs. But they didn’t act until the NYT reported about it.

They don’t care about concussions and player safety. They dont care about BLM. They dont care about veterans. They don’t care about breast cancer. They don’t care about racist emails.

It’s all bs. They only care about perception. And this proves it. Once again.

PS- Lamar Jackson puts himself into the MVP lead with 500+ yards of individual offense in an OT win over the Colts.

You're surprised that a bunch of rich old white dudes who run the league and the teams don't actually care about the players and the players' causes?

FTR, Terry Pegula owns the Buffalo Bills. His wife Kim Pegula runs the Buffalo Bills. They are her team lock, stock and barrel. She is a woman born in South Korea. You may need to rethink and adjust your inbred racist stereotype.https://www.nfl.com/news/next-woman-up- ... falo-bills

LMFAO, inbred racist stereotype??? I'm honestly hoping this is a joke / troll.

How many owners in the history of the NFL are or were rich white guys vs. anyone else? Feel free to include and exclude wives and daughters of rich white guys vs. the rest for more detail.

I'll wait....

"hey, there's one adopted Korean woman co-owner!!!! Whose co-owner husband (nearly 20 years older) is an old white billionaire. That negates every bad thing ever or currently happening" That's you bro. Own it.

[Farfromgeneva]

I like the evidence being a mail order bride. Throw in the Ravens thirsty wife of the owner there who was a cheerleader so she could get after the servants on the field.